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Horse towing

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Created by craggers > 9 months ago, 18 Jan 2011
craggers
WA, 475 posts
18 Jan 2011 1:17PM
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Good to see the tried and true attitude of experimentation which has produced virtually all of our beloved board/wind/snow/surf sports is alive and well.

i can only imagine the end goal is that elusive mythological aim of being towed along behind your loyal dolphin...



Pala
WA, 43 posts
18 Jan 2011 1:51PM
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Im going to buy a horse now

Ben De Jonge
WA, 819 posts
18 Jan 2011 2:34PM
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Now I've seen it all.

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
18 Jan 2011 7:05PM
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In the mane i wasn't impressed ,left me a little colt!

tobes
NSW, 1000 posts
18 Jan 2011 7:10PM
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Prawnhead said...

In the mane i wasn't impressed ,left me a little colt!


Neigh-sayer!

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jan 2011 8:07PM
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Why the long face?

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
18 Jan 2011 8:08PM
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shut the gate.....!

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
18 Jan 2011 9:14PM
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Too late ! The horse has bolted !

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
18 Jan 2011 9:33PM
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Now your really flogging a dead horse.

Morg
QLD, 129 posts
18 Jan 2011 8:39PM
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Does that count as 1hp?

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
18 Jan 2011 8:15PM
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Stop horsin' around...

Ever hear the joke about the deaf dwarf with a speech impediment who went to buy a horse...

craggers
WA, 475 posts
19 Jan 2011 6:59AM
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so........

something has been on the back of my mind for years, and never made sense.

i tried to 'skurf' behind a 12hp dinghy once upon a time. it didnt really work, not enough power.

i now see that just "one horse power" is required to tow a person on the plane. so i do realise that in my experiment all those years back there was more mass than just me and the surfboard... there was a tinpot dinghy, a skipper in the dinghy... ok a fuel can, a few beers... the motor itself... surely if we throw in one more horse power for the skipper chap, and another for the other stuff... no make it 2 damn it...

does it not stand to reason that you need no more than say 4 or 5 horsepower on a wee dinghy to get a chap on the plane (on a reasonably chunky surfboard mind you).

so when people tell me they have a boat and i say "woohoo, lets go wakeboarding!!" and they tell me that they only have a 20hp motor... whats that all about???

has the "horsepower" reference lost all relevance to the actual pull a real horse can produce???

i see boats with 200 horsepower. imagine a mob of 200 real live horses, and then imagine harnessing them up to a 20 foot boat.... surely they would tear the fkn thing apart???

or am i ignorant of the difference between 'real output' and 'torque' and 'equine flatulence'....???

anyone got a clue???

craggers
WA, 475 posts
19 Jan 2011 7:02AM
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and do tell... deaf horse, speechless dwarf... im just dying to know...

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
19 Jan 2011 7:53AM
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craggers said...

so........

something has been on the back of my mind for years, and never made sense.

i tried to 'skurf' behind a 12hp dinghy once upon a time. it didnt really work, not enough power.

i now see that just "one horse power" is required to tow a person on the plane. so i do realise that in my experiment all those years back there was more mass than just me and the surfboard... there was a tinpot dinghy, a skipper in the dinghy... ok a fuel can, a few beers... the motor itself... surely if we throw in one more horse power for the skipper chap, and another for the other stuff... no make it 2 damn it...

does it not stand to reason that you need no more than say 4 or 5 horsepower on a wee dinghy to get a chap on the plane (on a reasonably chunky surfboard mind you).

so when people tell me they have a boat and i say "woohoo, lets go wakeboarding!!" and they tell me that they only have a 20hp motor... whats that all about???

has the "horsepower" reference lost all relevance to the actual pull a real horse can produce???

i see boats with 200 horsepower. imagine a mob of 200 real live horses, and then imagine harnessing them up to a 20 foot boat.... surely they would tear the fkn thing apart???

or am i ignorant of the difference between 'real output' and 'torque' and 'equine flatulence'....???

anyone got a clue???


The engine may output 200hp at the end of the flywheel. Most of that goes into turbulance around the prop, and water friction on the hull so only a fraction goes into accellerating the boat forward. Thats why a 200hp car can go over 200kph where as a 200hp boat cant.

PS. I can wakeboard behing my 30hp zodiac. Although technically there is no wake, and it gets boring pretty quickly.

kitegirl21
NSW, 439 posts
19 Jan 2011 12:47PM
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did this in fiji while waiting for wind!
good fun, filled in the time in the least

tatkins
QLD, 344 posts
19 Jan 2011 12:30PM
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mattyjee said...

craggers said...

so........

something has been on the back of my mind for years, and never made sense.

i tried to 'skurf' behind a 12hp dinghy once upon a time. it didnt really work, not enough power.

i now see that just "one horse power" is required to tow a person on the plane. so i do realise that in my experiment all those years back there was more mass than just me and the surfboard... there was a tinpot dinghy, a skipper in the dinghy... ok a fuel can, a few beers... the motor itself... surely if we throw in one more horse power for the skipper chap, and another for the other stuff... no make it 2 damn it...

does it not stand to reason that you need no more than say 4 or 5 horsepower on a wee dinghy to get a chap on the plane (on a reasonably chunky surfboard mind you).

so when people tell me they have a boat and i say "woohoo, lets go wakeboarding!!" and they tell me that they only have a 20hp motor... whats that all about???

has the "horsepower" reference lost all relevance to the actual pull a real horse can produce???

i see boats with 200 horsepower. imagine a mob of 200 real live horses, and then imagine harnessing them up to a 20 foot boat.... surely they would tear the fkn thing apart???

or am i ignorant of the difference between 'real output' and 'torque' and 'equine flatulence'....???

anyone got a clue???


The engine may output 200hp at the end of the flywheel. Most of that goes into turbulance around the prop, and water friction on the hull so only a fraction goes into accellerating the boat forward. Thats why a 200hp car can go over 200kph where as a 200hp boat cant.

PS. I can wakeboard behing my 30hp zodiac. Although technically there is no wake, and it gets boring pretty quickly.


If 20 horses where swimming and towing you it maybe more comparable

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
19 Jan 2011 2:22PM
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mattyjee said...

craggers said...

so........

something has been on the back of my mind for years, and never made sense.

i tried to 'skurf' behind a 12hp dinghy once upon a time. it didnt really work, not enough power.

i now see that just "one horse power" is required to tow a person on the plane. so i do realise that in my experiment all those years back there was more mass than just me and the surfboard... there was a tinpot dinghy, a skipper in the dinghy... ok a fuel can, a few beers... the motor itself... surely if we throw in one more horse power for the skipper chap, and another for the other stuff... no make it 2 damn it...

does it not stand to reason that you need no more than say 4 or 5 horsepower on a wee dinghy to get a chap on the plane (on a reasonably chunky surfboard mind you).

so when people tell me they have a boat and i say "woohoo, lets go wakeboarding!!" and they tell me that they only have a 20hp motor... whats that all about???

has the "horsepower" reference lost all relevance to the actual pull a real horse can produce???

i see boats with 200 horsepower. imagine a mob of 200 real live horses, and then imagine harnessing them up to a 20 foot boat.... surely they would tear the fkn thing apart???

or am i ignorant of the difference between 'real output' and 'torque' and 'equine flatulence'....???

anyone got a clue???


The engine may output 200hp at the end of the flywheel. Most of that goes into turbulance around the prop, and water friction on the hull so only a fraction goes into accellerating the boat forward. Thats why a 200hp car can go over 200kph where as a 200hp boat cant.

PS. I can wakeboard behing my 30hp zodiac. Although technically there is no wake, and it gets boring pretty quickly.


Ahh quite true regarding the speed....But it is to do with gearing not friction, a car gas a gearbox a 200hp outboard does not ( fixed ratios )
However a 200hp boat will almost always out Accelerate a 200hp car.

Also there are plenty of 200hp boats that will nudge 200kmh

eg : this is 50hp and will ( depending on prop pitch ) do anywhere from 80-100kph




wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
19 Jan 2011 4:25PM
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Just for a bit of fun till the wind comes in

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
19 Jan 2011 6:17PM
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Perhaps the best, certainly the silliest thread I've had the pleasure of perusing in a while. I have nothing to contribute, just appreciation. I'm still chuckling as I write.

Oh Wilbur!

Prawnhead
NSW, 1317 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:13PM
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wdric said...

Just for a bit of fun till the wind comes in




horsesome..... a "bit" of Hors d'œuvre kiting?

supafly
12 posts
19 Jan 2011 9:05PM
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with respect to what comes first the boat or the horse.

What you really are talking about here is tractive effort or torque.

IE a large 3 trailer road train only makes about 600hp but spews out more torque than 30 old ladies and a new born. Where as a hyabusa with twin turbos can make 700hp but couldnt pull 1 trailer.

There isint as much loss in the water as you would think. The issue with boat props is effeciency. IE Cavitation. A prop in effect is a screw and with the exception of variable pitch requires a certian speed and load / drag co effecient to maintain that effeciency. Anything outside of its effeciency bell curve would have exponential retardation with respect to its ability to maintain tractive effeciency.

Flux
WA, 533 posts
19 Jan 2011 10:19PM
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craggers said...

Good to see the tried and true attitude of experimentation which has produced virtually all of our beloved board/wind/snow/surf sports is alive and well.

i can only imagine the end goal is that elusive mythological aim of being towed along behind your loyal dolphin...






Loved it ! Still laughing .........................Thankyou! haha!

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
20 Jan 2011 1:03AM
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dwarf with speech impediment..........nice mane mister, can i see her twat?



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