I always reckon you measure jump heights the same as wave heights.
Increments of Fear
Hmmm I happen to have a fully robotic tracking Total Station, Leica TS15, which will follow a target automatically. It locks onto the target and follows same and can automatically record data including heights, every second or so. Normally we use "survey" targets but it will measure to reflective tape. Our normal survey prism targets cost $100's therefore not willing to possibly sacrifice them.
Lambie, come on over for a test jump.
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Seems there is a 3D TRACKING SYSTEM that I know absolutely nothing about but Red Bull used for the inaugural "Red Bull Rockets" at Pozo Izquierdo, in Gran Canaria a year or so ago??
Hey - I'm with the company behind that technology. Its called the XensrCase now and yes, it will give you precise jump heights, and also 2D and 3D tracking and visualization of your jumps. Its does a whole lot more, but I just wanted to pop into the forum and say hi to everyone and let you know that, yes, you can track your jumps.
We'll be launching the website soon (xensr.com) and you'll be able to order yours. If you are a retailer, etc. please feel free to PM me for more info. You can also like our facebook page at epicsesh.
Here's some test video footage (with kiting) that I think you'll all find interesting.
Jumping stuff is a good way to measure height. The height if the item is known. If you clear it you have gone at least that high. If you hit it.... not so much.
Also it adds to the skill level and fear factor.
Its alot easier to jump things while riding on the land. Typically I jump streams, boulders, dogs, logs, sand castles, sunbathers... well maybe not sun bathers. ...
So the answer is to grab a landboard and try and jump things. You will soon discover if your timing is good. Your success or failure can directly be measured in a pain level a rating from 1-10 at the hospital or grin level on your face when explaining to your buddies at the pub your glorious triumph!..
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Completely separate from your kite at the apex of your jump, and freefall to the water.
Time it with a stopwatch
9.8m/s/s
There u have it.
Ah, the old 9.8m/s/s... that takes me back to my physics lessons... Thanks for trip down memory lane!
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
Completely separate from your kite at the apex of your jump, and freefall to the water.
Time it with a stopwatch
9.8m/s/s
There u have it.
Its not a jump until you can reach terminal velocity using this method.
Select to expand quoteSaltySinus said..Mark _australia said..
Completely separate from your kite at the apex of your jump, and freefall to the water.
Time it with a stopwatch
9.8m/s/s
There u have it.
Ah, the old 9.8m/s/s... that takes me back to my physics lessons... Thanks for trip down memory lane!
Joking aside, the scary part is that many expensive products use this "free fall" method in an attempt to give jump height. Using this method is literally impossible to give consistent heights, and is there is an off axis G (spin, etc) then the system will never "see" the jump. Also, if you take a look at the Xensr kite tests from my earlier post, you'll notice that the single shot jump, the rider kite loops on the descent to keep from splattering on the water - this is seen as a "landing" by systems like ***** and ********* but Xensr "sees" the whole jump as is.
We track the jump through our sensor fusion - we're taking input from five different sensors at over 400 samples per second to accurately track the actual 3D path of the rider (or wherever its mounted) and we identify jump events in realtime. As soon as you land, we know your height. It doesn't matter if its a flat surface jump in kiting, a drop in skiing or a tabletop jump in mountain bike. You can spin, flip, etc. as hard as you like (we track that as well) and we'll always see your jump. ;-)
Select to expand quoteXensr said..SaltySinus said..Mark _australia said..
Completely separate from your kite at the apex of your jump, and freefall to the water.
Time it with a stopwatch
9.8m/s/s
There u have it.
Ah, the old 9.8m/s/s... that takes me back to my physics lessons... Thanks for trip down memory lane!
Joking aside, the scary part is that many expensive products use this "free fall" method in an attempt to give jump height. Using this method is literally impossible to give consistent heights, and is there is an off axis G (spin, etc) then the system will never "see" the jump. Also, if you take a look at the Xensr kite tests from my earlier post, you'll notice that the single shot jump, the rider kite loops on the descent to keep from splattering on the water - this is seen as a "landing" by systems like ***** and ********* but Xensr "sees" the whole jump as is.
We track the jump through our sensor fusion - we're taking input from five different sensors at over 400 samples per second to accurately track the actual 3D path of the rider (or wherever its mounted) and we identify jump events in realtime. As soon as you land, we know your height. It doesn't matter if its a flat surface jump in kiting, a drop in skiing or a tabletop jump in mountain bike. You can spin, flip, etc. as hard as you like (we track that as well) and we'll always see your jump. ;-)
Sounds like a winner. Question though.... what type of sensors does it use? Do they work in the dark and more importantly are they accurate in the dark or poor lighting?
I have an idea. Build this type of technology into a camera silimar to GoPro. Better yet, add GPS for linear tracking aswell.
Imagine a GoPro that can also map out your tricks in 3D on computer and track your geographical movements.
Select to expand quotenugs said..
Sounds like a winner. Question though.... what type of sensors does it use? Do they work in the dark and more importantly are they accurate in the dark or poor lighting?
I have an idea. Build this type of technology into a camera silimar to GoPro. Better yet, add GPS for linear tracking aswell.
Imagine a GoPro that can also map out your tricks in 3D on computer and track your geographical movements.
The XensrCase uses accel, gyros, magnetometer, GPS, barometric (though this is NOT used for jump heights) all mixed together to give our smooth 3D TruMotion tracking data. Works just fine in the dark, jumping out of an aircraft, mountain biking, skiing, base jumping, etc. ;-)
The problem with GoPro's/POV cams is that camera location usually is NOT the desired place for data collection for boardsports.
You can export your data into your POV of offboard video like we did in the demo videos, but the actual product results are better than the test graphics you saw there.
Select to expand quoteXensr said..nugs said..
Sounds like a winner. Question though.... what type of sensors does it use? Do they work in the dark and more importantly are they accurate in the dark or poor lighting?
I have an idea. Build this type of technology into a camera silimar to GoPro. Better yet, add GPS for linear tracking aswell.
Imagine a GoPro that can also map out your tricks in 3D on computer and track your geographical movements.
The XensrCase uses accel, gyros, magnetometer, GPS, barometric (though this is NOT used for jump heights) all mixed together to give our smooth 3D TruMotion tracking data. Works just fine in the dark, jumping out of an aircraft, mountain biking, skiing, base jumping, etc. ;-)
The problem with GoPro's/POV cams is that camera location usually is NOT the desired place for data collection for boardsports.
You can export your data into your POV of offboard video like we did in the demo videos, but the actual product results are better than the test graphics you saw there.
All sounds and looks cool... now to get a heart rate monitor attached to see how much one's HR goes up vs height of jump.
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All sounds and looks cool... now to get a heart rate monitor attached to see how much one's HR goes up vs height of jump.
If you are using a BT4.0 heart rate monitor, we support that in the app, so yes - you can monitor your heart rate during your
sessions as well as the other data. ;-)
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So when do you expect these to be available, and how much?
We will announce pre-orders and MSRP next week at Xensr.com (site is still "coming soon" at this time before
the launch).
Site is now launched and taking preorders it seems. Pls post if someone got handson experience on the reliability/precision of the gadget!
Hey that looks like a fun little gadjet - this is how they measure Height...
Quote: How are jump heights measured and how precise is it?
The XensrCase is looking at your motion 400 times every second. It?s examining your G loading (acceleration) in all 3 axis, your angles (gyro), keeping track of where the Earth is (GPS + magnetometer) and watching the air pressure. All of this data is used to determine your precise 3D location, and also watch for jump events.
Many assume that Xensr?s TruMotion? technology uses the altimeter for jump heights ? this is incorrect.
Xensr computes your jumps based on movement data ? for water sports, the XensrCase is sealed against water in an airtight case, thus preventing any reliable air pressure changes to be measured rendering the altimeter useless. The 3D measurement from TruMotion? gives jump height data to less than one inch of precision. Sometimes it?s as precise at 3mm and averages around 1cm of precision. At worst, it?s 1 inch of precision, so that?s what we use for our precision claim.
Having read the above - Does the Xensr have 'Official' approval as a speed / height recording device for World competition...
What is the warranty on it and what is it Impact rated at for obvious mega jump crashes ???
We all know the "Shadow box" was a 'Pre order failure' with software problems and months late for delivery - Once bitten twice shy in Australia !!!!
