Shorten your back lines by a knot from the factory setting. Factory setting I noticed even pulled all the way in the kite wanted to move forward in the window. Changed today. Gives the pivot point to play with power and your edging at the right point at the bar throw.
Turns quicker for mega loops....see below. Much better low end and as you now have some throw to play with (before I was pulling the stopper and riding the bar right on the iron heart in the lulls), you can work on developing better apparent wind and can lock off much quicker.
Jumping much better float, as the kite doesn't fly over head as much.
I was asking questions with a local 85kg guy seemed to get out in such low winds and also was getting so much height and float on his 12m. Of course he is a sick rider, but still,
He has had many mor sessions on the 12 than me as I tend put my zephyr up when I can .
His fifth line is taught, his front lines haves stretched in to a nice position. Hence his kite is trimmed just right. Even with a knot shorter my fifth safety is still slightly slack so more to go. He even trims just slightly every session.
You do have to slightly depower though when unhooking as before you needn't worry. It's worth the hassle. Try it, it makes a difference.
Obvious but don't mega loop to close to shore. Came in way to hot, hit the shoreline, needless to say I don't remember getting help to pack up, nor most of the session. Concussion it seems. We are always pushing ourselves with the crew I kite with and dudes are always getting smashed, after a while we take little notice. They all came a running and were sure I had broken my neck.
Be careful guys.
Eppo,
Sorry to hear about your mishap. Glad u r ok.
When you say shorten your back lines by a Knot, are you saying under the Bar floats? And are you saying use the Knots already there fron the Factory?
So your mate is Flying the Dice on 5 lines? Interesting.
Will Fly my 13 Dice 1 st time tomorrow.
14
Intresting post, which colour knots? Ive been experimenting a lot with the knots mainley in sub 20 knott conditions. Fridays conditions were the sweet spot for the kite but i think i had put them back to factory???
I havnt got the bar in front of me to work it out.
like you say eppo i have noticed im riding the bar on the iron heart .
Im starting to get use to the frestyle caracteristics of the kite with the boosting, having come from rebels and evos its definatley a technique thing.
I have noticed that im working harder to get upwind probably my lack of experience with the kite!
Im really looking forward to getting it out in the waves im sure its going to make me a happy man.
Careful Eppo, need you around to keep the reviews level and honest! Glad you are okay....
Why are you flying the kite as a five line anyway. I hear the kite has more power as a four line, and even Dan at North had made comment that the kite is better as a four. So what gives?
Just to add something. I made the loop, apparently it was quote impressive. What happened was when I spun the bar, and started to plane out again I pulled the wrong side, well the bar was opposite to what I thought.
d head you might think and yes that is somewhat true, BUT, the new north bar has, get this, light blue and dark blue floats with a small red north on the left and whatever colour on the right. Sun in your eyes, couldn't see sht.
Only earlier I had dropped the kite in the water doing a back roll back loop and coming out did the same. Only I was well out in the estuary.
D head you may think and again you are right. BUT one of the riders I rate down here, said he did the same thing twice that session. And he did it again this morning. (I was only watching, my head feels like its been slammed by the Incredible Hulk).
Our solution, we are going to put some red shrink wrap on the left float. Apart from red interwoven seems in the left lines, from your perspective they look all the same colour. Plus because of the High Y and that long red safety the bar doesn't give you any clues which way it wants to be spun, nor do the lines give you any indication (comparing against my ozone bar, which almost unravels itself it tells you which way it wants to go. )
So be aware guys, maybe both of us a D heads, but we keep on doing this. Don't end up like me, reckon without experience on how to land and moving the kite straight into the bush on purpose this could have ended real bad.
Eppo - yeah you're a d head Have been riding the 2014 bar since we got our first one back in july and not one person has mentioned the bar colour being an issue. There is a big red line through the wrong side of the bar indicating "you've got the bar upside down, d-head"
Okay maybe I am. Lol. I will see. But is it easy to see quickly when in a critical situation?
ta for the advice mate. I wills pass it on the rider who rate as the one of the best or the best down here and see if it makes a diff.
Maybe it is because we are looking at the line colours and bar floats for our indication.
You may want to get your eyes tested mate if you can't see the differences in colour on this bar, especially the red on the back of it at 1.25min...
Well I won't speak for myself, but a rider I know who would put most to shame, including you maybe, feels the same.
He rides hard and is looping, rolling etc all over the place and in a highly powered way..and he cannot see that red you are talking about quick enough. He's been at it 12 years, and you? He is a a very accomplished rider and one I'm always learning off. If it was some guy 4 to 5 years in who hasn't been around that much I'd be questioning myself as well.
My thoughts, feedback to north, make the outside lines completely different colors as well.
hey the bar is great, but as I have said before I'm not one eyed nor a zealous born again rider for one brand. I follow no cult. I say it as I see it, the good stuff and the warts.
But I will take the advice from drew and see.
... Hey Eppo, not good to hear ya gave ya head a crack!
Just wondering, does the Dice have 2 knots on the front pig tail bridle ie one for 5 or 4 line bars? Have you noticed any differences when using you 4 line bar?
Robbie
hey
I totally agree with epo on this, yea the bar has a big red line on the wrong side to inform you have it the wrong way round, even above the float there is the red outer line,
But for me its just not as intuitive as other bars I have used, its not a criticism, its an observation, you do a loop you spin the bar to straighten the lines and because of the high y on the centre lines its super easy to spin the bar that extra 180 degrees grab onto it and send the kite in completely the wrong way before you know what has happened,
I think it is a valid point that epo has made, I saw his loop into the bush, nasty looking didn't know what to expect when I got to him but fortunately he landed on his head,lol
Given time I think anyone one with issues including myself will dial into it, but until then take care.
But you would have to take the 5 th on the bar off as well - so have a dedicated 4 line bar.
What do you use for the flag line though ? - assume you just go suicide but what if you want a bit more safety ?
I shortened the back lines in the first 5 minutes. Really felt the lack of power in our wind and it made a lot of difference
Eppo , you really should get checked up cause you are not writing the same. Logic not quite as strong. You sound off the pace mate
Is this for me Eddie? Yeh I have a 4 line bar. 5 lines and me are not friends. Not saying one 5 lines are bad, just we don't talk to each anymore. Lol.
Yeh it flags on both fronts and yes it doesn't kill it completely. You activate the quick release it flags anyway, you should know that right?
But as I'm unhooking now, after getting over my fear of the old c kite days, always in suicide. Then again I always ride the ozone kites in suicide. I don't fck up often until Saturday. Ouch.
I don't quite get robbie way over my head regarding north and fifth lines, as I said left that behind with the rebel never to return.
Say hello to tony if ya see him for us. Bet his son is ripping now, did his dad finnally get him a proper C kite?
Yep go ahead with the red thumbs. Bit harsh I thought.
It worked for me anyway. The kite was not reacting as well as I thought it should , was pretty light wind. Maybe 12-14 on nugget and wanted to give my new kite a run. Made it feel more solid and reactive straight away.
Ah the red thumbs teach you humility. They test how infatuated or identified you are with your own ego or story.
Sometimes I can disconnect, sometime I fail and respond.
Yeh as I said the kite I think is set up so you can ride and unhook without having to depower the kite.
While I'm here here is a review of the dice done by the iksurfmag. I sent this to some crew who have been on them a while and they all agreed it was bloody close to the mark. It also shows how deceptive those swept tips are and actually the kites overall profile is really C in nature rather than an open C like a lot of the all rounders. Interesting at least.m
www.iksurfmag.com/issue41/?page=107
They also do a good review on the bandit 7, the rally and another kite which I can't remember.
Worth a read anyhow.
Eppo and others in the know, can the donkey pick be easily removed? Don't use it but it gets it the way regardless of its orientation.
there's only one knot on the bridles for your front line attachment - The Dyno for example has two knots, one for if you're riding 5 line, and one for 4 lines. I assume the reason the kite rides a little differently on 5 lines is because the split of the front lines is much higher up than on the 4 line setup. Don't ask me what this does, but it changes the direction that the front lines are pulling from. The 5th line does nothing, just hangs there loosely as a safety feature.