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Created by ADS > 9 months ago, 3 May 2012
ADS
WA, 365 posts
3 May 2012 8:29PM
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I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?

COL
NSW, 550 posts
3 May 2012 10:43PM
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I'd be out there with my kite, but I'm not you, nore is anyone else. I guess I am a kiter 1st and a paddle surfer 2nd.
Col

bobin
WA, 35 posts
3 May 2012 8:49PM
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looking at those sort of conditions, surf every time then kite- unless the sections are to fast to make

smook
VIC, 197 posts
3 May 2012 10:50PM
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I surf 1st in morning when glass and hit that face as hard as possible when wind is at its peak Nice wave ??????

gmd
WA, 97 posts
3 May 2012 9:40PM
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Well you surf the wave
and use the kite to be ready for the next
one and not miss because you have to paddle ..
regards
gmd

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
3 May 2012 10:18PM
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yep gota agree my paddle fitness has gone to ** since I started kiting. Theres also no way you can catch as many waves paddling.

tightlines
WA, 3472 posts
3 May 2012 10:42PM
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Mmmm tough choice.....quantity vs quality.

I reckon the wind is probably a bit stronger than it looks, it is just a little bit offshore so the face is nice and clean.

There is nothing quite like paddling into a wave then just using the power of the wave but you can just get so many more waves with a kite.

If I was twenty years younger I might be surfing but now I would be kiting, but I would be using the smallest kite I could get away with so I could pretty much switch it off on the wave (unless I needed a little help to make a fast section).

dafish
NSW, 1637 posts
4 May 2012 8:21AM
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I'm in the same camp as TH and TL, paddle fitness sucks since I started kiting. I would spend more time on the water and get more waves if I had a kite. I wouldn't be frustrated by the young grommet who keeps paddling past me in the rip and gets wave after wave while I wheeze my way back to the take off spot!
That photo looks soooooo good and so much fun, wish we had a bit of this right now!

Jedibrad
NSW, 527 posts
4 May 2012 8:26AM
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ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?


Let me clear your confusion, Eat, Surf, Eat, Nap, Kite, Eat, Sleep....Repeat

ps. i have found protein recovery shakes good for keeping this cycle going

Puetz
NT, 2177 posts
4 May 2012 10:31AM
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Jedibrad said...

ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?


Let me clear your confusion, Eat, Surf, Eat, Nap, Kite, Eat, Sleep....Repeat

ps. i have found protein recovery shakes good for keeping this cycle going


...umm, where's root in that cycle??? Just wondering is all??

Plummet
4862 posts
4 May 2012 10:32AM
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For me its all about the fun/effort ratio.

With surfing theres alot of effort for little fun in time terms. So you bash through the surf wait in the line up and then if your lucky you get 20 seconds of fun. then you have to smash through the white wash again assume your possion for the next wave. 5,10, 15 mins later you may get another 20 seconds of glory.

How many wave do you catch per hour? maybe 6? thats 2mins of fun in a full our of acticity.

Stuff that. Theres not enough fun factor for this white man.

Even if you take rigging up your kite into account as soon as you hit the water its all fun... just different levels of fun. So even if you take 30 mins to rig yourve had 30 mins of fun in an hour.

But I have always been a part time surfer at best. I've never been able to get over that low fun factor ratio. The other sports i do landboarding, longboards skating and mountain biking all more fun in terms of time v fun.

PS i'm calling at least 20 knots of cross cross off on that photo. Theres decent spray coming off the face. that doesn't happen until at least 20 knots.

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
4 May 2012 12:37PM
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30 mins to rig up????

what are u doing for the other 20 mins

Gorgo
VIC, 4951 posts
4 May 2012 1:29PM
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ADS said...
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Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?


Judging by the amount of spray and the look of the sea out the back the conditions look pretty good to me. Not marginal for kiting at all. It looks perfect for surf kiting.

I would always rig a kite if there's enough wind to kite. Apart from the fact that I enjoy kiting so much, we rarely get those perfect surf kiting conditions so I always want to kite when there's wind and waves about.

The other thing is the pure joy factor that comes from kiting. I get 10 times the fun doing something on the water with a kite than without.

Plummet
4862 posts
4 May 2012 11:56AM
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hamburglar said...

30 mins to rig up????

what are u doing for the other 20 mins


I've been sitting on a park bench waiting for that weirdo in the yellow cookie monster suit to leave because I don't want to bend over and put my wet suit on with him around!.

Jedibrad
NSW, 527 posts
4 May 2012 5:30PM
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Puetz said...

Jedibrad said...

ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?



Let me clear your confusion, Eat, Surf, Eat, Nap, Kite, Eat, Sleep....Repeat

ps. i have found protein recovery shakes good for keeping this cycle going


...umm, where's root in that cycle??? Just wondering is all??


oops... ok... pencil that in between eat, nap and again at eat, sleep.... sorted.

Chris_M
2129 posts
4 May 2012 5:31PM
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If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
4 May 2012 5:36PM
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Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




+1 couldnt agree more [}:)]

Chris_M
2129 posts
4 May 2012 5:40PM
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Glad u got my back! Thought for sure the red thumb brigade would F8ck my s*hit up for sure!

doggie said...

Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




+1 couldnt agree more [}:)]


Hunter S
WA, 516 posts
4 May 2012 6:07PM
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Stoked - I took that photo - after a morning surf - wish I was there now rather than here, flat and raining.

The wind is way stronger than it looks and it's cross on. I kited it on a 6 m.

The angle of the photo and the sunlight makes it look clean. Still surfable but windy and most got there fill in the morning.

I vote surf morning, kite arvo, then fall in blissful exhaustion (and good luck to those who get a root while there).

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
4 May 2012 11:02PM
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doggie said...

Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




+1 couldnt agree more [}:)]

Me too

tgladman
WA, 500 posts
4 May 2012 11:06PM
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ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?


IMO this question is similar to defining the "limit" of art. As been said personal preference for sure. Credit to the guys who paddle onto em, I find it hard to justify the time waiting

SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
10 May 2012 12:29PM
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ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?





^^ ADS that photo is what we surfed in the morning till my shoulders could no longer propel me forward any more. Thanks to Hunter S for grabbing my camera and snapping this one of me below chasing barrels. What an awesome week on the water, glad we got some pic's for memories





^^ one I got of Hunter S later in the day, Lot of water moving through there, much rather be dragged around by a kite than paddle against that 1 wave before I would be stuffed again.

junglist
VIC, 701 posts
10 May 2012 2:43PM
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^^^ From where I would rather be.

ADS
WA, 365 posts
10 May 2012 2:15PM
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SammyJ said...

ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?





^^ ADS that photo is what we surfed in the morning till my shoulders could no longer propel me forward any more. Thanks to Hunter S for grabbing my camera and snapping this one of me below chasing barrels. What an awesome week on the water, glad we got some pic's for memories





^^ one I got of Hunter S later in the day, Lot of water moving through there, much rather be dragged around by a kite than paddle against that 1 wave before I would be stuffed again.




Nice one Sammy, looks like a classic surf trip

bobajob
QLD, 1534 posts
10 May 2012 4:59PM
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Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




Ha Ha Thats *ucken funny.
What is real surfing?
Paddle surfers in windy conditions are speed bumps.

PS. Have been a "real surfer" for many years before kiting and really enjoy both.

GutterMouth
NSW, 26 posts
10 May 2012 7:50PM
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ADS said...

I have surfed most of my life and consider myself a surfer first. Having said that, kitesurfing is a blast especially in Perth's windy (but flatish) conditions. I am confused as to why you would bother with a kite in conditions like this:



Do other kitesurfers agree? Would you pump up your kite is such marginal conditions (wind wise)? Or is it only non-surfers who would kite in these conditions?


Mouth peice

dafish
NSW, 1637 posts
10 May 2012 7:53PM
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great shots, looks epic...I really like the last one and the heavy angle on the swell as it's marching down the beach....wish i was there for that.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
10 May 2012 8:39PM
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Gnaraloo is sailed in marginal (or primo) conditions cause Gnaraloo is angle-perfect.

Wind direction is optimum for riding waves with a sail or a kite.

Surfers don't like wind.

Surfers like calmness.

Glass.


Puetz
NT, 2177 posts
11 May 2012 11:30AM
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waveslave said...




Gnaraloo is sailed in marginal (or primo) conditions cause Gnaraloo is angle-perfect.

Wind direction is optimum for riding waves with a sail or a kite.

Surfers don't like wind.

Surfers like calmness.

Glass.





... mate, thats looks fully grouse!

Plummet
4862 posts
11 May 2012 11:57AM
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Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




just a minute... if theres enough wind for real kite surfing what the hell are lowly surfers doing there?. I better smash all their windows and jam their boards up their arses!. how dare they interupt my superior kiting experience!....

On a realistic note. I say posession is 9-10ths of the law. if the surfers are their first then I will leave them to it. I expect the same respect aswell. If the surfers paddle into my zone i wont move on. They have made the decision to surf amongst my kiting. If they don't agree then i guess we can resort to window smashing and surfboard enimas. Or window enimas and surfboard smashing. which ever you prefer!.

Chris_M
2129 posts
11 May 2012 3:12PM
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Plummet said...

Chris_M said...

If theres guys doing real surfing, don't kite there, or your wind screen may get smashed and your board shoved up your ass.

Ill be the guy shoving the board up your ass.

All good if you find a place uninhabited with waves like this, if is a crowded spot, you are officially worse than a SUPper




just a minute... if theres enough wind for real kite surfing what the hell are lowly surfers doing there?. I better smash all their windows and jam their boards up their arses!. how dare they interupt my superior kiting experience!....

On a realistic note. I say posession is 9-10ths of the law. if the surfers are their first then I will leave them to it. I expect the same respect aswell. If the surfers paddle into my zone i wont move on. They have made the decision to surf amongst my kiting. If they don't agree then i guess we can resort to window smashing and surfboard enimas. Or window enimas and surfboard smashing. which ever you prefer!.


All u gotta worry about is having your ass kicked by sunbathers when you are landboarding on their beach dude



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