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LOC Kite Surfing Downwind Marathon

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Created by LancelinOC > 9 months ago, 23 Nov 2012
bermand
WA, 247 posts
12 Jan 2013 10:31AM
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S 31deg04.180 E 115deg20.370
Actually these were all on original course map

Slack
WA, 685 posts
12 Jan 2013 10:49AM
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I wasn't there but after reading the post-race posts I am at a lost as to how they awarded a 3rd place. I would have thought the 3rd place prize money should have gone on the bar.

bermand
WA, 247 posts
12 Jan 2013 10:55AM
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Hey Slack, you will need to learn to gybe the Cape Doctor before next year's event, yes it was a fun but strange day.

ianyoung
WA, 649 posts
12 Jan 2013 11:15AM
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Thanks to the Lancelin Ocean Classic organizers for including kitesurfing back in the event again for the 1st time since 2004 - stoked & already looking forward to next year!

Be great if we could race the same course as the windsurfers so we could compare times & use the cray boats as markers - maybe starting just before or after the windsurfers?

Thanks also to WAKSA & volunteers for all their hard work - sure there's a few lessons learned but your efforts are really appreciated & I'm sure it will be bigger & better next year :-)

tightlines
WA, 3487 posts
12 Jan 2013 11:38AM
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bermand said...
Hey Slack, you will need to learn to gybe the Cape Doctor before next year's event, yes it was a fun but strange day.


Yeah Slack I think I saw you fall of a couple of times ya kook










Actually bermand that was me, it's funny how you can get 99% of your gybes when practicing yet stuff it up when the heat is on.
BTW Slack thanks heaps for the use of the board such a sweeeet ride, sorry I couldn't do it justice.

bermand
WA, 247 posts
12 Jan 2013 11:59AM
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FWIW blue chip timing link
www.bluechipresults.com.au/StartPage.aspx?CId=11

tightlines
WA, 3487 posts
14 Jan 2013 9:33AM
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Slack said...
I wasn't there but after reading the post-race posts I am at a lost as to how they awarded a 3rd place. I would have thought the 3rd place prize money should have gone on the bar.



I could be wrong but I think most of the 3rd place money did go on the bar.

I wasn't going to mention this but after speaking to a few of the more experienced racers including a spectator that is a very experienced yacht racer, I have to question the 3rd place decision.
No matter how I put this it is going to sound like sour grapes and that I am just having a whinge but in the effort to try and make this event bigger, better and more professional next year I think it needs to be said.

I am not tryin to have a go at Marty or the judges it was always going to be hard to decide what to do under the circumstances but I think awarding any place to anyone that did not complete the full course sets a dangerous precedent for the following reasons, sorry if this gets a bit long long winded but here is my story.

After rounding the first marker in second position I lost quite a bit of time out in the vicinity of the second marker along with Johnno and a couple of others and I still am not sure how close we got to it (or if we may have rounded it without seeing it) but know that it was a lot closer than quite a few that passed us and just headed straight for the 3rd marker.

After rounding the 3rd marker back in about 6th or so I fought my way back up to be fighting it out up the front with a couple of others as we approached Edward Island.
(I also believe Dale pulled out of the race at the 3rd mark when he realised that he had missed the 2nd)

Just before we reached Edward Island I crossed paths with a couple of kites that were pretty much hugging the reef because I was aware that the marker was a fair way behind the reef and wanted to get deeper.

I am sure photo's will show and others that were behind will know there was nothing in it between myself, Marty and a couple of others up front and as I have surfed and sailed those reefs for over 30 years I am sure I could have cut through Hole in the Wall and hit the beach first or even just cut in close at passage and It would have at the very least gone down to the wire.

Any of the other kites that were close behind (Martin, Alty, Philip, Johhno) as we approached South Passage will probably remember seeing the big Cabrinha turning right through the South Passage whilst the Blue and White Switch kite (me) turned left and headed out to sea to try to find the marker.
Whilst I did eventually see it it was a long way back upwind and I was fairly sure I had missed the 2nd one anyway so just figured I may as well just do as all the others were doing and head for shore thinking we would all be disqualified anyway and for that reason I did not protest at the time.

So basically what I am saying is that by rewarding those that get to the beach first regardless of how many marks they made or how close they got to them, it just encourages a drag race from start to finish, which is not a good thing.

Rant over and once again I don't want to offend anyone, I was stoked that the race was held and appreciate the huge effort of all concerned.

Lessons were learned and I am sure that this event can get bigger and better.

FWIW here is a copy of my GPS track.

connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/260698929

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1877 posts
14 Jan 2013 10:11AM
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Does anyone know if the Freestyle comp was held on Saturday ?

bermand
WA, 247 posts
14 Jan 2013 10:59AM
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Nice speed Kent, I think coords I gave you may have been wrong as east coord was same as 3rd mark on original course map, not sure who would have original coordinates. How did you find Cape Dr board? Is it quicker than your board from L2L?

James
WA, 549 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:44AM
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I don't think I'm gonna make any friends with this post, but this thread has given me a couple of laughs as it reminded me of a comedy skit I heard on the radio some time ago that went something like this. . . . "I live just outside Beverly Hills. They wanted to call it Beverly Hills, they were gonna call Beverly Hills, they shoulda called it Beverly Hills, but I live just. . . just . . outside Beverly Hills.

Hearty congrats to Ian Young , You live in Beverly Hills central ! ! Would'nt want to water down your victory in any way. That was an extremely commited (hard core ) effort. Don't think you liked it when I said your FS was hard core when you were rigging at the L2L race, but I think you just proved it, cheers , J

Snoopy13
VIC, 2 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:51PM
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Can I be so daft as to ask what type of boards you are using for these events?

Haydn24
QLD, 473 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:10PM
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tightlines said...
Slack said...
I wasn't there but after reading the post-race posts I am at a lost as to how they awarded a 3rd place. I would have thought the 3rd place prize money should have gone on the bar.



I could be wrong but I think most of the 3rd place money did go on the bar.

I wasn't going to mention this but after speaking to a few of the more experienced racers including a spectator that is a very experienced yacht racer, I have to question the 3rd place decision.
No matter how I put this it is going to sound like sour grapes and that I am just having a whinge but in the effort to try and make this event bigger, better and more professional next year I think it needs to be said.

I am not tryin to have a go at Marty or the judges it was always going to be hard to decide what to do under the circumstances but I think awarding any place to anyone that did not complete the full course sets a dangerous precedent for the following reasons, sorry if this gets a bit long long winded but here is my story.

After rounding the first marker in second position I lost quite a bit of time out in the vicinity of the second marker along with Johnno and a couple of others and I still am not sure how close we got to it (or if we may have rounded it without seeing it) but know that it was a lot closer than quite a few that passed us and just headed straight for the 3rd marker.

After rounding the 3rd marker back in about 6th or so I fought my way back up to be fighting it out up the front with a couple of others as we approached Edward Island.
(I also believe Dale pulled out of the race at the 3rd mark when he realised that he had missed the 2nd)

Just before we reached Edward Island I crossed paths with a couple of kites that were pretty much hugging the reef because I was aware that the marker was a fair way behind the reef and wanted to get deeper.

I am sure photo's will show and others that were behind will know there was nothing in it between myself, Marty and a couple of others up front and as I have surfed and sailed those reefs for over 30 years I am sure I could have cut through Hole in the Wall and hit the beach first or even just cut in close at passage and It would have at the very least gone down to the wire.

Any of the other kites that were close behind (Martin, Alty, Philip, Johhno) as we approached South Passage will probably remember seeing the big Cabrinha turning right through the South Passage whilst the Blue and White Switch kite (me) turned left and headed out to sea to try to find the marker.
Whilst I did eventually see it it was a long way back upwind and I was fairly sure I had missed the 2nd one anyway so just figured I may as well just do as all the others were doing and head for shore thinking we would all be disqualified anyway and for that reason I did not protest at the time.

So basically what I am saying is that by rewarding those that get to the beach first regardless of how many marks they made or how close they got to them, it just encourages a drag race from start to finish, which is not a good thing.

Rant over and once again I don't want to offend anyone, I was stoked that the race was held and appreciate the huge effort of all concerned.

Lessons were learned and I am sure that this event can get bigger and better.

FWIW here is a copy of my GPS track.

connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/260698929


Well said, I would say the same thing if I knew that happened.

BTW, why you doing 64ft booooosts at the 5 mile mark? lol

SugarQube
WA, 490 posts
14 Jan 2013 1:26PM
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James said...
I don't think I'm gonna make any friends with this post, but this thread has given me a couple of laughs as it reminded me of a comedy skit I heard on the radio some time ago that went something like this. . . . "I live just outside Beverly Hills. They wanted to call it Beverly Hills, they were gonna call Beverly Hills, they shoulda called it Beverly Hills, but I live just. . . just . . outside Beverly Hills.

Hearty congrats to Ian Young , You live in Beverly Hills central ! ! Would'nt want to water down your victory in any way. That was an extremely commited (hard core ) effort. Don't think you liked it when I said your FS was hard core when you were rigging at the L2L race, but I think you just proved it, cheers , J


Well I think it was a biblical experience, where the last shal come first... even made you register as an Austrian James??

brabble brabble.....


Well....I want to see some vids and photos from that chopper buzzing around .....and when can we finnish off the tab from the prize money, or did the windsurfers have a good time on that?

tightlines
WA, 3487 posts
14 Jan 2013 2:08PM
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Reading back what I wrote I didn't really put it very well and it ended up sounding like it was all about me, so I can see I will end up with red thumbs.

In all other forms of sailing if you don't round the marks you are disqualified full stop.

Otherwise what happens and what happened in this case is everyone follows the leader thinking they must be on the right course, if you see a few kites in front of you going full speed in a certain direction you naturally assume they are sailing the course and then nearly everyone follows suit, except the wise ones, i.e. Ian and Rusty.

Im sure nearly everyone wasn't aware it was the wrong mark when they missed the 2nd one but nearly everyone knew that they were missing the last one without really looking.

There is a few photo's on FB but yes there should be a lot more eventually.
www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.317774108324342.55237.291098247658595&type=1

James
WA, 549 posts
14 Jan 2013 5:02PM
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SugarQube said...
... even made you register as an Austrian James??



Yeah mate ," I'll be back "

ianyoung
WA, 649 posts
14 Jan 2013 5:19PM
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From my Facebook:
"Dale Stanton & I, followed closely by Marty Farrow, led the pack @ what we thought was the 2nd mark of the Lancelin Ocean Classic 2013 kite downwind marathon. Shortly afterwards the horrible realization dawned upon me that it was in fact the 3rd mark! So I tacked back upwind & eventually found the 2nd mark - not easy to find 1m high white buoys 3km offshore in an ocean of white caps! In the end Russell Curtin & I were the only ones to complete the course. Not the best way to win but I'll claim it all the same."

Also for those interested in a bit of kitesurfing history in this event - here's a post from Jan 2008:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Ledge-to-Lancelin/

dalestanton
WA, 272 posts
14 Jan 2013 10:52PM
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So pumped for this event, hopefully the organisers will place boats on each mark and fly kites to make them easily identifiable, nothing that hasn't already been said.

The event has the potential to be awesome with a few tweaks here and there, gotta get the course situation right, I also wasn't happy about the last minute course change to include an extra mark. This confused me incredibly when I hit the 3rd mark and realised I had forgotten about the extra mark that was included.....

Super hard decision to retire from the race after I realised I couldn't head back upwind without taking 2 hours to complete the course, which I thought was pointless. (great work Ian/Russel). I'll be honest and say I was fuming when I got to the shore, I putted to shore and ran parallel for the rest of the race to stay out of peoples way with a very long and embarrassed face....glad I wasn't the only one to miss the 2nd mark.

Wicked work by the WAKSA volunteers again,and I hope the organisers continue again next year, they have the chance to make a mends and they will surely be rewarded.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
15 Jan 2013 1:17AM
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I have to say, there is some bloody good sportsmanship shown in this great sport of ours.

WAKSA
WA, 813 posts
15 Jan 2013 7:15AM
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SaveTheWhales said...
Does anyone know if the Freestyle comp was held on Saturday ?


Yes a freestyle comp was held o the Saturday before the windsurfers came in.

WAKSA
WA, 813 posts
15 Jan 2013 7:21AM
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Slack said...
I wasn't there but after reading the post-race posts I am at a lost as to how they awarded a 3rd place. I would have thought the 3rd place prize money should have gone on the bar.



Money was put on the Bar, Third place or the first of the DSQ racer was not given any prize money... Instead he was just given a voucher.

I hope this clears up any confusion.



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