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Light Wind Kite - Which one?

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Created by Flying High > 9 months ago, 20 Dec 2009
Flying High
NSW, 217 posts
20 Dec 2009 9:31PM
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I am looking at upgrading my light wind kite.
My current light wind kite is a 2006 17m Slingshot fuel, generally use it in surf (crappy shore break, 10-15kt with surfboard or 142 twin tip.)
I am not sure whether to look at the Ozone LIght 14m or the Ozone Zephyr.
Will the Light continue to be manufactured in 14m now the Zephyr is released?
I am basically looking for something with a bit more range if the wind picks up during the session and a little quicker.
I was contemplating a Light last year but the Fuel is in great shape still - so it would have to be a marked improvement in range and performance.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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21 Dec 2009 12:13AM
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Hey Flying High,

The Ozone Zephyr is pretty damn awesome. Myself, and little John and anyone else who cared to ride the demo Zephyr's today at Pinnaroo had a great session. I think the rest of Perth had a bit of a shocker. We have ridden on the Zephyrs quite a lot this year, much more than I would have ever imagined. It's all about time on the water rather than sitting on the beach waiting for a few more knots.

We rode right through the day up until around 6.30pm despite light winds and the lack of white caps. I ride the Zephyr from around 8 knots on a race board or the Airush Sector 60 and can be well powered in these conditions. It is possible to ride in less wind than 8 knots, but you need a little 8 knot gust to get you planing, then it's all good to sail through the light bits.

I also have no problem holding onto the Zephyr in 22 knots on a race board and probably up to about 24-25 on a twin tip. It wouldn't be my choice to rig it for 20+ knots, but if it picks up, there's no need to panic, just trim it in a bit.

It really is an awesome kite! I'm sure you could get a ride on one at Kitepower in Syd.

The Light is finishing up this year and will be replaced by a new model sometime in January.

Cheers,

KH

Here's a few pics of 8-10 knot blasting, well powered! You may notice the absence of any decent whitecaps, you will see the odd wavelet cresting, but only small. You may also notice that this is the Indian Ocean and you are looking upwind where whitecaps show up most easily, not some offshore gimmick photo. Whitecaps start to form at 8 knots!

In these photo's I rode upwind faster than Mikey (Photog) could get upwind to the point for his vantage point in the dunes. Board is the North 2010 Race LTD and I weigh about 95 kilos with kitesurfing gear on.





Sasha
VIC, 103 posts
21 Dec 2009 11:26AM
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Kitehard said...

Hey Flying High,

It is possible to ride in less wind than 8 knots...
Here's a few pics of 8-10 knot blasting, well powered!

What size ?
Ta,alex.

tobes
NSW, 1000 posts
21 Dec 2009 12:28PM
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Sasha said...
What size ?
Ta,alex.


The Zephyr comes in any size you like as long as it's 17m.

ozonekites.com/products/water-kites/zephyr

wal269
WA, 718 posts
21 Dec 2009 10:30AM
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KH

Does it turn:
a) faster
b)slower

than the Titanic????
(I dont mind if you answer the question either in reference to the titianic in 1912 or as she is in 2009)

Also what do you rate higher:
a) posiibility of relaunch in under 10 knots???
b) Life on Mars??
c) meaniful outcomes from the Copenhagen Climate Summit??

Wal

kimpa
25 posts
21 Dec 2009 11:41AM
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hi,

i have owned a few big kites. i had the contra 17m which was such a pig of a kite. i traded it for the T3 17m (many people don't know they made one this big). It's certainly better than the cab but still hard to fly in very light winds and getting upwind is a struggle.

Main problem is firstly that they are so slow to turn it is hard to keep the power in the kite. second issue is that due to size there is just so much more kite in the powerzone that the pull down wind is great and it's hard to make headway upwind - especially if the wind is light and you need to keep the kite moving.

I have virtually given up on 17m kites but if the Ozone solves these issues then maybe i might have a look.

Final question, what is it like to jump? i find it hard to handle for this because if you time things wrong you get into serious trobule - expecially if there is a little more wind.

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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21 Dec 2009 11:43AM
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LOL,

Yep, I too was massively sceptical about the useability and even the suitability of a 17m kite for WA conditions, and so didn't order any despite prompting from Ozone and vocalised my scepticism to them.

After a few weeks of reading reviews on the net, my curiosity got the better of me enough to order one as just a canopy, no bag, no bar and lines so if it was a dud, I wouldn't blow too much dosh.

Fast forward to a couple of days ago when speaking to one of the owners of Ozone, I had to make a humble apology and eat my hat. The Zephyr was everything it was talked up to be and I have since placed orders for quantities of Zephyr kites. We have only had stock for a week or two and have sold two already and I guarantee you'll see more on the beaches near you real soon.

The owners will be easily recognizable as the only guys on the water having fun whilst you sit on the beach whinging about the wind.

The kite can be looped without any special effort and this isn't the amazing part, the fact that it can be looped using a 54cm bar is the impressive bit

To answer your questions:

The Zephyr is about as fast as a 14m in turns but much more powerful. It's lightweight so it flies in about 4 knots (although you can't ride in this wind).

The relaunch isn't quite as easy as Ozone would have you believe. In the really light winds it can be relaunched in about 8-10 knots with the right technique. In 12 knots, it's just a matter of sheeting out the bar and pulling on a steering line leader.

I welcome you to come and have a ride and to see for yourself.

Cheers,

KH

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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21 Dec 2009 11:47AM
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kimpa said...

Final question, what is it like to jump? i find it hard to handle for this because if you time things wrong you get into serious trobule - expecially if there is a little more wind.


Hi Kimpa,

The Zephyr jumps pretty well actually, it responds really well for a big kite and jumps are usually around the 4-6m height but looooooong and floaaaaaaty. It's very easy to redirect.

You are right, most old big kites pull downwind pretty badly, but this kite goes upwind like all other Ozones (extremely well) that's why you can hang onto it easily when the wind picks up, you just boost bigger!

Throw out your old ideas on big kites, this one ain't the same.

KH

Rattlehead
QLD, 555 posts
21 Dec 2009 2:37PM
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get a 13m one of these,=,serious nuts.
I have a 14m and a 17m contra bow kite and are going to upgrade to one of these.
http://www.cabareteairforce.com/2010/ovando/index.php

Rovert
QLD, 68 posts
21 Dec 2009 4:00PM
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I've not tried the Zephyr but believe it's pretty good - for an LEI. But really, you can't beat a Flysurfer for light wind. I kited in about 10knots in some chop at Queens (Redcliffe, Qld) last week. There were 4 kiters having a pleasant cruise with some floaty jumps:
1 * 19m Flysurfer Speed 2 Silver Arrow;
1 * 19m Flysurfer Speed 2 standard cloth;
my 17m Flysurfer Speed 1.5 and a
Flysurfer 15m Speed 3.

There were a couple of LEIs pumped up on the beach. Though I stand to be corrected I think one of the LEIs was a Zephyr (someone who was there - Henry/Jon? - please correct me if I'm wrong).

I know Flysurfers scare lots of kiters. And we all know that a light wind board is probably more important than a light wind kite. But, if you're serious about wanting to kite while your mates are on the beach waiting for wind, you'd be mad not to consider a Flysurfer.

21 Dec 2009 5:35PM
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Flying High said...

I am looking at upgrading my light wind kite.
My current light wind kite is a 2006 17m Slingshot fuel, generally use it in surf (crappy shore break, 10-15kt with surfboard or 142 twin tip.)
I am not sure whether to look at the Ozone LIght 14m or the Ozone Zephyr.
Will the Light continue to be manufactured in 14m now the Zephyr is released?
I am basically looking for something with a bit more range if the wind picks up during the session and a little quicker.
I was contemplating a Light last year but the Fuel is in great shape still - so it would have to be a marked improvement in range and performance.



Come and demo the 17M Zephyr next time its light. It is everything I said it was from the beggining. For absolute bottom end the Flysurfers do have it, but for 8-10 knots (on a big board) , and from 12 knots on a standard board, this kite is heaps of fun, will relaunch in almost nothing, easily, and turns extremely well for such a big LEI.
Because it can turn well, it also jumps well, and hang time is extremely good.


The Ozone Light XC 14M was also a very good light wind option and is a bit more nimble (because its smaller) but the Zephyr will give a few more knots more bottom end.

The Light XC is being replaced and the replacement is in the final stages of testing and pre production right now.

I have a used 14M Ozone Light XC for sale now, its $1150 complete.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

BrisKites
QLD, 1290 posts
21 Dec 2009 6:58PM
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The EH Ovando flogs other pump ups hands down and you get to ride a smaller kite.
Other than that a large Flysurfer always does the trick.


fver
WA, 453 posts
22 Dec 2009 2:01PM
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BrisKites said...

Other than that a large Flysurfer always does the trick.


FH,

If foils does not scare you, the flysurfer Speed3 is an efficient light wind kite. I would recommend:

80kg, experienced rider, Nobile 666 132x41cm, 13-15knots = Flysurfer Speed3 12m
80kg, experienced rider, Nobile 666 132x41cm, 10-12knots = Flysurfer Speed3 15m

The above wind range are the sweet spots for the kites, however, they have a much wider wind range.

A review and further details are available here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=57031

Hope this helps.

Fred

kitesurfbali
WA, 531 posts
22 Dec 2009 2:59PM
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The Zephyr is comparable as low end to a Speed 3 15m Normal.
I know as I tried both of them back to back...

I also had it back to back with a Light XC14m and it give you at least 3 knots more in low end.
When my friends was struggling to stay up wind by moving the kite I was fully power.
The kite turn pretty well and I have been using for wave riding in light wind no problem.
I double the number of session In the water since I got a Zephyr.
If you are over 90 kilos you really need to give this kite a go.
Bye Jankie

Flying High
NSW, 217 posts
23 Dec 2009 12:43PM
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Thanks everyone for the feedback.
I dont know too much about the foil kites other than what I have read on various forums, they sound exciting but there are not too many around where I kite. I also think it is difficult to find a demo in Sydney.
Again the EH Ovando looks great but the distributors are in Qld so a demo is difficult.
I will definitely demo the Ozone Kites in the new year if KP in Sydney have them available and make a decision then. The Zephyr sounds pretty good at this stage.
One last question, the replacement for the light is that going to be a entry level, light wind or surf orientated kite

ianyoung
WA, 649 posts
23 Dec 2009 12:21PM
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You can demo Flysurfer @ Kitepower Sydney

LUCAS123
QLD, 104 posts
24 Dec 2009 8:24PM
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i flew a 12 mtr 2010 naish torch the otherday in 8-12 knts and was powered enough to unhook and pull some moves and it didnt turn slow for a big kite either, 14 or 16 mtr torch would be awsome light wind kites

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
25 Dec 2009 12:19AM
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LUCAS123 said...

i flew a 12 mtr 2010 naish torch the otherday in 8-12 knts and was powered enough to unhook and pull some moves and it didnt turn slow for a big kite either, 14 or 16 mtr torch would be awsome light wind kites


Since when is a 12m a big kite??

felixk
QLD, 312 posts
25 Dec 2009 11:31AM
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Bigwavedave said...

LUCAS123 said...

i flew a 12 mtr 2010 naish torch the otherday in 8-12 knts and was powered enough to unhook and pull some moves and it didnt turn slow for a big kite either, 14 or 16 mtr torch would be awsome light wind kites


Since when is a 12m a big kite??


And since when is a torch a light wind kite?

skiddz
NT, 237 posts
25 Dec 2009 11:14AM
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felixk said...

Bigwavedave said...

LUCAS123 said...

i flew a 12 mtr 2010 naish torch the otherday in 8-12 knts and was powered enough to unhook and pull some moves and it didnt turn slow for a big kite either, 14 or 16 mtr torch would be awsome light wind kites


Since when is a 12m a big kite??


And since when is a torch a light wind kite?


ditto
14m torch needs at least 12-13 knots of Darwin's wind to start having fun for a 70kg rider on a 134cm Thorn

LUCAS123
QLD, 104 posts
30 Dec 2009 3:14PM
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since 2010

Andrash
WA, 637 posts
30 Dec 2009 5:24PM
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LUCAS123 said...

i flew a 12 mtr 2010 naish torch the otherday in 8-12 knts and was powered enough to unhook and pull some moves and it didnt turn slow for a big kite either, 14 or 16 mtr torch would be awsome light wind kites


It sounds logical, but it is not true. Just because a kite is bigger, it may not be a better light wind kite, and it may not necessarily fly upwind the same degree as her smaller sisters. Some of the larger kites that I demoed during the last few years needed considerable wind to move close to the edge of the wind window. The Ozone light 15 or 14 (?) m I tried last year was the most impressive for light wind. But the Flysurfers seem to be winning the light wind game on my local.

cwamit
WA, 1194 posts
30 Dec 2009 6:37PM
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Nothing beats a flysurfer with water relaunch in light winds , that's for me a big factor for a light wind kite , sure a 19 meter inflatable can get you going in 12 but try relaunching in water that kite with the added water wet weight and it's a pig, flysurfers leading edge down just reverse launch direct downwind or trailing edge direct downwind and can "hot launch" by pulling the two center lines . Inflatables usually need to be put onto their back in light winds and even then the line drag can make the kite twist and distort and not want to relaunch.

I own a 15 meter speed two and have owned 16 meter inflatable, I hardly use my speed but I hardly kite in light winds unless I'm desperate after three weeks of no wind or on holidays.

31 Dec 2009 11:50AM
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Flying High said...

Thanks everyone for the feedback.
I dont know too much about the foil kites other than what I have read on various forums, they sound exciting but there are not too many around where I kite. I also think it is difficult to find a demo in Sydney.
Again the EH Ovando looks great but the distributors are in Qld so a demo is difficult.
I will definitely demo the Ozone Kites in the new year if KP in Sydney have them available and make a decision then. The Zephyr sounds pretty good at this stage.
One last question, the replacement for the light is that going to be a entry level, light wind or surf orientated kite


Kitepower Sydney has demo Ozone Zephyr and Flysurfer 15M Speed3 and 12M Speed3 as well as Psycho4 10M, we also have demo light wind boards.

The new Light will be called the Catalyst, it will be an allrounder with an orientation to surf. The Zephyr is the go for light wind conditions if you want a poump up kite, it turns well and can be relaunched down to around 8-10 knots.

The Flysurfer Speed3 15M has approx the same power as the Zephyr, but has an easier upwind quality, and a better feeling top end. Both kites have huge wind range, I weigh 75kg and can hang on to either kite to over 20 knots on a TT, but would rig down by that time to something smaller if the wind was sustained 20 knots+.
Self launching and self landing on both kites is super easy.

I have a used 14M Light XC that I am selling, and I also have a demo 17M zephyr to clear too.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

malfi66
QLD, 181 posts
2 Jan 2010 10:29AM
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Hi Guys

I'm also considering a light wind kite. I'm 95kg riding a Cardboard 136x41.5 dual conc board.

As always my concern with the flysurfers is the performance. The pump ups in the smaller sizes turn faster, harder and jump higher. I know the 17m speed turns like the Titanic and hence doesn't really jump or perform how I would like. Maybe I'm asking too much of a bigger kite?

Overall the foils to me don't give you the performance. But then we're getting into
the foils Vs pumps and that's been done over and over, and it's really just a personal choice and what style you enjoy riding.

So I'll be interested to try the Zephyr and Ovando and Speeds.

Mal

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
2 Jan 2010 11:16AM
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Zephyr...... the best light wind kite I have flown.

8 knot days aren't so bad now. 10 -12 knot days so much fun

The Zephyr has opened up so many more kiting opportunities for me now. :)

totally stoked!!

MegsH
1 posts
3 Jan 2010 10:31AM
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Anyone tried both the Zephyr and the Ovando (13m)? Would be good to hear an objective opinion on whether these two are comparable. There is a rather long thread on kiteforum which turned into a bit of a pimping contest with nobody having tried both kites. kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2361510

I have a 14m Torch as my biggest kite and have recently tried the Zephyr in light wind with a very big board. I was impressed but then again it is a 17m kite which is much bigger than I have ever tried before. If the 13m Ovando has anywhere near the same low end (as the claims would have you believe) then this would be a very worthwhile option.

Scrotus
SA, 117 posts
4 Jan 2010 7:51AM
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Dont think you can compare the 13 to the ozone 17....

Im about to order a flysurfer 19m speed 3 DE, I think this would be the best light wind kite, the ozone 17m sounds nice although you cant beat foils when it comes to light wind and they wont fall out the sky so easy.

I was out kiting here in Dubai and was on a 15m R&D and a door board 166cm /48cm (hired the gear) most other guys were on 12 to 15m kites, and everyone was walking about 150m after each 2-3min run out on the water.

The wind meter read 8-13kts. .

There was a speed 2 on the water and a speed 3, they were jumping and cutting hard up wind with regular sized twin tips - the guy on the speed 3 was even doing kiteloops.

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
4 Jan 2010 9:04AM
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The racing scene in europe has really focused on gaining more and more low wind performance. which in turn has prompted some kite design energy into this area.

this link has some interesting statements from not only one of the industries most credentialed kite designer but also a serious course racer.

http://www.zeeko-kites.com/shop.php?produit=Notus%202010%2014LW



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