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Now - This is a real "AIR"

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Created by JohnnoKeys > 9 months ago, 4 May 2010
JohnnoKeys
WA, 551 posts
4 May 2010 8:11PM
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LOVE the strapless fashion scene, NOT .....

LOVE the strapped boyz ..... ME included , NOT.....all as boring as a long, hot, weekend in Perth .....

Yet again, our MENTOR , is showing ALL surfers and kiters on surfboards the way forward ..........


Mr Slater - Brazil April 2010.....



sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
4 May 2010 8:18PM
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riiiight.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
4 May 2010 8:23PM
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JohnnoKeys said...

LOVE the strapless fashion scene, NOT .....

LOVE the strapped boyz ..... ME included , NOT.....all as boring as a long, hot, weekend in Perth .....

Yet again, our MENTOR , is showing ALL surfers and kiters on surfboards the way forward ..........


Mr Slater - Brazil April 2010.....






Johnno,
What are you trying to say, man ?
Your post is blurred like the photo.

Spacemonkey!
SA, 2288 posts
4 May 2010 11:45PM
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"but powered, monster airs need straps, don't they ?"

Here is a challenge 'slave,
Find a bigger air than that with foot straps.
Also it can't be a boost.

Lol.

Here is a previous attempt for all the people playing at home.

coreyb
WA, 463 posts
5 May 2010 7:45AM
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Shouldnt be hard. This is just one I uploaded a litlle while back. Not quite as high as Kelly, but higher than the previous Mr Staps.



Ben De Jonge
WA, 819 posts
5 May 2010 9:10AM
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Clearly what Johnno is saying is that a huge air on a surf board without the lift/power assistance of a kite is much harder, far more technical, far less accessible to the average water user and therefore far, far, far more impressive.

And, let's face it, he's right.

Owen Wright has been pulling some mental-high airs lately too, see the latest ASL. This new crop of young pros is blowing the lid off surfing.

airhead
WA, 814 posts
5 May 2010 9:20AM
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Andy Irons is also up there with the best of 'em

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
5 May 2010 9:35AM
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Ben De Jonge said...

Clearly what Johnno is saying is that a huge air on a surf board without the lift/power assistance of a kite is much harder, far more technical, far less accessible to the average water user and therefore far, far, far more impressive.

And, let's face it, he's right.




Fine. ^^^
Thanks for stating the obvious.
Now why is kitesurfing being compared to surfing ?
They are different animals.
High-performance surfing is the coolest sport on the planet and kiting is a just mix of fag-gear.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 10:17AM
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It's because we are using surfboards, we need to use twin tips and straps hooked in to make it original. This is kitesurfing, not surfing.

Keahi
QLD, 851 posts
5 May 2010 12:18PM
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gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
5 May 2010 10:39AM
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Thanks Keahi, nice vid.

As far as I am concerned, it is winter and all air is good air and nobody on the planet gets air like this man.........

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
5 May 2010 11:42AM
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Wind back a bit further and 1st came Tony Hawk (and Hosoi etc), then came the Slater, then snowboarding, then wakeboarding, then finally kiting.

They all owe heaps to skating. Not saying one is better than the other but skating showed the way and the other disciplines paid attention.

Slater is in a class of his own IMHO. Same for Hawk. Kiting is sooo damn easy compared to surfing and skating they really shouldn't be compared.

BTW airs don't do it for me - I'd rather see Slater freesurfing and flowing with the ghost of Tom Curren in shotgun.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 11:54AM
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getfunky said...


Slater is in a class of his own IMHO. Same for Hawk.


Maybe back in the day, but I wouldn't say thats very true anymore. So many good guys out there these days in surf and skate. Perhaps especially in skateboarding, it's going absolutely nuts, I guess it's partially due to the easy entry barriers to the sport.

Surfing inspired skating in the beginning, hence the reason why there are "back lip" and "front lip" slides and grinds. It wasn't long until they realised that was lame and started doing their own thing. These days I would say just about every prominent board sport looks to or draws from skating for inspiration.

I do agree kiting is easy compared to surfing, but I also think surfing is easy compared to skating.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
5 May 2010 12:30PM
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KIT33R
NSW, 1714 posts
5 May 2010 2:31PM
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sirRowdy said ..

These days I would say just about every prominent board sport looks to or draws from skating for inspiration.


Interesting point. If you see Rich Stenning ride these days you'll see a lot of inspiration from skating especially when he kick flips his board.



harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
5 May 2010 2:41PM
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sir ROWDY said...

getfunky said...


Slater is in a class of his own IMHO. Same for Hawk.




I do agree kiting is easy compared to surfing, but I also think surfing is easy compared to skating.




There is no way Skating is harder than surfing........... you can have a newbie skating a halfpipe, ollie the curb within 6months, 6 months of surfing and they are lucky to even be able to duckdive properly and make it out the back....... let alone actually get pitted or smash the lip.





sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 12:52PM
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harry potter said...

sir ROWDY said...

getfunky said...


Slater is in a class of his own IMHO. Same for Hawk.




I do agree kiting is easy compared to surfing, but I also think surfing is easy compared to skating.






There is no way Skating is harder than surfing........... you can have a newbie skating a halfpipe, ollie the curb within 6months, 6 months of surfing and they are lucky to even be able to duckdive properly and make it out the back....... let alone actually get pitted or smash the lip.


Your comparing noob skating, to advanced surfing...

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
5 May 2010 2:57PM
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no I am not ....... I would not call making it out the back " advanced surfing " nor would I call riding a halfpipe noob skating........

Skating is easy to do but hard to be good at..

Surfing is hard to do and very hard do be good at..

If your idea of surfing is an 11ft Mal and 1ft of whitewater then yes i'd agree

kytesurfer
1 posts
5 May 2010 1:34PM
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Great vid, Keahi. Seeing all those airs sure beats watching the usual up-and-down-the-face surfing, which I have to admit can get a little boring... not that i'd ever get bored of watching waves mind you....

craggers
WA, 475 posts
5 May 2010 1:36PM
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i believe this will finalise the debate entirely.

its called 'progression'.

expect to see these attached to boards next season, surf and kite.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
5 May 2010 1:43PM
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Yep - it's true skating was just 'land surfing' until the late 70's then in the 80's it surpassed surfing to emerge as it's own sport with seperate disciplines (street/vert/freestyle) and a whole new dimension of board tricks, air etc etc came out. At that point surfing took notice and guys like Slater and Christian Fletcher began using essentially skate moves in their surfing. Later on so did the other water sports.

Just to clarify - when i said skating was harder than surfing i didn't mean at entry level I meant at the level where you start to get airborne.

Getting airborne is the easy part. Landing in one piece is where the skill level ramps up. Stuffing a landing in the water is a picnic compared to on a concrete bowl or half pipe.

BTW I don't skate thses days and was never much chop but having been in and around skating (boards and roller) waterskiing (slalom, trick, early wakeboarding) surfing, kiting etc etc I reckon in difficulty to start off it is:

surfing

windsurfing (jeesoos - here we go)

kiting

skating and wakeboarding/waterskiing

doing up velcro shoes.



At the expert level IMHO

Skating is ahead by virtue of having to involve aspects of all former disciplines and the level that the bar is at these day.

then surfing - IMHO competition surfing has gone waaaayyy backwards and is as boring to watch as kite comps. Ratsh!t epileptic fits on water. However freesurfing and the kahunas shown by paddling into big@rsed swell and riding 'power lines' is awesome.



I have left out windsurfing here cause i am not wise to the state of upper level poling.


Kiting, wakeboarding etc etc are far behind skating and surfing i reckon.

Velcro shoes.

Just my 2c tho.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 1:45PM
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harry potter said...

no I am not ....... I would not call making it out the back " advanced surfing " nor would I call riding a halfpipe noob skating........

Skating is easy to do but hard to be good at..

Surfing is hard to do and very hard do be good at..

If your idea of surfing is an 11ft Mal and 1ft of whitewater then yes i'd agree


Thats a bit double standard isn't it? saying that skating is rolling in a halfpipe or learning to ollie (which is way harder than you may think) but then not letting me compare that to riding an 11ft Mal in 1ft of whitewater (which is still surfing)... hahaha.

Skating is fairly easy to do if all you want to do is roll around... likewise surfing, if all you want to do is surf small waves on a big mal.
Seeing we both agree on that and we are talking in a topic regarding advanced maneuvers such as airs, I'm going to take a stab and say we are talking about the advanced side of things.

I don't know what you call advanced skating or whether you can skate, but if you can you would know that stuff like lazer flips down stairs and skating handrails or doing advanced tricks in big vert is both harder technically and physically on your body than surfing.
Don't get me wrong, to be good at surfing is bloody hard and takes a lot of skill, but personally I know which sport I would rather make a pro career in if I had to, it would be surfing as it takes far less of a toll on your body.

There is a good reason most pro skaters are complete wack jobs, it's because anyone who actually wants to put their body through the things a pro skater has to do to be pro is a wackjob.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
5 May 2010 2:19PM
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This guy realised hanging out in a motorhome and being a cr@p actor was far better fro the body.



sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 2:29PM
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Thats a long front board funky. Where's the spot? I see you got the old gum soles on.

loverboy
WA, 614 posts
5 May 2010 2:38PM
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isn't that jason lee ?

btw- i am good at neither sport but skating has more bruises and makes you pay your dues way heavier than surfing in my opinion.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 2:44PM
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loverboy said...

isn't that jason lee ?

btw- i am good at neither sport but skating has more bruises and makes you pay your dues way heavier than surfing in my opinion.


hahaha, was actually gonna say funky you look a lot like Jason Lee and from that photo must be pretty good at skating... haha. btw Jason Lee still owns his own skate brand (stereo) and skate a little.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
5 May 2010 2:48PM
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Yep - it's Jason Lee. The only rail slides I have ever done have been attempting to leave nightculbs down the back steps.

Yeh Rowdy - you're right that is a long-ish nosed board. Must have been close to the end of his skating days?

Amazingly he didn't end up a crack fiend, murderer or degenerate. Woeful actor tho. OT but Chasing Amy (JL was not the worst in this Kevin Smith bollocks of a film BTW) is alongside The science of sleep as my all time worst films.

Ha ha - just remembered Slater dated Pammy in here heyday and even had a crack at actoring in Bay watch! Ba ha ha ha. Even the god of surfing is human.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
5 May 2010 2:52PM
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Nah a "front board" is the trick he is doing.

Everyone should watch "mallrats" it's probably his best acting to date hahaha.

Paul1
QLD, 1011 posts
5 May 2010 5:16PM
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Here's a guy that can teacher Slater what's what with big airs.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
5 May 2010 4:24PM
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sir ROWDY said...

Nah a "front board" is the trick he is doing.

Everyone should watch "mallrats" it's probably his best acting to date hahaha.




Showing my age. Stale fish airs and kick flips were the biz in my day. Take me back to Bulleen bowl on my Ozi concave!

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
5 May 2010 6:46PM
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That Kerr vid was so sick....



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