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Ozone Edge wind range

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Created by Peacedog > 9 months ago, 10 May 2013
Peacedog
2 posts
10 May 2013 12:19PM
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I'm about to buy some new Edge kites and wondered if anyone out there currently riding 2013 Edges could give me some feedback on sizes.

it would be great to cover a 10 - 30 knot wind range and although 3 kites would be cool realistically its only gonna be 2.

85kg, Underground Styx 135x41, just for boosting and general free riding.

what 2 sizes would you get if you were me?

eppo
WA, 9579 posts
10 May 2013 2:06PM
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What will you be mainly riding in, wind wise. Where is 90 percent on your winds?

If it is at the lower end, with some winds up to the 30's then you'd be better of going a zephyr and a 10m edge with that one board.

If you got another more efficient lighter wind board (even a SB) then a 15 edge/10.

If your winds are more in the middle then a 13/10 would work with two boards, but you will be at your limit 25-30 and will need to bring your best. The edge 10m can handle near 30 but can you?

In my mind after 13m the edge loses its freeride capabilities. Get's too slow to turn and becomes a real 'race' kite.

If I was you I'd consider another board as well, even just a second hand job, doesn't have to be expensive...and try and fit into a 13/10 or 13/9 combo if your winds are more on the upper side.

Kurt Savage
QLD, 138 posts
10 May 2013 4:22PM
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90kg run 10/13 edges and have two twin tips.
Covers me in fun range from 13/14 - 30kts.

They have a huge range but normal sweet spot of around 5-6kts in the middle to high of their full range.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
10 May 2013 2:58PM
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If you know your stuff and have a very good edging efficient board then a 10 will go upto 30knts you can even put an extra knot in the bridle pig tails which closes the kite face and let's you eek a bit more wind out of your kite, plus the new zephyr will let you ride from 9knts to low 20s, itlll boost better than a big edge turn quicker and depower better, I've had the edges since their release and all models of the zephyr, I've always had a cat 8 edges9 and 11 and a zephyr, this year. I've gone to a 7 and 10 edge with the new zephyr, is say its been my best quiver yet 40 to 9 knts, the new zephyr is a very refined kite

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
10 May 2013 6:37PM
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I had 5 old kites when I bought my first Edge, 11m and I was about 85-90kgs.

I sold all 5 other kites - including the best BFK 21m that Kurt sold me. (actually it flew beautifully but took about a week to pump up eh Kurt )

I still have that 08? edge 2 11m and it has never given me a single problem. Been all around the world and works 15kts to max (I've had it out gusting 35kts and that's as much as I'd go out in).

That leaves the 10 to 18kt range - I covered it with a Zephyr 17m.

For me, 11m & 17m works, but now I"m closer to 100kgs I'd probably get a 13m instead.

Kurt Savage
QLD, 138 posts
10 May 2013 6:58PM
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Yes - loved those BFK's for sure!

Forgot to mention I always have run a custom bar setup - full depower range of kite at the bar and qpro lines ( big difference imo).

No stuffing around with settings - I have full range at the bar.

I have my brand new 10m '13 ozone bar for sale - not one query in 2-3 weeks!

eppo
WA, 9579 posts
10 May 2013 7:42PM
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I only weigh 75kg so I went the 14m cat instead of the Zephyr. Well it was forced on me by my partner who bought it for my 40th. But all things considered I'd still rather be on a fast turning cat than a 17m zephyr. That being said the zephyr is a beautiful well thought out design and if I was 85 that's what I'd get. And the 10m edge well that's just an outstanding size.

So two kite quiver my vote goes with Cauncy plus he knows his edges and Zephyrs better than most. You'd do we'll to take his advice.

10 May 2013 10:06PM
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Its a big gap between sizes if you went 17 Zephyr or Edge and then a 10 Edge. I think you would need 2 boards to cover a 10 - 30 knot range anyway, so if you got an appropriate sized light wind board, then a 15 Edge, or even a 13 would be what I'd recommend. Not even the Zephyr or Edge will get you going in 10 knots on a 1.35x41 board.

eppo
WA, 9579 posts
10 May 2013 8:36PM
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Agreed still maintain you will need another board. That way you will also increase the range and overlap of your two kites, more so than if you got thrEE kites.

I all ways have two boards with me, gives you so much more latitude to move that sweet spot given the wind and kite. I actually have three, a very efficient light wind skim, a medium wind carver and a higher wind freestyle TT, with some overlap with the two Depending on swell conditions

NthScb
WA, 73 posts
12 May 2013 5:19PM
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Peacedog, I have a 9m and 11m edge 2011 and I weigh a couple of kilos more than you. I get the 11m out from 15 knots to about 25 knots. I don't really bother if it is less than 15 knots but I could ride it from about 13 knots. I ride the 9m from about 20 to 30 knots. I can ride it when it is stronger but a smaller kite would be better. I have posted a video on here before when I was riding the 9m in 35 knots. I was getting large airs but couldn't really do much else as I was too overpowered. The best combination for me would be an 11m and an 8m but the edge doesn't come in an 8m.

NthScb
WA, 73 posts
12 May 2013 5:27PM
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...and if you want to see the video it is here.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
12 May 2013 10:23PM
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Nice vid

eppo
WA, 9579 posts
12 May 2013 8:35PM
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Yeh classic vision. A typical session with my bro and I going big On a crazy edge session.

Plummet
4862 posts
13 May 2013 3:11AM
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Well tho its possible to do 10-30 on 2 kites it wont be comfortable. you will need at least 3 kites otherwise you will be underpowered/overpowered at times.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
13 May 2013 7:46AM
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Plummet said...
Well tho its possible to do 10-30 on 2 kites it wont be comfortable. you will need at least 3 kites otherwise you will be underpowered/overpowered at times.


Sorry its not impossible I've got the sizes and do it regular, it depends on what you class over powered or uncomfortably overpowered,imo the will and has been a given wind when you wish you had another kite or your name was eppo, if that videos correct he's doing a good job riding his 9 in 35knts fully powered on the trim, which makes a depowered 10 in 30 ok , but overpowered, Yeh 3 is much better even 4 kites but financially not possible for some,

13 May 2013 10:52AM
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...and if you want to see the video it is here.
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I think you spent as much time in the air as you did on the water, and some of those were very big jumps, equal to or higher than other kiters lines.

Peacedog
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13 May 2013 9:11AM
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Solid advice thanks guys, I'm glad I asked.

I'm intrigued by a 10m Edge / 17m Zephyr combo with the addition of a light wind board so think I'll give that a crack pending financial approval from the missus.

New territory for me as in 6 years kiting I have never owned anything bigger than 13m as I assumed they would be a pig to fly and not worth the gains at the bottom end of the wind range, but it sounds like big kites have come a long way in that time. Yeah 7m is a big gap between kite sizes but I can see how owning a 2nd board would really help increase the overlap. Plus it sounds like a Zephyr is going to be a better option for boosting and having fun on than a 13 or 15m Edge (my original considerations) with a similar wind range.

Any advice on an appropriate board to get me boosting in 10 knots with a Zephyr? I know nothing about light wind boards.

Plummet
4862 posts
13 May 2013 10:19AM
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Plummet said...
Well tho its possible to do 10-30 on 2 kites it wont be comfortable. you will need at least 3 kites otherwise you will be underpowered/overpowered at times.


Sorry its not impossible I've got the sizes and do it regular, it depends on what you class over powered or uncomfortably overpowered,imo the will and has been a given wind when you wish you had another kite or your name was eppo, if that videos correct he's doing a good job riding his 9 in 35knts fully powered on the trim, which makes a depowered 10 in 30 ok , but overpowered, Yeh 3 is much better even 4 kites but financially not possible for some,


I didn't say impossible just uncomfortable at times either too powered or not powered enough. Either a vast style change is required or its boring or just holding on getting the rip squeeze.

personally I have a decadent 5 kite quiver. I love the decadence and I love riding in the sweet spot of each kite.
15 speed 10-20 range, sweet spot 14-18
13edge 13-25 range, sweet spot 16-22
10c4 18-30 range, sweet spot 20-25
8cat 20-35 range, sweet spot 25-33
6reo 25-40+ range, sweet spot 30-38

Now if I was to reduce myself to a 2 kit quiver for the wind range chosen 10-30 knots i'd ditch go 13 and 9 in the edge range.
I'd sacrifice a couple of knots low end. maybe get a skim board for dicking around sub 13 knots. the 13m would do me 13-25 knots and the 9 18-30. I'd have a nice cross over between 18 and 22 when either kite would work very nicely and I could chose the style I want for the day.

If I chose 17 zep/edge 10 edge. thered be a space around 17-20 knots when the zep was fully lit and the 10 only just charging... plus i'd be fully rib squeazed closed to 30. .....

My thought. Ask yourself what is the best wind conditions you enjoy the most? then buy the perfect kite for those conditions. then build a quiver up around that primary kite. either bigger or smaller depending on your location and style.




eppo
WA, 9579 posts
13 May 2013 11:36AM
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If I chose 17 zep/edge 10 edge. thered be a space around 17-20 knots when the zep was fully lit and the 10 only just charging... plus i'd be fully rib squeazed closed to 30. .....


yeh i'd say I would agree with this analysis based on the 10m edge I ride. My weight and style is kind of what lent me to the 14m cat for that reason. But there are times when I would rather be on a zephyr and there are times when I'd rather be on a 13m edge as well, which would have a much better bottom end that the Cat 14m I reckon for keeping your ground. My bro's 11m edge competes with the cat 14m nicely except at the real low end. That 13m edge on an efficient board could have a bloody good low end if ya not too heavy.

Then again was in just marginal wind conditions on saturday, with double head waves so i was real glad I was on the cat then. it's faster turning and instant Cish grunt as well as drift saved me from disaster quite a few times.

My bro on his edge lost the speed needed for that wind on a huge wave given the sketchy wind and currently his Mako 140 (2013) is somewhere in the Indian Ocean...swell was to large to find it! if someone down Mandurha ways comes across it or you see one for sale, you Can be sure it is his and let me know so I can pay a respectful visit.

Always a compromise hey in the end.

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
13 May 2013 2:13PM
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The edge is so good, it provides the ultimate in juicy boostyness.
I also also love c-kites though, they provide the ultimate in flicky whippyness.

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
13 May 2013 3:41PM
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The old zephyr used to get a bit heavy in the 17 to 20s but still very well behaved, the new zephyr however is a completly different kite as those who have changed will testify, perfect example on Saturday, put up the zephyr in 13 knts and still rode fully powered until sunset close to 20knts with 2 other kiters , 1 on a ikon 10mtr less power than an edge, but he was galloping around, and another on a10switchy, also going well, this new zephyr has an even better top end compared to my last 2 models, and I could see it still being stable at 25knts,

eppo
WA, 9579 posts
13 May 2013 4:47PM
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There you go and fair enough.

AndyHansen
WA, 278 posts
13 May 2013 4:56PM
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The old zephyr used to get a bit heavy in the 17 to 20s but still very well behaved, the new zephyr however is a completly different kite as those who have changed will testify, perfect example on Saturday, put up the zephyr in 13 knts and still rode fully powered until sunset close to 20knts with 2 other kiters , 1 on a ikon 10mtr less power than an edge, but he was galloping around, and another on a10switchy, also going well, this new zephyr has an even better top end compared to my last 2 models, and I could see it still being stable at 25knts,



Saw a zephyr up at Safety bay on Saturday, and must say was envious through the lulls.... i had up a 2013 13m edge & a light wind board but as the lulls came through early on there just wasnt enough for the 13 to keep me going, .... the zephyr just powered past me!!!
Then the wind kicked in, i think to every bodies surprise... the 13m was lit and the zephyr still looked comfortable! looks to be an awesome kite.
Got a 19m edge on the way... second guessing if the zephyr would have been a better all rounder option to compliment the 13m :)

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
13 May 2013 5:03PM
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the 13m was lit and the zephyr still looked comfortable! looks to be an awesome kite.
Got a 19m edge on the way... second guessing if the zephyr would have been a better all rounder option to compliment the 13m :)


if for racing i would say no , if for freeriding then yer go the zephyr

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
13 May 2013 5:35PM
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AndyHansen said..

the 13m was lit and the zephyr still looked comfortable! looks to be an awesome kite.
Got a 19m edge on the way... second guessing if the zephyr would have been a better all rounder option to compliment the 13m :)


if for racing i would say no , if for freeriding then yer go the zephyr


Spot on dusta, if you lay the new zephyr and current edge deflated they look very similar in outline up in the air the zephyr is more square or box shaped , the zephyr is imo close or on a par upwind with an edge, its a dream to fly, park it 100mm off the water whilst riding and it requires hardly any input at the bar, the boost is far superior than the old, with a very controlled float and big hangtime, I love doing big jumping transitions and its beautifully controled in this department, but for sheer speed although great it ain't a current edge, not many kites are



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