I hate used both Hybrids and Matresses
Ever tried to take a drink from a bottle with a screw top on a bow, your time limited ;)
auto zenth isnt as fast as you guys make out, anything below like
10 and 2 its doesnt come up all that quick.
make getting in you board really easy
but with a bow i can sheet out in lighter winds and paddle that 3m upwind to ma board ;)
Well you could compare it to windsurfing with a mast u made out ova flagpole and sails from some realy kooky looking rod orange /earthy colour and then its all up to how good the sailer was,
Well how good was the punk???
From reading the Auto Zeneth is designed into the kite.
From experience its just a slight drift upwards. I like being able to park the kite and know its still going to be there.
its not bad knowing that if you wipe out on a wave and let go of the bar the kite more often than not is floating above your head when you pop up again.
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Originally posted by RayQ
Well you could compare it to windsurfing with a mast u made out ova flagpole and sails from some realy kooky looking rod orange /earthy colour and then its all up to how good the sailer was,
Well how good was the punk???
I agree with macca, its more than a slight drift upward, and it is really only strong from about 10 to 2, the older Arcs were very pronouced at the auto zenith, you could fly them to the ground, let go of the bar and they would climb back to the zenith.
Below 9 and 3, on the Venoms the kite can and will most likely end up in the water if you let go of the bar.
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve
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Originally posted by eightfootplus
From reading the Auto Zeneth is designed into the kite.
From experience its just a slight drift upwards. I like being able to park the kite and know its still going to be there.
its not bad knowing that if you wipe out on a wave and let go of the bar the kite more often than not is floating above your head when you pop up again.
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Originally posted by gruezi
You have such a way with words Wavey.
PL kites are cool, just different, I've never had a bad time on one. The "auto zenith" can make the whole kite experience quite enjoyable.
Ever flown one Slave?
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Originally posted by waveslave
You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.
inflatos go where you tell them to(i.e. you control them). If you haven't find the correct spot for the current wind speed, board speed, edge control etc then they will "appear" to steer down.
As far as i can tell, the mattresses like to fly a little bit by themselves so less kite control is required. Great for beginners who need more time to find their board etc. Not so good when you get better and want to control the kite.
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Originally posted by Kitepower Australiaquote:
Originally posted by waveslave
You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.
He never asnwered you did he gruezi, so I thinks it s safe bet he has never flown one.
The upwards pull on a Venom or Venom 2 is mild, and only from above 10 to 2
All inflato kite steer down when you let go of the bar and the kite is parked, at about the same amount that a Venom will steer up.
This nonsense about "kite stays parked at 9 while riding" (or at any time) is a fairy tale born in the addled and tired mind of the slave.
So why do inflatos steer down?
Cya and
Goodwinds
Steve
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Originally posted by meerkat
inflatos go where you tell them to(i.e. you control them). If you haven't find the correct spot for the current wind speed, board speed, edge control etc then they will "appear" to steer down.
As far as i can tell, the mattresses like to fly a little bit by themselves so less kite control is required. Great for beginners who need more time to find their board etc. Not so good when you get better and want to control the kite.
i didn't mean that they are ONLY for beginners, just that the auto-zenith thingey is great for a beginner, have seen some very advanced tricks down with them as well.
Not to sure how good they are in the surf though. Would have thought a faster turning kite would have been preferred.
They seem to be OK .Aron Jarman won the waveriding nats for the last 2 years on one .Oh thats right he is from another planet so it doesn't count.
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Originally posted by meerkat
i didn't mean that they are ONLY for beginners, just that the auto-zenith thingey is great for a beginner, have seen some very advanced tricks down with them as well.
Not to sure how good they are in the surf though. Would have thought a faster turning kite would have been preferred.
"A kite with a mind of its own.
Forever wanting to fly to heaven.
No wonder sleeping-baggers always seem to ride with the doona at 12.00 o'clock.
They must be tired too.(Just like the Chinese girl).
Tired from the continual tugging on the front of their bar.
Never allowed to ride one-handed using the back hand only.
Never allowed to ride with their front arm free flapping in the breeze.
Never allowed to rest half their body.
They're tired. "
Ok the doona brigade mattress lovers surrender,(there msut be some other really clever names out there) ,you and the other guys who have never flown one, but just don't understand, win
I'm off to burn mine now and have a nice long sleep
Nitey ni
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Originally posted by waveslave
That KP, lol.
No flies on Steve.
So here's the rub.
That kite that I first experienced 'auto-zenith' with....
It wasn't a PL doona.
It was an inflato.
That's right.
Some of the old inflatos had the auto-zenith feature built-in to their design as well.
So there you go.
Peter Lynn doesn't hold an exclusive patent over 'auto-zenith'.
Maybe he holds a patent for a flying mattress.
haha
Who knows ?
Check the records.
Patent information is freely open to the public domain.
International patent laws were primarily drafted to aid full disclosure,
(as well as offer legal protection for infringement) of new inventions,
rather than encourage secrecy and eventual piracy.
Anyway,
I won't reveal the brand or model of the auto-zenithing inflato.
It's not my place to slag-off kite brands and models on a public forum.
That's the job of the kite-pimp.
It's a dead model now anyway so let it rest in pieces.
ps. I can give you a clue if you want ?
< The inflato was a C-kite.>
hahahaha
Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?
Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.
Lucky mum got me up to do a wee oherwise i might have missed this one .yes there is very grainy with aron a dot on the wave but you can see him and wave and kite (particularly the down the line bit in the middle )there are some other arcy vids too that stinkygoat took and put together (kinawera)
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Originally posted by meerkat
Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float, any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?
Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.
quote:Watch the kite ,the kite tells all
Originally posted by meerkat
Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float, any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?
Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.
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[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
Slave you are full of Bullsh1t !!!
There never was an inflato that auto zenithed.
Name it.
Its the 16 m he is on
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Originally posted by meerkat
Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float, any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?
Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.
Sounds like you've succumbed to the evil master plan.12 o'clock flat
kites,with upright riders,rocketing upwind,no edging, no jumping.
Is there any hope for the rest of us!!!
here's an oldie but a goodie from 4 yrs ago .Steffan cook is the guy in the waves early (a long suffering PLK rider now heads up their kiteboat project)Nothing of the kite tho but you can get the gist .
Some stuff with Jarman too and Kiwi Dave at the end
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Originally posted by meerkat
Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float, any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?
Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.
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Originally posted by waveslavequote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia
Slave you are full of Bullsh1t !!!
There never was an inflato that auto zenithed.
Name it.
Oh yeah,
You want a bet ??
Anyway,
My old inflato is history now.
It auto-zenithed to heaven.
Look,
I'm into flat kites now.
And they have manual-zenith.
Push the bar to the knot....
the kite heads north.
Manual-zenith.
I'm in control.
The guy holding the bar.
ME.
I think wave is not the only one who bags kites he hasn't flown. I hear critics of venoms at most places that I kite. They all seem to harp on about relaunch and auto Z.Wave has just helped us to see that.
(maybe he's an undercover arc flyer just trying to point out the obvious, that everyone's an expert)
def. expert- a person who knows more and more about less and less untill he knows everything about f*** all!
ps- I'm not having a go at the vasst majority of kiters who are more than fair minded.