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Forums > Kitesurfing General

PL kites auto-zenith?

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Created by mrbonk > 9 months ago, 23 Apr 2007
Macca Wollongong
NSW, 295 posts
25 Apr 2007 11:15PM
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I hate used both Hybrids and Matresses

Ever tried to take a drink from a bottle with a screw top on a bow, your time limited ;)

auto zenth isnt as fast as you guys make out, anything below like
10 and 2 its doesnt come up all that quick.

make getting in you board really easy

but with a bow i can sheet out in lighter winds and paddle that 3m upwind to ma board ;)

RayQ
WA, 635 posts
25 Apr 2007 10:20PM
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Well you could compare it to windsurfing with a mast u made out ova flagpole and sails from some realy kooky looking rod orange /earthy colour and then its all up to how good the sailer was,
Well how good was the punk???

eightfootplus
NSW, 298 posts
26 Apr 2007 12:39AM
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From reading the Auto Zeneth is designed into the kite.

From experience its just a slight drift upwards. I like being able to park the kite and know its still going to be there.

its not bad knowing that if you wipe out on a wave and let go of the bar the kite more often than not is floating above your head when you pop up again.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
26 Apr 2007 10:04AM
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quote:
Originally posted by RayQ

Well you could compare it to windsurfing with a mast u made out ova flagpole and sails from some realy kooky looking rod orange /earthy colour and then its all up to how good the sailer was,
Well how good was the punk???




dwmc
WA, 60 posts
26 Apr 2007 9:14PM
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could it be true...PMU is with us???

27 Apr 2007 9:30AM
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I agree with macca, its more than a slight drift upward, and it is really only strong from about 10 to 2, the older Arcs were very pronouced at the auto zenith, you could fly them to the ground, let go of the bar and they would climb back to the zenith.

Below 9 and 3, on the Venoms the kite can and will most likely end up in the water if you let go of the bar.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

quote:
Originally posted by eightfootplus

From reading the Auto Zeneth is designed into the kite.

From experience its just a slight drift upwards. I like being able to park the kite and know its still going to be there.

its not bad knowing that if you wipe out on a wave and let go of the bar the kite more often than not is floating above your head when you pop up again.



Tonewolf
382 posts
29 Apr 2007 2:30PM
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wavey is a slave to his own dilusions

bite me.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
30 Apr 2007 8:59AM
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quote:
Originally posted by gruezi

You have such a way with words Wavey.

PL kites are cool, just different, I've never had a bad time on one. The "auto zenith" can make the whole kite experience quite enjoyable.

Ever flown one Slave?



The first time I experienced this 'auto-zenith' thing was many years ago.
I was riding along flying the kite,
and naturally I immediately thought that there was something wrong with the sack of sh!t.

The rigging was faulty perhaps ?
The kite must be broken ?
Maybe the Chinese girl did some bad sewing because she was tired.
Tired from working 15 hour shifts in the sweat-shop.

Anyway,
The kite was flying to a position in the sky without any input from me....?
Me, the operator..
The guy holding the bar.
What the ?

Later..
Back at the beach,
I was told about 'auto-zenith' and how wonderful it was.
This confused me.

You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.

The auto-zenith thing reminded me of a car badly in need of a front-wheel alignment.
The car relentlessly pulling one-way,
while the driver desperately pulls the other way to correct.

A kite with a mind of its own.
Forever wanting to fly to heaven.
No wonder sleeping-baggers always seem to ride with the doona at 12.00 o'clock.
They must be tired too.(Just like the Chinese girl).
Tired from the continual tugging on the front of their bar.
Never allowed to ride one-handed using the back hand only.
Never allowed to ride with their front arm free flapping in the breeze.
Never allowed to rest half their body.
They're tired.

poor relative
WA, 9091 posts
30 Apr 2007 9:08AM
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'slave...you carck me up LMFAO

30 Apr 2007 1:21PM
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quote:
Originally posted by waveslave
You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.



He never asnwered you did he gruezi, so I thinks it s safe bet he has never flown one.
The upwards pull on a Venom or Venom 2 is mild, and only from above 10 to 2

All inflato kite steer down when you let go of the bar and the kite is parked, at about the same amount that a Venom will steer up.

This nonsense about "kite stays parked at 9 while riding" (or at any time) is a fairy tale born in the addled and tired mind of the slave.

So why do inflatos steer down?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
30 Apr 2007 11:41AM
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inflatos go where you tell them to(i.e. you control them). If you haven't find the correct spot for the current wind speed, board speed, edge control etc then they will "appear" to steer down.

As far as i can tell, the mattresses like to fly a little bit by themselves so less kite control is required. Great for beginners who need more time to find their board etc. Not so good when you get better and want to control the kite.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
30 Apr 2007 12:56PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

quote:
Originally posted by waveslave
You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.



He never asnwered you did he gruezi, so I thinks it s safe bet he has never flown one.
The upwards pull on a Venom or Venom 2 is mild, and only from above 10 to 2

All inflato kite steer down when you let go of the bar and the kite is parked, at about the same amount that a Venom will steer up.

This nonsense about "kite stays parked at 9 while riding" (or at any time) is a fairy tale born in the addled and tired mind of the slave.

So why do inflatos steer down?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve





That KP, lol.
No flies on Steve.

So here's the rub.
That kite that I first experienced 'auto-zenith' with....
It wasn't a PL doona.
It was an inflato.

That's right.
Some of the old inflatos had the auto-zenith feature built-in to their design as well.

So there you go.
Peter Lynn doesn't hold an exclusive patent over 'auto-zenith'.
Maybe he holds a patent for a flying mattress.
haha
Who knows ?
Check the records.
Patent information is freely open to the public domain.
International patent laws were primarily drafted to aid full disclosure,
(as well as offer legal protection for infringement) of new inventions,
rather than encourage secrecy and eventual piracy.

Anyway,
I won't reveal the brand or model of the auto-zenithing inflato.
It's not my place to slag-off kite brands and models on a public forum.
That's the job of the kite-pimp.
It's a dead model now anyway so let it rest in pieces.

ps. I can give you a clue if you want ?
< The inflato was a C-kite.>
hahahaha

ellery
VIC, 187 posts
30 Apr 2007 4:06PM
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quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

inflatos go where you tell them to(i.e. you control them). If you haven't find the correct spot for the current wind speed, board speed, edge control etc then they will "appear" to steer down.

As far as i can tell, the mattresses like to fly a little bit by themselves so less kite control is required. Great for beginners who need more time to find their board etc. Not so good when you get better and want to control the kite.



Agree, that less kite control is required. But that doesn't mean that it's not good for experienced flyers as well. Especially in the waves. The amount of times i've wiped out and the puppy just stays up in the air.

Cheers
James

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
30 Apr 2007 2:39PM
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i didn't mean that they are ONLY for beginners, just that the auto-zenith thingey is great for a beginner, have seen some very advanced tricks down with them as well.

Not to sure how good they are in the surf though. Would have thought a faster turning kite would have been preferred.

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
30 Apr 2007 5:40PM
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They seem to be OK .Aron Jarman won the waveriding nats for the last 2 years on one .Oh thats right he is from another planet so it doesn't count.

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

i didn't mean that they are ONLY for beginners, just that the auto-zenith thingey is great for a beginner, have seen some very advanced tricks down with them as well.

Not to sure how good they are in the surf though. Would have thought a faster turning kite would have been preferred.

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
30 Apr 2007 5:47PM
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"A kite with a mind of its own.
Forever wanting to fly to heaven.
No wonder sleeping-baggers always seem to ride with the doona at 12.00 o'clock.
They must be tired too.(Just like the Chinese girl).
Tired from the continual tugging on the front of their bar.
Never allowed to ride one-handed using the back hand only.
Never allowed to ride with their front arm free flapping in the breeze.
Never allowed to rest half their body.
They're tired. "

Ok the doona brigade mattress lovers surrender,(there msut be some other really clever names out there) ,you and the other guys who have never flown one, but just don't understand, win

I'm off to burn mine now and have a nice long sleep
Nitey ni

30 Apr 2007 6:11PM
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quote:
Originally posted by waveslave
That KP, lol.
No flies on Steve.

So here's the rub.
That kite that I first experienced 'auto-zenith' with....
It wasn't a PL doona.
It was an inflato.

That's right.
Some of the old inflatos had the auto-zenith feature built-in to their design as well.

So there you go.
Peter Lynn doesn't hold an exclusive patent over 'auto-zenith'.
Maybe he holds a patent for a flying mattress.
haha
Who knows ?
Check the records.
Patent information is freely open to the public domain.
International patent laws were primarily drafted to aid full disclosure,
(as well as offer legal protection for infringement) of new inventions,
rather than encourage secrecy and eventual piracy.

Anyway,
I won't reveal the brand or model of the auto-zenithing inflato.
It's not my place to slag-off kite brands and models on a public forum.
That's the job of the kite-pimp.
It's a dead model now anyway so let it rest in pieces.

ps. I can give you a clue if you want ?
< The inflato was a C-kite.>
hahahaha



I knew we would cop some LOL's
Slave you are full of Bullsh1t !!!
There never was an inflato that auto zenithed.
Name it.
As if it matters now, the model is not even made now, but it never did what you claimed anyway.
All C Shaped inflatos auto dive, and in the case of the early 2 liners and most 4 liners even up to todays they auto dive and auto death spiral all at once, if you let go of the bar.

All of us who really flew those early 2 liners have the scars to prove it, and we know they do NOT auto zenith! :-)

You just keep hanging untruths on kites you have never flown and keep building your amazing credibility on here, go for it!

Cya and

No Flies

Steve

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
30 Apr 2007 6:19PM
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Select to expand quote
Wow sounds great .Who makes them and where ?Most of the different kites I've flown are either made in china,thailand ,vietnam ,sri lanka and when you are not flying them they go somewhere (usually in the drink or into a wave)

in my experience with venoms you can fly one handed and if you like you can even stroke your ego with the free hand

Now here's a tip kiddies. If riding one handed place your riding hand in the centre of the bar with your nose picking finger on the other side of that ropey bit that runs through the middle of the bar ,If you put a little bit of pressure there you can put the kite down a bit if you need to and you can still pull it up ,in other words you can still control the kite and deal with that oh so annoying doona,sleeping bag ,flying lilo (ha ha! there you go another silly derogatory name ,that'll really put them off their cornies and make em real mad)auto zenithy thingy.
If you really want to get tricky you can put your whole hand over the other other side but watch out for the fun police ,they might have something to say about that

Anyway its back to bidies for me ,ooops nearly forgot to put that silly old burning flying doona out .!

"Quote"
You see,
I was accustomed to having stability in a kite.
That solid locked-in feeling.
Park the kite at 9.00 o'clock, it stays at 9.
Park the kite at 3.00 o'clock, it stays low.

The auto-zenith thing reminded me of a car badly in need of a front-wheel alignment.
The car relentlessly pulling one-way,
while the driver desperately pulls the other way to correct.

A kite with a mind of its own.
Forever wanting to fly to heaven.
No wonder sleeping-baggers always seem to ride with the doona at 12.00 o'clock.
They must be tired too.(Just like the Chinese girl).
Tired from the continual tugging on the front of their bar.
Never allowed to ride one-handed using the back hand only.
Never allowed to ride with their front arm free flapping in the breeze.
Never allowed to rest half their body.
They're tired.

poor relative
WA, 9091 posts
30 Apr 2007 4:20PM
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'slave is almost as good as mulies.

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
30 Apr 2007 4:32PM
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Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?

Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
30 Apr 2007 7:27PM
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Lucky mum got me up to do a wee oherwise i might have missed this one .yes there is very grainy with aron a dot on the wave but you can see him and wave and kite (particularly the down the line bit in the middle )there are some other arcy vids too that stinkygoat took and put together (kinawera)




quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?

Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.

windpig
QLD, 113 posts
30 Apr 2007 9:21PM
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quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?

Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.

Watch the kite ,the kite tells all

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
30 Apr 2007 7:58PM
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Some days you want to pick your nose, on others you want to fly a kite.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
30 Apr 2007 8:22PM
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Slave you are full of Bullsh1t !!!
There never was an inflato that auto zenithed.
Name it.



Oh yeah,
You want a bet ??

Anyway,
My old inflato is history now.
It auto-zenithed to heaven.

Look,
I'm into flat kites now.
And they have manual-zenith.
Push the bar to the knot....
the kite heads north.
Manual-zenith.
I'm in control.
The guy holding the bar.
ME.

manicskier
VIC, 772 posts
30 Apr 2007 10:50PM
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Seems like he wants you to name it, did they put a name on the grave stone when it went to heaven??

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
30 Apr 2007 10:50PM
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Its the 16 m he is on

quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?

Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.

windpig
QLD, 113 posts
30 Apr 2007 10:57PM
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Sounds like you've succumbed to the evil master plan.12 o'clock flat
kites,with upright riders,rocketing upwind,no edging, no jumping.
Is there any hope for the rest of us!!!

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
1 May 2007 10:47AM
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here's an oldie but a goodie from 4 yrs ago .Steffan cook is the guy in the waves early (a long suffering PLK rider now heads up their kiteboat project)Nothing of the kite tho but you can get the gist .
Some stuff with Jarman too and Kiwi Dave at the end



quote:
Originally posted by meerkat

Mr Sleepy? eerrr.... i mean Mr Float , any links(youtube) to footage of Aaron using the venoms in the surf?

Am interested to see how he manages to change direction quickly? I tend to use the kite to pull me around into the new direction and the quicker the kite turns the easier it is. Would be great to see a different technique.

1 May 2007 11:51AM
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quote:
Originally posted by waveslave

quote:
[i]Originally posted by Kitepower Australia

Slave you are full of Bullsh1t !!!
There never was an inflato that auto zenithed.
Name it.



Oh yeah,
You want a bet ??

Anyway,
My old inflato is history now.
It auto-zenithed to heaven.

Look,
I'm into flat kites now.
And they have manual-zenith.
Push the bar to the knot....
the kite heads north.
Manual-zenith.
I'm in control.
The guy holding the bar.
ME.



Yep, I'll take your money $1000 says you are wrong.

The definition of auto zentith is let go of the bar and the kite rises by itself to sit stably at the top of the window.
No input allowed via a harness line hooked to a hook, or any other control input via the pilot, once the bar is let go of.
The inflato must do what the Venom or Arcs do, exactly the same.

Now name the kite that does it, please.

Warning - I still have some old inflatos!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

batton_holder
WA, 92 posts
1 May 2007 10:25AM
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I think wave is not the only one who bags kites he hasn't flown. I hear critics of venoms at most places that I kite. They all seem to harp on about relaunch and auto Z.Wave has just helped us to see that.
(maybe he's an undercover arc flyer just trying to point out the obvious, that everyone's an expert)
def. expert- a person who knows more and more about less and less untill he knows everything about f*** all!
ps- I'm not having a go at the vasst majority of kiters who are more than fair minded.



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