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Show Pony Alert @ Brighton WA

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Elroy Jetson
WA, 706 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:30AM
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Page 10!

Any chance of someone providing a summary?

RSC: The name of the beach that this thread was about is Brighton not Briton. If in doubt you can check the top of the page before posting.

That is all.

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PsYLoR
QLD, 927 posts
6 Jan 2011 11:44AM
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LOL what a bunch of pen15, you people think too much, go out relax and have fun.

gordknot
NSW, 148 posts
6 Jan 2011 12:47PM
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you were amusing for a while rsc, but you’re just a bully… you don’t want real dialogue.

You want to inflame, intimidate, play victim, drag everyone into your research basement for a bit of mind-f*cking, suck up to the administrator to keep your arena open, and fail to demonstrate any of the positive communication skills you promote

yawn

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
6 Jan 2011 12:18PM
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yay...10 Pages

Waiting for wind.....

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
6 Jan 2011 1:52PM
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"You got to be able to put your hand in the air and acknowledge your capacity for violence."

"Anybody know that name, Ammon Hennacy?"

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
6 Jan 2011 11:10AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

****detector said...

"No law can ever stop one from flying a kite!"

The Crimes Act was amended in NSW in about 1996 and the offence of 'flying a kite in a public place' was repealed. Carried a fine of about 2 quid.


The point I was making, that you may have missed, was that I can move to another place to fly a kite, and I can even make a kite that I can fly indoors or in a very small space, even off the air flowing through a ventilation grill!



14. Aircraft
Except in an emergency a person shall not without authority —
(a) land or touch-down an aircraft or helicopter on the
reserve; or
(b) take off or ascend from, or land or touch-down on, the
reserve in a glider, hand-glider, kite or balloon.
Penalty: $1 000.

Turns out it is strill illegal to fly a kite off the public parks at Burswood Casino

sebol
WA, 753 posts
6 Jan 2011 11:15AM
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RSC, you are my hero!!!!!
Do you give private lessons?

I pride myself on being independent and the master of my own thoughts but I must admit that if I was getting continuously abused and red thumb for my views in a public forum, I would probably retrieve in my hole for a little while and have a little think about why everyone else think diferently (the sheep syndrom).

Not you, my man, you are strong, commited, assertive and simply amazing.

stvo69
NSW, 20 posts
6 Jan 2011 2:39PM
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!!!!!!URGENT UPDATE!!!!!!!!

Intelligence Reveals a Photo update for RSC
Head of the kitesurfing legal sector.





pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
6 Jan 2011 2:44PM
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You guys are funny. I wouldn't waste my time reading from home, but luckily my boss doesn't seem to mind...

Anyways, just to remind you there are 2 conversations within this thread.
There is the rsc soap-opera.

Then there is the original post, which was not settled even before you shifted from the agreed upon problem (need policing, etc.) to rsc. You guys all seem to agree that there are plenty of those dangerous types. It's one day, another one the next day. One quotes six (!) on a given day. My personal experience is between 1 and 6 indeed...

Many blame beginners, others blame experienced kiters (around page 2) who want to show off or compensate or something... Some believe in policing, others think the idiots will learn eventually. Yeah, right.

Good summary so far?
Anyhow, thanks for the entertainment so far - don't lock this thread Laurie.

gordknot
NSW, 148 posts
6 Jan 2011 2:49PM
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to quote Stafford Beer...

"If I may be allowed one joke in a dignified discourse, it concerns three men who are about to be executed. The prison governor calls them to his office, and explains that each will be granted a last request. The first one confesses that he has led a sinful life, and would like to see a priest. The governor says he thinks he can arrange that. And the second man? The second man explains that he is a professor of cybernetics. His last request is to deliver a final and definitive answer to the question: what is cybernetics? The governor accedes to this request also.

And the third man? Well, he is a doctoral student of the professor -- his request is to be executed second."

pity ol' mate rsc doesn't have his idol's sense of humour

MartyJ
QLD, 95 posts
6 Jan 2011 2:05PM
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Lunch is soooooooooooo much better with a showpony update

Cheers to all !!

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
6 Jan 2011 3:13PM
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This thread is way too long, can someone please give me an executive summary with a few dot points and a recommendation

mattyjee
WA, 575 posts
6 Jan 2011 12:24PM
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I don't have anything to add to this thread, but i just want to be a part of it.

here is a picture of a cat dressed as a smurf



MEOW!

seafever17
WA, 360 posts
6 Jan 2011 12:28PM
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djdojo said...

OK, I'm speechless.

I wish you good luck RSC. I hope you'll accept it; I have nothing else to offer.




WAIT!!!!

Iv got an offer for rsc.


$2000 for all your kitesurfing kit .

Sight unseen.

Just need to sign a 20 page contract stating you will never buy,borrow,steal another kite as long as your arse points south.

With the money not only will the beaches be safer(hey its the point of this thread)

But you can go back to the spare room and play with your train set in your undies and forget about us. We're not worth it.




wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
6 Jan 2011 4:14PM
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I reckon RSC drives a citroen

Monkel
WA, 9 posts
6 Jan 2011 1:16PM
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Like many, can't help myself - as can be seen from my number of posts, it takes a lot to drag a post out of me.

It's been an interesting read and (despite efforts to the contrary) remains on topic, only with 2 threads. On one hand we have the show ponies (not exclusive to kiting) and on the other we have out of control newcomers (again not exclusive to kiting).

While the difference between the 2 could be said to be arrogance vs ignorance, make no mistake that both reflect kiting to the rest of the world (which includes councils, rangers and insurance companies).

We are fortunate to have an unregulated sport in which to participate. There are no compulsory entry requirements (although perhaps there should be?) such as licensing or mandatory competencies which are required to be demonstrated prior to purchasing a kite.

The only group which stands to lose with increased regulation is ourselves, so trying to put the onus on lifesavers, rangers, councils etc means we are leaving our destiny to others. We do need to take collective responsiblity for our sport, otherwise it does end up in the hands of regulators. If this means approaching someone to inform them of safe kiting methods or intervening in an impending catastrophe, don't shy away from fear of retribution (either physical in case 1 or legal in case 2). If you can't (or won't) do anything, at least try to find someone on hand who is better equipped or more inclined to handle the situation.

I hope this thread continues with diminshed personal attacks or rebuttals (hey even I was tempted at times) and a renewed energy to tackling a real problem.

We (being anyone who kites - whether for the stoke, to relax, for exercise or any other reason) are all ambassadors for kiting, whether we like it or not.

Good winds and happy kiting

PS - looking forward to meeting many of the WA crew at my first Kitestock this year!

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 7:26PM
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Elroy Jetson said...

Page 10!

Any chance of someone providing a summary?

RSC: The name of the beach that this thread was about is Brighton not Briton. If in doubt you can check the top of the page before posting.

That is all.

Continue


Thank you. Yes it seems to have slipped through a few times in all the writing.

Two corrections for the record. 'rsc'' posts here that mention:

1. "Briton" actually should be read as "Brighton" (as in WA); and if appropriate

2. any reference to a name like "Kanana"should actually be read as "Kawana" (as in www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Idiot-At-Kawana/) .

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 7:27PM
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wdric said...

I reckon RSC drives a citroen


no, but there is some appeal.

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 7:32PM
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gordknot said...

to quote Stafford Beer...

"If I may be allowed one joke in a dignified discourse, it concerns three men who are about to be executed. The prison governor calls them to his office, and explains that each will be granted a last request. The first one confesses that he has led a sinful life, and would like to see a priest. The governor says he thinks he can arrange that. And the second man? The second man explains that he is a professor of cybernetics. His last request is to deliver a final and definitive answer to the question: what is cybernetics? The governor accedes to this request also.

And the third man? Well, he is a doctoral student of the professor -- his request is to be executed second."

pity ol' mate rsc doesn't have his idol's sense of humour


hardly an idol -- just respected.

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 7:36PM
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stvo69 said...

!!!!!!URGENT UPDATE!!!!!!!!

Intelligence Reveals a Photo update for RSC
Head of the kitesurfing legal sector.








Hmmm, I think you may be onto something here: right department, wrong monkey.

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:44PM
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Hang on a sec... gotta make popcorn....don't want to miss anything.

shannon8888
NSW, 517 posts
6 Jan 2011 10:54PM
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shannon8888 said...

shannon8888 said...

your a father walking up the beach with your 6yo son ,an out of control kite slams the little one and turns him into a quadriplegic.if your the father RSC who would you blame? the inexperienced f$#k wit with the kite or an experienced instructor giveing advice ? think about it


still unanwsered ?????????


still unanswered???????

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 8:24PM
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sebol said...

RSC, you are my hero!!!!!
Do you give private lessons?

I pride myself on being independent and the master of my own thoughts but I must admit that if I was getting continuously abused and red thumb for my views in a public forum, I would probably retrieve in my hole for a little while and have a little think about why everyone else think diferently (the sheep syndrom).

Not you, my man, you are strong, commited, assertive and simply amazing.



no hero business. no private lessons. i simply demonstrate how to fish. if you are serious, then good on you. i'll give you a little 'reward' and encouragement. but do take care, as you can see, when dealing with social intercourse in public places, one must always be prepared for the percentage of the population that are customers of the mental health system (or aught to be). and even so, sometimes one can be surprised by the uneven distributions of the cohort across domains. i had seen the term 'risktakers' before in internet dating systems (usually with a big NO associated with it). now i think i know why.

but in any case, if you know the science of strategic timing and are dispassionately committed to responsible action then a small effort can make a difference. there is always 'blowback' but it can be managed if you know how. once you understand the difference between signal and noise -- and the principles of karma yoga (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga) -- then you can work through almost any situation.

it just needs engagement and for that one needs to know the type of monkeys in the tree and what type of nuts and bananas they prefer. this comes from observation and testing (including of oneself). the key is knowing when to start, pause and stop.

in spain bulls chase red flags and get skewered. perhaps i'm colour blind?

kyberneties is greek for steering: one just needs to know how to steer by setting the trimtab which is oneself. everything else then must, by the laws of nature, adjust it/themselves.

---quote (from another place) ---

"Call Me Trimtab” is inscribed on the late Buckminster Fuller’s tombstone.

Here is his explanation of what he meant by it:

“Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary — the whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trimtab.

It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trimtab. Society thinks it's going right by you, that it's left you altogether. But if you're doing dynamic things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that and the whole big ship of state is going to go.

So I said, call me Trimtab.”


--- end quote ---

(see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_tab )

btw: the interesting question for me here is: do kites have trimtabs and would such innovations add power performance efficiency? i only claim 10% for inspiration.

kitegirl21
NSW, 439 posts
6 Jan 2011 11:30PM
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rsc said...

sebol said...

RSC, you are my hero!!!!!
Do you give private lessons?

I pride myself on being independent and the master of my own thoughts but I must admit that if I was getting continuously abused and red thumb for my views in a public forum, I would probably retrieve in my hole for a little while and have a little think about why everyone else think diferently (the sheep syndrom).

Not you, my man, you are strong, commited, assertive and simply amazing.



no hero business. no private lessons. i simply demonstrate how to fish. if you are serious, then good on you. i'll give you a little 'reward' and encouragement. but do take care, as you can see, when dealing with social intercourse in public places, one must always be prepared for the percentage of the population that are customers of the mental health system (or aught to be). and even so, sometimes one can be surprised by the uneven distributions of the cohort across domains. i had seen the term 'risktakers' before in internet dating systems (usually with a big NO associated with it). now i think i know why.

but in any case, if you know the science of strategic timing and are dispassionately committed to responsible action then a small effort can make a difference. there is always 'blowback' but it can be managed if you know how. once you understand the difference between signal and noise -- and the principles of karma yoga (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_yoga) -- then you can work through almost any situation.

it just needs engagement and for that one needs to know the type of monkeys in the tree and what type of nuts and bananas they prefer. this comes from observation and testing (including of oneself). the key is knowing when to start, pause and stop.

in spain bulls chase red flags and get skewered. perhaps i'm colour blind?

kyberneties is greek for steering: one just needs to know how to steer by setting the trimtab which is oneself. everything else then must, by the laws of nature, adjust it/themselves.

---quote (from another place) ---

"Call Me Trimtab” is inscribed on the late Buckminster Fuller’s tombstone.

Here is his explanation of what he meant by it:

“Something hit me very hard once, thinking about what one little man could do. Think of the Queen Mary — the whole ship goes by and then comes the rudder. And there's a tiny thing at the edge of the rudder called a trimtab.

It's a miniature rudder. Just moving the little trim tab builds a low pressure that pulls the rudder around. Takes almost no effort at all. So I said that the little individual can be a trimtab. Society thinks it's going right by you, that it's left you altogether. But if you're doing dynamic things mentally, the fact is that you can just put your foot out like that and the whole big ship of state is going to go.

So I said, call me Trimtab.”


--- end quote ---

(see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_tab )

btw: the interesting question for me here is: do kites have trimtabs and would such innovations add power performance efficiency? i only claim 10% for inspiration.




sounds all a bit suss rsc!
good on ya for puttin it out there thou!

Bigwavedave
QLD, 2057 posts
6 Jan 2011 10:31PM
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now I need chocolate! and a milo

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:02PM
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shannon8888 said...

shannon8888 said...

shannon8888 said...

your a father walking up the beach with your 6yo son ,an out of control kite slams the little one and turns him into a quadriplegic.if your the father RSC who would you blame? the inexperienced f$#k wit with the kite or an experienced instructor giveing advice ? think about it


still unanwsered ?????????


still unanswered???????


Look to be honest, I think this is a bit of noise. But seeing as you are obviously in neeed of a bit of TLC attention then I will try to give you a useful answer to your very hypo-thetical question.

I would blame myself for taking a 6 y.o. into a dangerous place inhabited by show ponies and/or inexperienced learners who had not taken the precaution to make sure there was nobody around from the general public to be put in danger in the first place. As the old saying goes: I just would not be there -- in any of the roles in your imaginary scenario.

Satisfied?

In the case of the show pony scenario, I'd assume that the responsible adult would contact the appropriate authorities and sue the **** out of the professional association (and individuals) that let the clown out on the street/beach in their name. He/she would be a member of course. (hey, I just love the way this system makes certain four letter words into stars. Very cool. btw: it started with 'sh' and ended with 't' and rhymes with scatology.)

In either case I'd assume the adult would then work for the next ten years if necessary to make the accountable officers of the said association pay for their irresponsible behaviour and inaction by not having put in place appropriate guidelines, standards and monitoring systems. With the $$$compo he'd get, the official (and perhaps the show pony) would most likely be beggared for life! Then I'd assume he would work on innovative ways of getting the child out into the kiting fun by inventing a disabled kitesurfing set up for gentle sea breezes. Probably directly supervised by a couple of very poor highly trained ex-officials and show ponies who needed a bit of work in the disability sector to work off their community work obligation conditions imposed by the courts.

Now off to bed little Johny. Don't be scared, it is only a bad bedtime story!

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:24PM
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It amazes me the personality types that Kitesufing attracts.

I wonder if lawn bowls suffers the same fate?

djdojo
VIC, 1607 posts
7 Jan 2011 12:25AM
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Hey, I dig Bucky, but his influence was hardly that of a trimtab. He saw himself as something of an under-appreciated Messiah and imagined that sooner or later his visions would become widely valued and realised but that never happened and it ain't likely.

He got a few hippies and fashion-conscious corporations building geodesic domes in the 60s and 70s and has since been all but forgotten except by nerds like me. His visions were grand, some of his ideas were groundbreaking, but his influence was (sadly) negligible.

rsc
WA, 96 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:30PM
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Monkel said...

Like many, can't help myself - as can be seen from my number of posts, it takes a lot to drag a post out of me.

It's been an interesting read and (despite efforts to the contrary) remains on topic, only with 2 threads. On one hand we have the show ponies (not exclusive to kiting) and on the other we have out of control newcomers (again not exclusive to kiting).

While the difference between the 2 could be said to be arrogance vs ignorance, make no mistake that both reflect kiting to the rest of the world (which includes councils, rangers and insurance companies).

We are fortunate to have an unregulated sport in which to participate. There are no compulsory entry requirements (although perhaps there should be?) such as licensing or mandatory competencies which are required to be demonstrated prior to purchasing a kite.

The only group which stands to lose with increased regulation is ourselves, so trying to put the onus on lifesavers, rangers, councils etc means we are leaving our destiny to others. We do need to take collective responsiblity for our sport, otherwise it does end up in the hands of regulators. If this means approaching someone to inform them of safe kiting methods or intervening in an impending catastrophe, don't shy away from fear of retribution (either physical in case 1 or legal in case 2). If you can't (or won't) do anything, at least try to find someone on hand who is better equipped or more inclined to handle the situation.

I hope this thread continues with diminshed personal attacks or rebuttals (hey even I was tempted at times) and a renewed energy to tackling a real problem.

We (being anyone who kites - whether for the stoke, to relax, for exercise or any other reason) are all ambassadors for kiting, whether we like it or not.

Good winds and happy kiting

PS - looking forward to meeting many of the WA crew at my first Kitestock this year!


I detect a new tone.

Just one minor point sir. Not to defend myself, but rather to defend my position as developed here.

I would rephrase your "... and on the other we have out of control newcomers (again not exclusive to kiting)" so as to better reflect that they are not "out of control" (your system control I assume) but rather they are not yet accepting your association's guidance and services (i.e. not yet "ïn control" or "under control"). Possibly either though ignorance or willfulness (and/or both).

A subtle point of semantics that does not detract in any way from your point. But one that places, I believe, more emphasis on the other aspects of good governance than 'control' which, although technically correct, is unfortunately in today's world/culture too strongly associated with top-down hierarchical control rather than self-control and bottom-up self organisation (not to be confused with bum-up self organisation).

Otherwise heartily agree with your sentiments and look forward to the many positive postings about to flow into this thread to help improve the situation of concern implied by the title.

Freddo
WA, 13 posts
6 Jan 2011 9:31PM
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Hey russel, one of you're ex instructors here, I thought you were a ok kind of guy during you're lessons even if a little strange. But after the amount of garbage that you have spouted out in these ten pages, I have come to the conclusion that you are a complete loser and I would request that you cease all further contact with me personally.

Yours sincerely. Alex Trimtaboulie



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