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Wake style tricks - are they good to watch?

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Created by eppo > 9 months ago, 24 Feb 2011
eppo
WA, 9502 posts
24 Feb 2011 4:55PM
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Saw a kite contest on TV last sunday, all powered up wake style tricks and just thought I really miss the high jumping flowing style of say the shinn era. Does anyone agree?

the powered up wake tricks to me just are not good to watch (I'm sure they are to do and bloody difficult) but the whole world circuit seems to be tuned to this style and i just don't dig it? am i just old school and out of touch or are there others out there wo enjoy watching the acrobatics and air time of yesterday?

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
24 Feb 2011 8:48PM
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get onto kevin langeree he loves to dangle!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
24 Feb 2011 9:13PM
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Depends on the rider. Aaron is super smooth with the kiter low. Some people look untidy and rushed.

TenBerri
70 posts
24 Feb 2011 6:15PM
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Hey mate

I think thats a personal preference, as to which style is better to watch. I myself like both. I think there are many people out there who would both agree and disagree with you.

I think the days of seeing top level riders doing old-school big air tricks in competition is over as they have pretty much pushed this style to the limits. Remember many of todays top level riders, (Hadlow, Lenten and many more who would be considered young by most), were top 10 competition riders back in 2003/2004, (even though they were only 13 years old) and had some of the best board-off, big-air dangle pass combinations going. They haven't ignored the old-school they've already done it.

I know where your coming from though, seeing old footage of Robby Naish jump 20 metres in the air, spin round several times with one foot out the board still looks fooking awesome!!! If you did this on your average beach you would be grabbing more attention than some one popping a perfect Raley 2 Blind, unless the beach was packed with pro-kiteboarders and wakeboarding fans

One person who I believe would agree with you is actually Ruben Lenten. You watch some recent interviews with him and although he will hit sliders, rails and is pretty good at wakestyle, he finds it pretty boring. His thing is going huge, looping his kite like a maniac in the strongest winds possible.

I think one of the best things about kiteboarding is the freedom we have to go out and ride any style we want; Speed, Surf, wakestyle, freestyle old and new.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
24 Feb 2011 6:24PM
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Depends who your watching, I don't thing competitions adequately represent anyones best riding.
It also depends what your into, as pointed out above. If you're not into wakesktyle you're not going to get a thrill out of watching it, same goes with wakeskating or waveriding... Not many people are involved in all the facets of this sport hence there is always going to be people claiming something is boring.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
24 Feb 2011 6:26PM
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TenBerri said...


One person who I believe would agree with you is actually Ruben Lenten. You watch some recent interviews with him and although he will hit sliders, rails and is pretty good at wakestyle, he finds it pretty boring. His thing is going huge, looping his kite like a maniac in the strongest winds possible.


To be fair though, that is also his job... If he didn't say that and didn't do big kiteloops he would be out of a job.

puppetonastring
WA, 3619 posts
24 Feb 2011 6:37PM
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sir ROWDY said...
To be fair though, that is also his job... If he didn't say that and didn't do big kiteloops he would be out of a job.


Yep Rowdys on it with the facts. But with Ruben its also his personal choice.
Just convenient that his employer is quite happy with that choice.

Im 100% ditto on TenBerris take. Spot on. (imo)

eppo
WA, 9502 posts
24 Feb 2011 7:32PM
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TenBerri said...

Hey mate

I think thats a personal preference, as to which style is better to watch. I myself like both. I think there are many people out there who would both agree and disagree with you.

I think the days of seeing top level riders doing old-school big air tricks in competition is over as they have pretty much pushed this style to the limits. Remember many of todays top level riders, (Hadlow, Lenten and many more who would be considered young by most), were top 10 competition riders back in 2003/2004, (even though they were only 13 years old) and had some of the best board-off, big-air dangle pass combinations going. They haven't ignored the old-school they've already done it.

I know where your coming from though, seeing old footage of Robby Naish jump 20 metres in the air, spin round several times with one foot out the board still looks fooking awesome!!! If you did this on your average beach you would be grabbing more attention than some one popping a perfect Raley 2 Blind, unless the beach was packed with pro-kiteboarders and wakeboarding fans

One person who I believe would agree with you is actually Ruben Lenten. You watch some recent interviews with him and although he will hit sliders, rails and is pretty good at wakestyle, he finds it pretty boring. His thing is going huge, looping his kite like a maniac in the strongest winds possible.

I think one of the best things about kiteboarding is the freedom we have to go out and ride any style we want; Speed, Surf, wakestyle, freestyle old and new.






Never thought of it like that, you are most probably right. Again, you are talking about someone (me) who listens to 720am and triple JJJ now and then, I may need to move with the times. The things that attracted me to the sport, the fluidity, the arial acrobatics have been replaced by hard core, powered up, spiked up, crazy freestyle moves - alas, I must live in the past. I would argue about the limit being reached, no such thing, but the sport evolves as it has meant to. Obviously hadlow and the like needed more and more technical aspects to their riding hence what we witness now.

Still don't like it - However I do like it when they perform these tricks with height and fluidity and that includes the landing. I was sitting with a dude who had never really seen kiting and he kind of went, yeh, cool moves. I remember the naish shinn days when people went..fark did you see that, that was unreal!

Yeh each to their own... bring back fluidity and height i say! Base the technical stuff around that.

Cheers, for ya reply, makes a lot of sense.

KnutH
VIC, 425 posts
24 Feb 2011 11:18PM
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Hmm the last time I have seen an interview with Lenten (triple-s 2009 or 2010 I think) the interviewer tried to convince him to go big again, but he said he enjoys the wakestyle thing more. Maybe it was just an excursion that now led him back to the roots again..

I don't blame the talented kids for not practising quadruple boardoffs. A comp should be for the riders with the aim to determine who's the best, and if they want to progress the wakestyle aspect, so be it.

Yet big airs/kiteloops are probably the most characteristic thing about this sport and it does seem quite neglected. In comps you rather see course racing, boarder-cross or surfing 3ft ripples, which I personally find unspectacular-as.

If you like to see silly oldschool acrobatics/ballet to the max, check out Toby Breuer. He does his very own thing and some (most?) of his moves look downright hilarious.

kiteboy dave
QLD, 6525 posts
24 Feb 2011 11:00PM
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If you don't like a style of music it all sounds the same. To me most squigglepass stuff looks the same. I really couldn't give a toss which way his body's spinning and which way the bar's passed, the angle of the kite, etc.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
24 Feb 2011 9:05PM
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sir ROWDY said...

If you're not into wakesktyle you're not going to get a thrill out of watching it, same goes with wakeskating or waveriding... Not many people are involved in all the facets of this sport hence there is always going to be people claiming something is boring.


eppo
WA, 9502 posts
24 Feb 2011 10:30PM
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kiteboy dave said...

If you don't like a style of music it all sounds the same. To me most squigglepass stuff looks the same. I really couldn't give a toss which way his body's spinning and which way the bar's passed, the angle of the kite, etc.





Yeh maybe that is it, it all looks the same! good point. But I'd be one stoked due who could pull some of that off, too old, too slow and got kids at home to feed and a mortgage, can afford to be in traction! Each sir rowdy has said...twice, each to their own, the sport is differentiated. I just wish to see more of the other stuff that's all. Would even prefer to watch a kite-surfing comp actually, you are right man, looks all the same to me - all happens way to fast...ha ha

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
24 Feb 2011 11:45PM
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^^^that.

sebol
WA, 753 posts
25 Feb 2011 1:32AM
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sir ROWDY said...


sir ROWDY said...

If you're not into wakesktyle you're not going to get a thrill out of watching it, same goes with wakeskating or waveriding... Not many people are involved in all the facets of this sport hence there is always going to be people claiming something is boring.







Are you seriously quoting yourself???? mate, you will need a loooooonnnnng bath when you finaly emmerge from that journey up your own ars#

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
25 Feb 2011 1:59AM
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roachapproach
QLD, 20 posts
25 Feb 2011 5:08AM
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watched it and turned it off, boring ,boring, dont deserve to be on tv. freeriding waves make it exciting at least. they dont need akite , get to the cable park !

Antigrav
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25 Feb 2011 4:07AM
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roachapproach said...

watched it and turned it off, boring ,boring, dont deserve to be on tv. freeriding waves make it exciting at least. they dont need akite , get to the cable park !


And kiters on waves don't need a kite...they should just surf

It's the same argument, one I personally don't agree with, the kite gives you an added element whichever facet of the sport floats your boat. I ride cable as much as kite these days but I still love kiting cause it offers something different, even though I ride the same board and boots for both

Just saying

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
25 Feb 2011 11:02AM
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sebol said...

sir ROWDY said...


sir ROWDY said...

If you're not into wakesktyle you're not going to get a thrill out of watching it, same goes with wakeskating or waveriding... Not many people are involved in all the facets of this sport hence there is always going to be people claiming something is boring.







Are you seriously quoting yourself???? mate, you will need a loooooonnnnng bath when you finaly emmerge from that journey up your own ars#



This is rowdy we are talking about. He's like a kitesurfing god. I once heard that Death had a near Rowdy experience.

graceful
WA, 773 posts
25 Feb 2011 10:12AM
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This thread seems familiar!
Maybe I've red it a few hundred times!


Big airs are in the past because there easy! Ride send the kite and float!we've all seen it, we can all do !


sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
25 Feb 2011 10:56AM
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sebol said...

sir ROWDY said...


sir ROWDY said...

If you're not into wakesktyle you're not going to get a thrill out of watching it, same goes with wakeskating or waveriding... Not many people are involved in all the facets of this sport hence there is always going to be people claiming something is boring.







Are you seriously quoting yourself???? mate, you will need a loooooonnnnng bath when you finaly emmerge from that journey up your own ars#



I was meerly trying to bump said thread closer back together with other stupid thread I made that looked the same but got deleted... But hey whatever, I can run with quoting myself, if it makes people this angry I will probably do it more often.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
25 Feb 2011 10:57AM
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sir ROWDY said...
I was meerly trying to bump said thread closer back together with other stupid thread I made that looked the same but got deleted... But hey whatever, I can run with quoting myself, if it makes people this angry I will probably do it more often.


Gorgo
VIC, 4981 posts
25 Feb 2011 2:58PM
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If you are talking about competitions then the actual trick doesn't really matter. What matters is the style of the execution. A twiddly move with a crappy setup and landing is ugly.

Possibly the most beautiful move in kiteboarding is an ultra-extended, powered unhooked railey. My personal favourite to do is a high speed, toeside carve with a big rooster tail and full speed in and out of the move. It's not that hard to do but when it's perfect it feels great and I think it looks great.

There's video of Aaron Hadlow doing beautiful, powered unhooked mega loops with perfect landings. On the other hand there's video of Ruben Lenten doing massive unhooked multiple loops with crappy landings and the kite flopping all over the place.

Kiteboarding competitions in general, and wakestyle in particular, has always been the same as figure skating. All that keep the kite at 45 degrees stuff and different moves with different names depending on the bit of rail you grab, and wearing the proper boardies and trucker's caps and t-shirts over the wettie. Pure figure skating. It needs to be judged using the same criteria.

You should get points for technical difficulty, execution and style.

KnutH
VIC, 425 posts
25 Feb 2011 3:10PM
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Gorgo said...
My personal favourite to do is a high speed, toeside carve with a big rooster tail and full speed in and out of the move.

Like Shannon best at 0:22?
It might be a basic move, but I haven't seen many people ripping it like that.



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