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Created by Lofty > 9 months ago, 8 Jan 2010
sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
10 Jan 2010 11:31PM
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Better listen up, these locals have got a valid point even if it may seem harsh.
I've been out there (the pond) a couple of times recently and have seen absolute noobs in the pond on 12s when they should be on 10s or 9s with their kite at lunch going half the speed of everyone else, doing 2 foot sent boosts and****** up and loosing their board right in the middle of everything. Not only is this bad enough but then they can't even get back to their foot plank properly.
Learn to kite proficiently and learn the rules of a spot before you go out.

As has been pointed out, you don't paddle out at pipe and move straight to the front of the line up then proceed to go over the falls numerous times... Same goes at the big kitesurfing spots. Don't do it.

siwalker
WA, 195 posts
11 Jan 2010 9:58AM
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The pond is a wicked place to kite, and for the most part, locals are friendly to the blow ins, and every one gets along. When blow ins rock up, try and own the beach, do not make the effort to follow the local rules, which are there to allow more kiters to share the one spot and allow every one a piece of flat water, then of course locals are going to start getting agro. Not one of the locals here are aggressive people, but are driven to it when they are forever trying to get the same learners out of the pond and trying to get the same group of kiters to follow some simple rules.
These efforts aren't just for us locals to have more space, but also to share the water with the local windsurfers. There has been talk in the past of safety bay being banned for kiters, and if we can't sort our s#it out, then it will come around and bite us. No wonder we get agro when people won't listen or co operate.

It's this simple.
*If you're learning, and aren't skilled enough to avoid other kiters and windsurfers, then stay out.
*If you are kiting in the pond, then use the flat water on your run in and out, but then continue out till you are at least in line with the boat ramp (if it's busier, continue to the weed bank before turning around).
*Stay upwind of the bouy in the middle of the pond. If you are down wind of the bouy, then make sure you are giving the windsurfers the right of way.

If you can't follow these rules, and you have to be asked to follow these rules more than once, then of course we will become aggressive. We are protecting our local spot.

Ask any local and I am confident they will give you the same story.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
11 Jan 2010 11:04AM
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u forgot that walking around in ur jocks is strictly prohibited.

Deano
WA, 255 posts
11 Jan 2010 11:23AM
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This from the DPI. They are running late with this but it will happen. The two areas are Windsurf & Kitesurf not Locals & Euros Sorry I can't post the PDF of the signs. So the area of which you speak will become even more crowded as the size is reduced.

Ladies and Gents
My apologies on the delay on this project.
Following further deliberations by DEC, I can advise that DEC have made a decision not to allow the rigging of kites on the end of the nature reserve.
As a result, I intend to proceed and install the attached sign at 4 strategic locations around the Pond area prior to the New Year. Transport will also be installing four rubber orange buoys to demarcate the two areas.
Thank you for your co-operation on this project.
I propose to convene a meeting at the end of summer to evaluate the effectiveness of the initiative and discuss any further measures.
Have a wonderful and safe festive season.
Regards
Ray Buchholz
Manager Navigational Safety and Compliance.
Marine Safety


siwalker
WA, 195 posts
11 Jan 2010 12:35PM
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i'm pretty sure the end of the nature reserve is already roped off. If those euros are that keen to expose themselves, there is nudist beach around at Warnbro. keep your pants on at the pond!!

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
11 Jan 2010 1:11PM
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Charl dv said...

places such as safety bay etc are small and not suited for people wanting to learn,


i think you should point out you mean the pond . There is plenty of beach at safety bay for people to learn . If you want to showboat then use the pond . Otherwise there are km's of other beach in safety bay

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
11 Jan 2010 2:02PM
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yer my bad, i meant the pond specifically... around at penguin island etc and even up wind of the pond sand bar is perfect.

i dont like the sound of even more buoys in the pond... its askn for a kite tear / tangle up

simmo25
WA, 10 posts
11 Jan 2010 9:30PM
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I rememeber when I was learning and I got out of every ones way. I did not want to be a burden on any ones safety so I rode in the chop as far away from every one as possible right through the middle of winter until I could mix it up with the crowds. The same friggin way I learnt to surf stand up when I was figgin 13 years old in the chop through the middle of winter not in the il primo spots offshore peeling beauties dropping in on the boys that have paid there dues. So to the learners RACK OFF from the pond and if you can kite dont for farks sake ride just inside the pond like an ignorant selfish terd, take your runs out a bit further, look when you turn or jump, and dont adopt the approach of this CHEEZEL no one owns the water BLA BLA and have a think about what we have said coz it does actually work if you try. I tried it when I was a learner and it worked for me I cant remeber pissing any one off! **** I think I just repeated myself! Why wont you drop kicks listen and just go with the flow.!

chrislee said...

Your all a bunch of f$&€wits!!! No one owns the water! Remember when your were s learning loser!!!!

Cocks!!!!!


sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
11 Jan 2010 9:56PM
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Another Euro teaching in the pond today...

tailz8
QLD, 4 posts
12 Jan 2010 11:36AM
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If/when I ever visit another country/state and go kiting, I wouldn't necessarily troll through pages and pages of forums looking for all the local rules, I'd look on a website like WAKSA at the location guide.

It does mention beginners should avoid the flat water, but there have been a few other local 'rules' mentioned on here. How about getting the WAKSA website updated, specifically mentioning the pond?

The more you spread the word, the more will (hopefully) be aware of it.

My 2 cents...

koma
VIC, 760 posts
12 Jan 2010 2:59PM
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What ever happened to kiting courtesy?
If your riding at a new spot then you ask the locals (or those who look like regulars) if there's anything you should avoid or need to know about the spot.

A couple of years back when i was in my early kiting days i spent a week in Safety Bay and had a great time. The locals i met were a great crew and really made the place what it is.
If your thinking about heading to Safety Bay and kiting the pond or surrounding area then i'd highly recommend taking along some beer to share with the locals. If your in town for a bit then it's the best way to meet everyone and gets you some great karma.

fulcrum
WA, 3 posts
13 Jan 2010 12:48AM
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I have been reading this thread with interest. I am a windsurfer and have sailed at Safety Bay since long before some of the other people that sail/kite there graduated from primary school. I have mates that kite and windsurf and I am amazed at how blatantly stupid some people are.

The fact is, I don't care how long you have sailed/kited for, how good you think you are or how much you are driven by the unrelenting desire to have your photo taken by your bestie on the beach, use your brains when it comes to kiting or sailing safely. I was almost taken out twice today by two camera loving show-pony kiters who didn't have the brains or consideration to look behind or downwind from themselves before attempting tricks/aerials (that they weren't capable of pulling off) and wiping out right in front of me when I was going flat tack into a gybe. The two twats in question are lucky I was able to avoid them and their gear. Next time (and I hope there isn't one), they may not be so lucky.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate kite surfers at all. I just don't like inconsiderate, stupid tossers. I actually think some of the guys down there are really talented and I like watching their tricks, etc. Looks like great fun. Hell, I might even give it a go myself soon. Like any decent sailor/kiter, I make damn sure that, before I gybe, I take a quick look downwind to see if the area is clear and who I have to avoid. Only takes two seconds and it saves accidents and agro. If you can't do that, or you are too busy looking at your mate to see if he has his camera pointed at you, go kite/sail somewhere else or better still take up modeling or some other form of self gratification, like hanging out at the gym with your bisexual mates, staring at yourselves admiringly in the mirror! And don't be a tosser and kite or sail within two metres of me....totally unnecessary!

One other gripe......I was asked to move on today by some clown from Sweden....apparently I was getting in the way of his camera session. Well excuse me all over the place! To that idiot I would like to say this.....you would be well advised to show the locals some friggin respect, regardless of whether they kite or windsurf. Don't come to my country and tell me to go somewhere else. And I thought this country had a monopoly on tossers, apparently we are importing them now too!

Most of the people who sail/kite at Safety Bay are pretty cool. There are a few clowns though who need to pull their heads out of their a***s and show a bit of common sense and consideration for others.

On another note....Why the obsession with the flat water in "the pond" apart from the fact that it is close to the beach and cameras? I would have thought a good kitesurfer would not be bothered by a bit of chop.....would have thought it would make it a bit more fun. I mean, the whole bay is like a friggin swimming pool anyway! Gotta love the self-proclaimed hotshots who lay claim to "the pond" on the basis that their immense skills entitle them to exclusive use of the easiest sailing/kiting real estate in the area. If you are half as good as you think you are, why the hell do you need dead flat water? I am not suggesting that a beginner should kite there, and some good advice has been given above relating to the proximity to power lines, places to go etc. But to those particular hotshots.......just remember, you were once a pain in the a**e newbie at some point too......probably not that long ago!! So pull your head in!

Nuff said....

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
13 Jan 2010 12:58AM
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Why do wavesailers like smooth waves, why do racers like flat water, why do skaters like no wind, why do snowboarders like fresh pow... I think you can work out why there is so much hype over flat water at the pond.

sci
WA, 762 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:31AM
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So much passion and thoughtful content here!

I have tried to point out the rules of the road at my local (Woodies) Most of the time I get the look of contempt "Who does this guy think he is".

Its tough trying to communicate with people who just want to get on the water and are not prepared to listen. This breeds frustration and like wise contempt.

The other day I had this french guy fresh off the plane cutting my me up continually short tacking me and just showing total disrespect.

Fact is most people are sound and prepared to listen if you speak to them with respect and a friendly attitude. If you just rant at them in the water you will likely get the same response. All the rants and feedback on here is not going to change the situation so what do we do?

SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
13 Jan 2010 11:11AM
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Fulcrum The issue is there probably hasn't been a local in sight since Sunday. As far as I'm aware from chatting with the boys we have all been back at work and had late knock off.

Other locals like Leon, Ken, Greg, Jamie, Ben....the list goes on, I believe they have resided to the fact it's not worth the hassle. I've seen them out kiting at other locations since the Euro invasion around mid December. I'm sure they will all turn back up more regular once the teuro's disappear.

I understand and agree with most of your points, but if your asking locals to pull their heads in it's misdirected and I don't see any self proclaiming going on from any local perspective. Hopefully I have misread your last paragraph.

Like Sir Rowdy say's, everyone has their preferences for their favourite conditions. Kiters like the flat so they can land tricks without worrying about landing on the downside backside of chop. Personally I'm the one you will see going out across the Warnbro sound most the time, I don't do all the unhooking stuff in the pond. I prefer to just go boosting off the ramps in the bay doing some spins and staying out the way of the show ponies. I use to like the west side of the sand bar but Old mate WA SURF is the proprietor there and has f###ed that up for the locals, but that's another story.

SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
13 Jan 2010 11:33AM
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fulcrum said...

I was almost taken out twice today by two camera loving show-pony kiters who didn't have the brains or consideration to look behind or downwind from themselves before attempting tricks/aerials (that they weren't capable of pulling off) and wiping out right in front of me when I was going flat tack into a gybe. The two twats in question are lucky I was able to avoid them and their gear. Next time (and I hope there isn't one), they may not be so lucky.


I wasn't there, but looking at photo's on SB there is evidence you may be talking about your own Brethren. As you stated, you have friends that indulge in both sports.

RayQ
WA, 633 posts
13 Jan 2010 11:39AM
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Went down there yesterday, because a mate wanted to spend some time on flat water.
A wind surfer crashed into him, hitting him in the upper torso, he was unable to move for a while but eventually recovered.
It was the wind surfers fault, my mate had right of way. As an ex windsurfer, I could see that he clearly lacked the skills to sail his board in a competent manner , , which goes for about50% of the windsurfers.
Adding to this is the attitude of most of the wind surfers, they are going for speed runs through the kiters, expecting to have everyone move out of their way, like a game of bowling.

FormulaNova
WA, 14439 posts
13 Jan 2010 3:05PM
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RayQ said...

Went down there yesterday, because a mate wanted to spend some time on flat water.
A wind surfer crashed into him, hitting him in the upper torso, he was unable to move for a while but eventually recovered.
It was the wind surfers fault, my mate had right of way. As an ex windsurfer, I could see that he clearly lacked the skills to sail his board in a competent manner , , which goes for about50% of the windsurfers.
Adding to this is the attitude of most of the wind surfers, they are going for speed runs through the kiters, expecting to have everyone move out of their way, like a game of bowling.


Yeah, we saw the aftermath of this collision and wondered what had happened.

As a poley, I am sometimes surprised at my fellow windsurfers and how they sail without looking around. I think 50% is a bit much, but I can see your point. I noticed two guys yesterday that seemed to head far downwind without looking out for sailors below them, which scares the crap out of you as you can't see them until they fly past.

As someone else said, there seem to be some kiters that only go a short distance from the sandbar and then tack/gybe, which makes it awkward getting past. If everyone did laps it would make things much easier and ease the congestion.

What's the nicest way to ask beginners that drop their lines across the bay to go somewhere else until they don't drop them?

simmo25
WA, 10 posts
13 Jan 2010 10:11PM
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Unfortunately there is no nice way to ask people to do the right thing. One person might take it offensively and the next person wont. Some people wont say any thing but I believe that being a ****y little mouse and beating around the bush not standing up for yourself and your local spot just asks blow ins to come in and ruin it. After all how many years in a row do you pay taxes and rates to your government what to have some friggin blow in or euro come and stay in a $2 a night van and set up camp up in your local safety bay car park putting absolutely stuff all money in to your local economy and hogging your spot. Support your locals and tell blow ins of any sort to rack off.

FormulaNova said...

RayQ said...

Went down there yesterday, because a mate wanted to spend some time on flat water.
A wind surfer crashed into him, hitting him in the upper torso, he was unable to move for a while but eventually recovered.
It was the wind surfers fault, my mate had right of way. As an ex windsurfer, I could see that he clearly lacked the skills to sail his board in a competent manner , , which goes for about50% of the windsurfers.
Adding to this is the attitude of most of the wind surfers, they are going for speed runs through the kiters, expecting to have everyone move out of their way, like a game of bowling.


Yeah, we saw the aftermath of this collision and wondered what had happened.

As a poley, I am sometimes surprised at my fellow windsurfers and how they sail without looking around. I think 50% is a bit much, but I can see your point. I noticed two guys yesterday that seemed to head far downwind without looking out for sailors below them, which scares the crap out of you as you can't see them until they fly past.

As someone else said, there seem to be some kiters that only go a short distance from the sandbar and then tack/gybe, which makes it awkward getting past. If everyone did laps it would make things much easier and ease the congestion.

What's the nicest way to ask beginners that drop their lines across the bay to go somewhere else until they don't drop them?



WA Surf
WA, 334 posts
14 Jan 2010 12:50AM
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Hey SammyJ there is still pleeeenty of water to use around where we teach, and at least we never teach in the pond...unlike some local kite schools...

fulcrum
WA, 3 posts
14 Jan 2010 1:52AM
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Hi Sam,

From what you have described, my encounters were probably not with the local guys then (I don't know one from the other). Certainly not my mates down there with me that day and I am not sure what photos you are referring to. My issue is with anyone who windsurfs or kites in an unsafe or inconsiderate manner and the collision you guys have mentioned sounds like a classic case of someone not using their eyeballs or the unit they are wired to, though I was not there to see it.

I get equally annoyed if a windsurfer blasts around too close to other sailors or doesn't look before he gybes. You can't do that on the road so why should the water be any different. People forget that there are laws that dictate right of way on the water and if you screw up and hurt someone else you are asking to be sued if you are at fault.....just a general comment, not directed at you Sam. I have seen to many sailors/kiters that don't know port/starboard priorities, etc...and don't know when they should give way. i will always give way to anyone on a starboard tack, irrespective whether they are on a kite or board.

RayQ, I too have come across a few windsurfers who have to sail like heros and blast along at 30 knots 2m from someone standing on the bank, so I know what you guys are talking about.....really stupid.....you only need a bit of gear to fail or to lose it (and everyone does at times) and you have a drama on your hands. I think its a bit of a stretch though to say that most windsurfers have a "get out of my way" attitude. I believe that kite guys have as much right to sail there as I do, despite the encounters I have had. Sounds like the guys that have Pi$$ed me off have done the same to a few of the kiters too. I think it is very sad that the local guys have gotten to the stage that they want to go somewhere else. I don't think they should let the influx get the better of them.

If everyone employs a bit of common sense and consideration and looks downwind, whether they are on a kite or board, then there shouldn't be too many dramas, even with the large number of sailors down there. Like I said before, most of the guys and girls are pretty good.

Hope the guy that got hit the other day is ok.....not good....

SammyJ
WA, 570 posts
14 Jan 2010 2:33AM
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^^^Cheers for that response Fulcrum, just wanted to make clear that none of us guys were down there. My comment about your Brethren was tongue in check, I know the family from my sailing days and now they do both. I would imagine they would be considerate as they are well aware of frustrations on both sides.

WA Surf said...

Hey SammyJ there is still pleeeenty of water to use around where we teach, and at least we never teach in the pond...unlike some local kite schools...


I don't think we should get into this whoever has logged into your WA Surf ID. A locals honest opinion on the impact of your school to us and the surrounding environment just won't be recieved well, would be way off topic too.

fulcrum
WA, 3 posts
14 Jan 2010 1:12PM
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No probs Sam, enjoy your kiting mate. I am seriously going to give kiting a go soon but will do so in a place where I don't get in the way of others as much as possible. Don't let the local guys be displaced by blow-ins who think they own the place. Courteous visitors are not a problem as far as I can see, just the ones who think they own the joint when in fact they are visitors. The locals do deserve some respect.

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
14 Jan 2010 6:26PM
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lots of rabbling going on... Just as many guilty cloud merchants as poleys at the pond, in general we all get along but theres a couple of twats on both sides.... If ur new to a spot or a new kiter its not hard at all to walk up to another kiter and ask what the go is, i do it everytime im at a new spot so that i dont look like a flat douche either.

NumNutz
QLD, 403 posts
15 Jan 2010 12:59AM
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maybe just give a little whistle on your whistle let people know where you are...
good winds..
cam...

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
14 Jan 2010 11:04PM
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NumNutz
QLD, 403 posts
15 Jan 2010 2:59AM
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NumNutz
QLD, 403 posts
16 Jan 2010 2:17AM
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might bring my euro mates down that day..wooooo

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
16 Jan 2010 12:41PM
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euro party at the pond on the 23rd? Ooooh now thing are getting kinky

enicao
WA, 77 posts
16 Jan 2010 1:50PM
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it would be so easy to put a sign with local rules on the beach.
There are already signs for the birds things, just staple a piece of paper with nice drawings underneath. and the job is done.

last time I went there, around 26th december, there was someone teaching his girlfriend how to kite in the pond, she was bodydragging with a RRD C kite around 6 years old 12m, and nobody said anything. something wrong there.

maybe, you should put the boat, back where it was in the pond to catch the bad guys.



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