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Created by kiter2007 > 9 months ago, 4 Apr 2013
Weta
WA, 893 posts
5 Apr 2013 9:06PM
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Read the original post..............Kiter2007 wasn't snivelling he was just after some advice on where he could get his board fixed. Read through the thread and you will see how it progressed from there. [}:)]

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
5 Apr 2013 9:31PM
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Livit said...
cauncy said...
pretty simple one this to me, replace the board with a new one = happy customer and the few hundred people reading this and considering buying a north board still might?, what would this cost north? next to nothing, good customer care keeps punters coming back time and time again, some brands and people need to take the blinkers off and look at the bigger picture, i wouldnt cut my losses id be all over them like a rash 2 boards costing approx 2 grand for a handfull of sessions, doesnt seem like value to me



If the manufacturers would start to replace the boards of all snivelers using forums to complain about the quality of their product they would go straight to the wall.

Some riders are rather brutal on their landing, some go hard on the metro dumpers. The other day I cracked my board losing it on a dumper, and that's why I buy cheaper surfboards.... Don't think that because you spent $1200 on a board it is gonna be unbreakable. Take your expensive Cruiser off road, roll it over then ask for a warranty!


what the f88k has a car got to do with this, if thats your attitude send me $1000 and ill send you a board thatll last a few sessions then see if you want to whinge about it, its about customer care and cost some people arnt on mining wages in wa and 1000 is a big lump of dough to some, ive lived in 5different countries and the customer care here has to be one of the worst ive witnessed , this looks like its happened twice so can understand where hes coming from,as hes done this twice id say hes been loyal to a shop and brand and hasnt had a great outcome, just my oppinion,

Livit
WA, 542 posts
5 Apr 2013 9:54PM
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Retail prices are the same in Europe dude! If you don't want to pay fill price just wait for the superseded or chase a good second hand.

The board got into the wash, what do you expect? It isn't a delamination there is obviously an impact with something. No matter how much you paid, you take a risk then you assume it. A surfboard is not designed for jumping, don't expect a lightweight board to be bulletproof and just be prepared to pay the consequences.

When I see the damage a dumper can do on a person, I am not surprised it can snap a board.

If you want a bulletproof board, get yourself an AXIS Freewave. Not a proper surfboard feel but great for tricks and much stronger than your usual SB.

I've dealt some warranty issues with the named shop, it took some time but they have been great. No point blaming a reputable shop for your mistakes.

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
5 Apr 2013 10:31PM
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The board durability argument is a bit different and off topic but I'll bite.
For $600 you can get a surfboard. It will break in the circumstances that the O.P describes. They all will.

So what does $1200 get you? The same thing but epoxy and painted with a logo? Would seem so.

Windsurf boards are abused way more and rarely break. Why? Styro core, glass, divinycell (PVC) foam, more glass.
Sandwich construction is tougher... waayyy tougher. So if paying $1200 for the same strength as a normal PU foam/glass surfboard, that's just dumb.

A sandwich board would be much much stronger. For double the price I'd expect better.

What is North's construction? Epoxy surfboard plus heel patches and maybe a layer of bamboo on one side (thats an extra $10 and is sort of kinda sandwich). And for that you pay double...?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
5 Apr 2013 11:26PM
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Mark _australia said...
The board durability argument is a bit different and off topic but I'll bite.
For $600 you can get a surfboard. It will break in the circumstances that the O.P describes. They all will.

So what does $1200 get you? The same thing but epoxy and painted with a logo? Would seem so.

Windsurf boards are abused way more and rarely break. Why? Styro core, glass, divinycell (PVC) foam, more glass.
Sandwich construction is tougher... waayyy tougher. So if paying $1200 for the same strength as a normal PU foam/glass surfboard, that's just dumb.

A sandwich board would be much much stronger. For double the price I'd expect better.

What is North's construction? Epoxy surfboard plus heel patches and maybe a layer of bamboo on one side (thats an extra $10 and is sort of kinda sandwich). And for that you pay double...?




and manufactured in a country where the average wage of $3500 aus dollars per year helps

clay
WA, 31 posts
6 Apr 2013 12:39AM
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I have to agree with cauncy, I believe in good customer service, which includes good communication, it appears that has not happened in this case!Also It makes me wonder if North have been amazing with their warranty's this year...how many other people have had this (or similar) problem. as i said before sounds dodgy to me. A New, High end board breaks in the first few weeks and warranty is refused??

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
6 Apr 2013 2:30AM
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Denying a warranty claim due to damage is hardly bad customer service??? It seems Darren and North have already gone beyond what would normally be expected, twice over (unless I've misread it again) they are satisfied its not a warranty issue but were still trying to get the OP back on the water.

I can vouch for AKS and their enthusiasm in getting a (Core) warranty claim sorted ASAP, and secondly for North boards. My Whip has been treated worse than a Highgate hooker but it just keeps going and going., the bloody thing just won't die.

pearl
NSW, 984 posts
6 Apr 2013 9:52AM
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I think that ridiculous high end pricing should include warranty against water impact, even if only for short period. Otherwise, what incentive is there to buy them over an Australian made product. At the same time as frustrating as it may be, don't take it out on the retailers, shop staff..... They are just meat in the sandwich and your best opportunity to get a resolution. $1,000 + for a board... pffft. The great majority of the kiting brands shapes are absolute pigs anyway. If your in the wrong spot on a wave, your board can break/crease/ or ding, even in a 1 foot shorey regardless of construction, unless the thing weighs a tonne. You could buy 3 regular surfboard factory secounds for the same price. You will probably get just as much lifespan and enjoyment out of each of these boards as the high end model. Also gives you the opportunity to mix it up & experiment with different models. Kind of moves you up the pecking order to design a board for yourself, rather than adjusting your riding for the stock outline. By the end of the third one you should know the dimensions, weight, construction you are after. Find yourself a local shaper. Get something custom made to your specifications, glassing materials, dimensions. BTW IT WON'T HAVE A WARRANTY.

eppo
WA, 9503 posts
6 Apr 2013 10:27AM
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As I see it what is AKS to do? Of north have rejected the warranty then what does a retailer do with that?

I'm not to sure on the phone calling communication saga, this is where individuals perceptions become tainted. So lets leave that for now.

But AKS have asked north about the warranty and north have said no. So put yourself in their shoes, where do they go from there?

I have seen nothing but problems with these mass produced SBs from people I kite with. This includes 5 different boards from 4 different companies.

But.. You are using a SB with a kite. Don't forget that. And a stronger board means a heavier board generally. Unless you go carbon. Then expense rises dramatically.

Personally I think it is part of the territory gotta be realistic.

But I'm not denying at all how frustrating it must be for this fella. Four of these boards I have mentioned are still being sorted through with the manufacturer. Even after a couple of months. Farq that I say.

blueprint
WA, 321 posts
6 Apr 2013 10:44AM
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^^^^ I think Weta said it best

Weta said...
Read the original post..............Kiter2007 wasn't snivelling he was just after some advice on where he could get his board fixed. Read through the thread and you will see how it progressed from there. [}:)]


zarb
NSW, 620 posts
6 Apr 2013 3:35PM
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Mark _australia said...
The board durability argument is a bit different and off topic but I'll bite.
For $600 you can get a surfboard. It will break in the circumstances that the O.P describes. They all will.

So what does $1200 get you? The same thing but epoxy and painted with a logo? Would seem so.

Windsurf boards are abused way more and rarely break. Why? Styro core, glass, divinycell (PVC) foam, more glass.
Sandwich construction is tougher... waayyy tougher. So if paying $1200 for the same strength as a normal PU foam/glass surfboard, that's just dumb.

A sandwich board would be much much stronger. For double the price I'd expect better.

What is North's construction? Epoxy surfboard plus heel patches and maybe a layer of bamboo on one side (thats an extra $10 and is sort of kinda sandwich). And for that you pay double...?






Hey Mark can you break down a few of the constructions for me? I have been surfing my entire life on PU boards so I don't really know much about the other methods. Like the basic epoxy vs sandwich construction.

I was in a kite shop this morning and had a look at Cabrinha, Naish, and North surfboards side by side.

North was what I expected a normal surfboard to feel like. It didn't feel like plastic unlike some other epoxy standup surfboards I have felt before. It was a lot thicker than the other boards and was lighter. It had a grainier sanded feel to the material, almost like a regular PU board.

Cabrinha boards were a lot thinner, and a lot heavier than the North boards. It didn't feel like the surfboards I am used to, and it felt like a tough dense plastic but without a glass feel. It felt very solid.

The Naish was almost as heavy as the Cabrinha, but not quite. It was VERY thin, about half the thickness of the North boards, and the surface felt like a very thick glass job that I would normally expect on a classic log longboard.

3 very different feeling boards from 3 different brands, and all were dedicated kite boards (?). What are the main construction differences?

clay
WA, 31 posts
6 Apr 2013 1:08PM
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Hey Zarb, I don't know anything about construction but I have had a similar experience as Chris6791 with my Whip, I love it and it hasn't let be down once. Maybe the x-surf is not as suitable for Perth conditions (I understand Kiter2007 was under the impression that the 2013 model was constructed differently from the 2012, and therefore would not break , but we've seen the evidence) I'm not sure which model of North you were looking at but this has been my experience for what its worth.

zarb
NSW, 620 posts
6 Apr 2013 4:17PM
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There was a Whip, Pro Series, and a Skimfish (which looks like it would be awesome fun!). All felt the same in terms of materials used.

clay
WA, 31 posts
6 Apr 2013 3:45PM
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I recon They all feel very similar to the touch including the x-surf, it was just a bit lighter than the whip.

the walks
WA, 448 posts
6 Apr 2013 5:22PM
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i've watched this post progress, i have a 2013 x-whip & a 2013 whip, one is ridden strapped(whip) & x-whip strapless. No heal dents on either, now i don't jump the x-whip but my son does, the whip go's large . No impact damage on either board
Now that creased nose is exactly like 2 surfboards & 1 sup that i've owned, all of which nosedived into our lovely Perth metro beach-breaks

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
6 Apr 2013 5:32PM
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zarb said...
Mark _australia said...
blah blah crap on a bit..




Hey Mark can you break down a few of the constructions for me? I have been surfing my entire life on PU boards so I don't really know much about the other methods. Like the basic epoxy vs sandwich construction.



Old school surfboard - polyurethane foam ("Clark" foam) with fibreglass and polyester resin.

New school epoxy surf - polystyrene core about H grade (20-30kg/m3 ish??? can't recall) with glass and epoxy resin. May have carbon / dyneema etc patches but you can't see cos it is painted. Probably no stringers like conventional surfboards. Often they are popouts so the thickness and quality of glass is really hard to ascertain. Most will be similar strength to the former, quality ones a little stronger than old-school construction. But you dunno what you are getting it maybe moulded with t he polystyrene balls blown in then fused together which is waaay weaker than a proper styro blank shaped then laminated.

Stronger - new school construction with addition of a wood layer. Best is pine, most will be balsa whish is marginally weaker than pine and soaks up more resin.
Addition of carbon fibre patches under feet etc is even better.

Best - polystyrene core with a layer of glass, then divinycell (PVC foam) vacuum bagged on, then more glass. Very hard to do. This is how windsurf boards are built and why they are $2000 - $3000. Very labour intensive, especially in getting the very rigid foam to bend around the styro core. Pic coming...

Basically a sandwich will always be stronger than the sum of the parts. Like laminated wood, or the cardboard with the zigzag layer in the middle. Much more rigid.

I found it impossible to find a pic of north's construction - even a 'claimed' construction. However given kiter2007's damage i would suggest it is basically a popout surfboard like NSP, with addition of one extra layer - maybe wood - to make i marginally stronger than a surfboard. Not worth double the price methinks.
But then you blokes won't want to pay $1500 for a board surely...

above is styro, 2 layers of 3mm divinycell and glass in a 2004 model WS board.

zarb
NSW, 620 posts
6 Apr 2013 9:05PM
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Just had a look at some of the spiels on the construction methods:

North
Bamboo Tech:
Using our Bamboo Tech construction, we take full advantage of the dynamic qualities of natural bamboo. Optimized layers and the mix with composite materials help us to construct powerful, agile and versatile directionals that come with a unique flex - Responsive Flex!

Not very informative...



Cabrinha
Eco Cork & Bamboo construction:
+ Light weight EPS core
+ CORK & BAMBOO Sandwich layering
+ Durable deck and shell
+ inserts

Signature Construction:
+ moderate density pu core
+ wood stringer
+ Performance flex
+ no inserts

The eco cork and bamboo construction sounds similar to what North is constructed from (with what little info they give), but the boards felt very very different when compared side by side



Naish





Best

Mark _australia
WA, 22392 posts
6 Apr 2013 6:21PM
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Naish and Best - that's what we wanna see.

I have repaired a LOT of windsurfing boards claiming to be carbon/kevlar or whatever and the actual areas it is used in and how much can vary widely. Like 'snap in 1 year on flatwater' or 'last 10yrs of mega abuse' kind of "widely"
I'd like to see all manufacturers honestly show what is in them.

kiter2007
WA, 102 posts
6 Apr 2013 8:22PM
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the walks said...
i've watched this post progress, i have a 2013 x-whip & a 2013 whip, one is ridden strapped(whip) & x-whip strapless. No heal dents on either, now i don't jump the x-whip but my son does, the whip go's large . No impact damage on either board
Now that creased nose is exactly like 2 surfboards & 1 sup that i've owned, all of which nosedived into our lovely Perth metro beach-breaks



Wouldn't this indicate that i it was manufacturing defect? Why would i have heel dents after just 4 sessions and your son has been jumping yours without any issues? I am 80kg so wouldnt say i am massive! I do understand what your saying with shore dumps been brutal on boards. But i don't feel this is the case this time round!

the walks
WA, 448 posts
7 Apr 2013 11:15AM
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kiter2007 said...
the walks said...
i've watched this post progress, i have a 2013 x-whip & a 2013 whip, one is ridden strapped(whip) & x-whip strapless. No heal dents on either, now i don't jump the x-whip but my son does, the whip go's large . No impact damage on either board
Now that creased nose is exactly like 2 surfboards & 1 sup that i've owned, all of which nosedived into our lovely Perth metro beach-breaks



Wouldn't this indicate that i it was manufacturing defect? Why would i have heel dents after just 4 sessions and your son has been jumping yours without any issues? I am 80kg so wouldnt say i am massive! I do understand what your saying with shore dumps been brutal on boards. But i don't feel this is the case this time round!


Not sure here, manufacturing defect, possibly, big impact from jumps not quite timed right, possibly, who knows the list goes on, my post was purely about my experience with boards, tried for warranty on the sup, only the 3rd time out on it and had a minor nosedive into sand at mullaz, $1,800.00 board, Naish laughed i paid for the repair with no discount and now use it as my old dinger, the joys of the sports we love



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