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Newbie - Lessons learned so far...

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Created by SaltySinus > 9 months ago, 8 Nov 2012
vkay89
5 posts
19 Jan 2013 3:50PM
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fcalmon said...
Hi vkay89,

Check this out



Thanks heaps! it actually makes a lot of sense once you think about it :D

Cheers mate, and thanks for the quick reply. Really liking the attitude of this forum!

Phoney
NSW, 601 posts
19 Jan 2013 11:44PM
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@kiterkook, Yes I think it was Ian. Top bloke! :)


One question though, how do I re launch the kite if it crashes to the ground without any assistance from anyone?
I've tried sort of 'whipping' the lines but has no effect. I feel as though if I don't have anyone with me next time I go out It will be much of a challenge trying to re launch the kite by itself again. Any tips?

Cheers guys


Jerk the centre lines, this will reverse the kite a couple of meters off the ground, then pull hard left (or right) to flip it up in the right direction again.

SuperPoop
QLD, 73 posts
20 Jan 2013 5:54PM
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Well I had my first lesson yesterday through Kitepower. Dave was my instructor, top bloke who had me feeling relaxed in no time. I say relaxed as I was absolutely ****ting myself prior to launching the kite.

Had a blast of a time. I never ended up getting up on the board though, which was abit of a let down. But apparently that's quite normal for the first lesson. Im sore today, but I can't wait to get back out there, and hopefully up on the board.

bene313
WA, 1347 posts
20 Jan 2013 4:16PM
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Phoney said...
Jerk the centre lines, this will reverse the kite a couple of meters off the ground, then pull hard left (or right) to flip it up in the right direction again.


Don't you mean jerk the steering lines?

Phoney
NSW, 601 posts
21 Jan 2013 12:27AM
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For a big kite yes, for his trainer: This is what's in my ozone ignition manual....

Reverse Relaunch
"Take the safety wrist leash line, and pull it up until you see the kite reversing. As the kite reverses off the ground, keep holding the safety wrist leash line and turn the bar at the same time. This helps flip the kite over ready to re-launch"

kiterkook
NSW, 63 posts
22 Jan 2013 9:15PM
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Tops session at Le'Sands 1st Carpark yesterday, a great crew frothing over 15kn fun.

Lessons learnt:

1. Tony shared a kitemare story explaining why I should always launch with the kite at the waters edge and me away from the waters edge.

2. A tip practiced from this thread .. when taking-off, drop the kite with agression, point the board down wind and let the harness pull you out of the water. Feels awesome when you get the hang feel of this, and every start'll be a confidence boost for the run out.

3. After hooting me while passing on my first 'trimming' run out, Craige from Liverpool (tops bloke) gave me this tip: when passing, the person up wind keeps their kite high and the person down wind keeps their kite low. Me? until yesterday I just ****e myself, put the kite high and dropped into the water when anyone came near me :P

Now I know the protocol and have no need to fear passing.

By the way .... if ur a SYD noob, check 'the hook up' threads, there's a few of us who are letting each other know when we're heading for kite.

Gateman
QLD, 409 posts
22 Jan 2013 10:53PM
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Kook, I would have hoped they teach you this as standard practice during lessons?

kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/safety/right-of-way-rules

Plenty more safety and "rules of the road" in the above link.
Cheers

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:40PM
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Gateman said...
Kook, I would have hoped they teach you this as standard practice during lessons?

kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/safety/right-of-way-rules

Plenty more safety and "rules of the road" in the above link.
Cheers



Hey Gatey, yeah, I agree, they certainly should... but mine didn't!

I've reviewed them, and still trying to get them to sink in! Not hard I know, but when one's learning, all brain power is employed to keeping kite/board/balance correct to stay erect (so to speak... I just love the sport!).

Hybrid_Z
VIC, 382 posts
23 Jan 2013 8:23PM
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kiterkook said...
when passing, the person up wind keeps their kite high and the person down wind keeps their kite low. Me? until yesterday I just ****e myself, put the kite high and dropped into the water when anyone came near me :P


Every learner should be taught this as part of their lessons. Been seeing quite a few incidents lately as a result of a learner stacking down wind of someone, raising their kite to 12 and getting tangled. When i learnt i had two things drilled into my head, don't learn in direct on shore conditions and if you stack downwind of someone and no one is nearby down wind of you try to keep your kite low.

I know it can be hard to keep track of everything when you are learning but if you can get the hang of this simple rule i can guarantee everyone around you will appreciate it.

8Phill8
WA, 26 posts
23 Jan 2013 8:52PM
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Really do like this thread it's be massively helpful!!
Did a down winder today that gave me about an hour on the water....loved it..gives you so much more time to work on skills like edging and getting over waves without getting smashed
The advice on getting up via harness pressure instead of using your arms made a big difference and setting up your lines by connecting the centre 2 first then unrolling is a ripper!!! So much easier.
Thanks guys

arloj
WA, 237 posts
23 Jan 2013 9:11PM
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8Phill8 said...
Really do like this thread it's be massively helpful!!
Did a down winder today that gave me about an hour on the water....loved it..gives you so much more time to work on skills like edging and getting over waves without getting smashed
The advice on getting up via harness pressure instead of using your arms made a big difference and setting up your lines by connecting the centre 2 first then unrolling is a ripper!!! So much easier.
Thanks guys



Give us a message if you go out again tomorrow il be keen!

Phoney
NSW, 601 posts
24 Jan 2013 12:46AM
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Hybrid_Z said...When i learnt i had two things drilled into my head, don't learn in direct on shore conditions


Hmm. Why is that?

I actually found learning in direct onshore easier than in direct cross shore. I body drag out 100+m, then get up on my board and then do a few runs left and right until I get too close to shore, then stop & repeat. For the following reasons:

* Getting separated from your board means that you only need to come back to shore and wait for the thing to drift back to you, rather than body drag around frantically searching for it... (can be very hard to see if it's choppy and a long way out)
* If you end up in the situation where the kite lands in the water twisted around the lines and wont relaunch (happened to me once), you will end up back on the beach, rather than drifting out for miles & needing to self rescue.
* Body dragging out is far easier than walking back up the beach, dodging kids / sunbathers and pulling a kite upwind.

Hybrid_Z
VIC, 382 posts
24 Jan 2013 12:42PM
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Phoney said...
Hybrid_Z said...When i learnt i had two things drilled into my head, don't learn in direct on shore conditions


Hmm. Why is that?

I actually found learning in direct onshore easier than in direct cross shore. I body drag out 100+m, then get up on my board and then do a few runs left and right until I get too close to shore, then stop & repeat. For the following reasons:

* Getting separated from your board means that you only need to come back to shore and wait for the thing to drift back to you, rather than body drag around frantically searching for it... (can be very hard to see if it's choppy and a long way out)
* If you end up in the situation where the kite lands in the water twisted around the lines and wont relaunch (happened to me once), you will end up back on the beach, rather than drifting out for miles & needing to self rescue.
* Body dragging out is far easier than walking back up the beach, dodging kids / sunbathers and pulling a kite upwind.



Because when something goes wrong you are going to get dragged straight on to the beach, go to Woodies beach 1 for an arvo and you will see what i mean. In cross-on shore conditions you can stack it, loop your kite, pull in on your bar and just get a bit of a shock as you skip across the water. On shore has the potential to end much worse.

Learning shouldn't be about whats easier, it should be about what is safer.

kiterkook
NSW, 63 posts
24 Jan 2013 11:05PM
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Gateman said...
Kook, I would have hoped they teach you this as standard practice during lessons?

kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/safety/right-of-way-rules

Plenty more safety and "rules of the road" in the above link.
Cheers


Awesome link Gateman, cheers for sharing.
I'm a career geek who R'sTFM ;)

And like Salty, the up/down wind convention wasn't shared during any of my lessons ... if there's any Kitepower folk following this thread, here's a simple rule that'll benefit kooks everywhere!

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
24 Jan 2013 8:56PM
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Today i learnt (after several goes) not to put the wrong foot forward when water starting other wise you very quickly end up crashing the kite and face planting hard.

So far my kite control is rather good but i can see getting up is going to be a bit of a challenge.

Also i think sunnies are going to save my eyes a world of pain. Thanks to a day spent trolling for cairns marlin a few years ago without sunnies, my eyes have never been the same.

Definitely hooked hard but it'll be even better once i' half reasonable :)

Rodno
32 posts
24 Jan 2013 9:25PM
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Hybrid_Z said...
kiterkook said...
when passing, the person up wind keeps their kite high and the person down wind keeps their kite low. Me? until yesterday I just ****e myself, put the kite high and dropped into the water when anyone came near me :P


Every learner should be taught this as part of their lessons. Been seeing quite a few incidents lately as a result of a learner stacking down wind of someone, raising their kite to 12 and getting tangled. When i learnt i had two things drilled into my head, don't learn in direct on shore conditions and if you stack downwind of someone and no one is nearby down wind of you try to keep your kite low.

I know it can be hard to keep track of everything when you are learning but if you can get the hang of this simple rule i can guarantee everyone around you will appreciate it.


As much as I am annoyed by the less experienced downwind of me keeping the kite high, I believe it is courteous for the more experienced and capable to be more accommodating.

More often than not it's the more experienced that can be "gracious" - do an awesome boost downwind of the noob and go back upwind so that noob can carry on minding his/her own business

Now that's style.

fcalmon
QLD, 165 posts
25 Jan 2013 10:11AM
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@rodno, you are a gentleman ! 99% of people I met at KFC are nice like you. Been surfing since i was a kid and we don't see that many people being nice to newbies...

Gateman
QLD, 409 posts
25 Jan 2013 10:49AM
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MDSXR6T said...

Also i think sunnies are going to save my eyes a world of pain. Thanks to a day spent trolling for cairns marlin a few years ago without sunnies, my eyes have never been the same.



Couldn't agree more MD (I worked in the marine industry for 8 years & can't go without sunnies)
Got a pair of the Seabreeze specs for Xmas and loving them, good strap to secure them and reasonably priced. I recommend polarised sunnies for water use, cuts the glare and allows you to see obstacles under the water better than non polarised.
Cheers

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Jan 2013 12:18PM
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I'm going out this weekend for the first time in a month... I can't help but feel like I'm back to square 1.

Fingers crossed for good weather on monday at Rosebud!

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
25 Jan 2013 12:39PM
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Gateman said...
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Couldn't agree more MD (I worked in the marine industry for 8 years & can't go without sunnies)
Got a pair of the Seabreeze specs for Xmas and loving them, good strap to secure them and reasonably priced. I recommend polarised sunnies for water use, cuts the glare and allows you to see obstacles under the water better than non polarised.
Cheers


Picked up a set this morning from airborne and i've no doubt they'll make a world of difference. I might just start wearing them once i can get up and stay up so i reduce the chance of loosing them.

Speaking of getting on the board, do you guys rely on the harness / kite pulling you up or body movement because i'm a bigger bloke my core strength isnt so great

Peterdj
VIC, 139 posts
25 Jan 2013 5:08PM
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I wear fuglies polarised safety sunglasses, realy realy good.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
25 Jan 2013 7:07PM
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MDSXR6T said...

Speaking of getting on the board, do you guys rely on the harness / kite pulling you up or body movement because i'm a bigger bloke my core strength isnt so great



I used to use my arms to pull myself up as it felt natural. It made controlling the kite much harder as you've your body weight on the bar who's distance from the harness is determining the power you're being pulled out the water.

Took me a fair bit of practice, but now rely on the harness which is more comfortable. I'm not sure core strength is a big issue as I think the harness should be pulling you over the board so you essentially roll to the upright position (as if you're doing the final part of a forward roll on the ground...). I could be speaking rubbish though... I'm still new!

Gateman
QLD, 409 posts
25 Jan 2013 8:36PM
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SaltySinus said...
I'm going out this weekend for the first time in a month... I can't help but feel like I'm back to square 1.

Fingers crossed for good weather on monday at Rosebud!


You'll be fine Salty, it's like riding a bike.
Didn't Kite once in 6 years (due to kids) and in November last year stood up 1st attempt, 20 min session staying upwind and came back exhausted due to lack of kiting fitness but as stoked as I ever was.
Muscle memory stays with you I think.
Hoping you have good wind Sunday, used to live Mt Martha but water too cold for a wuss like me so moved to Sunny Coast 4 yrs ago.Cheers

kookhat
NSW, 4 posts
27 Jan 2013 1:57AM
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Learnt something the other day from my day job that I can transfer to kiting:

After coming off the board, count to your self while upwind body dragging and having the kite parked (if possible) sometimes it can be difficult to find exactly where the board is but if you count say 20 seconds in one direction and then come back another 20 seconds in the other direction you would be pretty unlucky to find your board anywhere but immediately downwind of your final position, works for me anyway.

SuperPoop
QLD, 73 posts
28 Jan 2013 7:40PM
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Has anyone else found themselves selling of things to fund kite gear? On that note if anyone wants to buy a kayak or SUP

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
30 Jan 2013 12:58PM
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kookhat said...
Learnt something the other day from my day job that I can transfer to kiting:

After coming off the board, count to your self while upwind body dragging and having the kite parked (if possible) sometimes it can be difficult to find exactly where the board is but if you count say 20 seconds in one direction and then come back another 20 seconds in the other direction you would be pretty unlucky to find your board anywhere but immediately downwind of your final position, works for me anyway.




Good tip, especially in choppy water. You can also use the kite to lift you out of the water to find the board... but risk ending up further away from it.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
30 Jan 2013 1:03PM
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Oh , I went out for the first time last night in weeks. I accidentally edged up wind last night! If only I could recreate it.

SaltySinus
VIC, 960 posts
31 Jan 2013 2:47PM
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Hello, I'm struggling to get up wind. So I've set myself the following home work:

Read:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Articles/Kitesurfing/How-to-go-upwind-on-your-kiteboard_3214258.aspx

and read:
kitesurfing-handbook.peterskiteboarding.com/progression/going-upwind

Note to self, get the board 45 degrees + off the water.

zarb
NSW, 624 posts
31 Jan 2013 6:29PM
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Just got kitted out by Steve at Kitepower (Thanks!), and we are being rewarded by 3 days of awesome wind down at Jervis Bay. Hope the N'lry isn't too gusty!

toma
VIC, 20 posts
31 Jan 2013 6:43PM
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Hey all, I'm really enjoying this thread, some excellent stuff being passed around. I've recently been taking leaps and bounds in my ability, starting to head upwind in my natural direction (left). I'd been really struggling for a while so took a lesson while I was in Merimbula on holiday with the local school and Peter really ironed out some bad habits I'd developed, I couldn't believe how much kite control techniques I'd forgotten!

One that really helped me with getting rid of the tendency to pull the bar in while starting was to only ever pull the bar in momentarily to turn the kite and generally let it fly on its front lines. Obviously this isn't a universal rule, but when there's enough wind and you're only doing basic stuff it's super helpful.

Also, when trying to body drag upwind to your board (I've had plenty of practice) keep the kite really high, not low, otherwise it will drag you back down wind.

One question though... I was out at St.Kilda on Monday (soooo busy) and I caught up to a guy on the same tack, I'm not so sure how I could slow down so I just dropped and did a water start in the other direction. What's the deal if you're going faster than someone and want to pass?

Cheers.



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