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Forums > Kitesurfing   Newbies / Tips & Tricks

Pop

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Created by Wihan > 9 months ago, 28 Feb 2012
Wihan
QLD, 26 posts
28 Feb 2012 2:36PM
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Hi all
I am trying to learn to pop, but have had no success so far.
I can pop over a bit of chop quite easily, but on flat water I just barely make it of the water.
I was just wondering exactly why do you bare of for a second before loading again? Is this just for balance to really be able to load well?
I bare of, then edge hard and just seem to kick up a bunch of spray and kill speed.
Thanks

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
28 Feb 2012 3:13PM
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Obviously, practice is the key. That said, particularly on flat water, try playing around with not baring off. I often get my best pop in flat water when I edge hard, build up speed and release the edge. Releasing the edge is something that took me a while to really understand and "feel". I started to get it by allowing the kite and the tension that had been built up to lift me from the water as I "popped" up and stopped edging hard. Make sure you don't kill the power in the kite by edging hard and barring in too much.

Wihan
QLD, 26 posts
28 Feb 2012 3:26PM
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Thanks BurkeyBoy,
I will give that a go, so just load up, riding at moderate speed and then release the edge.
Sounds like it's going involve some face planting :-)

The5MetreKid
QLD, 179 posts
28 Feb 2012 5:44PM
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hey wihan,
when learning to pop i found it easiest to -
to pop you need to be going your proffered direction (goofy or natural), get speed while edging against the kite, once you have enough speed spot your takeoff (chop is easiest while learning) slightly edge towards the kite and letting a bit of slack in your lines, then aggressively edge against the kite quickly, and roll onto your toes, then bring your feet back under neath you to land cleanly. The actual pop should be a quick and fast movement.
once you can comfidently do this hooked in, try the same technique but unhook when you are edging towards the kite. Just remember not to send the kite and try keep your hands in the middle of the bar.
heres a few video tutorials -

unhooked raley (same concept, just dont focus on getting your legs above your head yet)



hooked in pop


hope that helps.

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
28 Feb 2012 8:55PM
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One step at a time. Forget unhooking for now and just remember the KISS principal.. Keep It Simple Stupid.

kitcho207
NSW, 861 posts
29 Feb 2012 1:54AM
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Hey. I been trying load n pop hooked in and wasn't getting huge amounts of air. Just enough for a grab. From the second vid in this post it looks like you need to be unhooked to get the big pop. Is that true? I know practice, practice, practice, but wondering if heading on the right track.

Also!
Do you get more pop on different rear pigtail settings i.e. A or B (best kahoona 2011 V3)
The kite boosts ok when you send it, but don't seem real lofty.

Cheers
Kitch

adante
50 posts
29 Feb 2012 6:23AM
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Wihan said...

I was just wondering exactly why do you bare of for a second before loading again? Is this just for balance to really be able to load well?


I am also a pop beginner so take this with a grain of salt, but I believe the bearing off (heading downwind) for a second is done to build up speed. This is done to compensate for the speed you scrub off when you load the board by edging hard upwind (well strictly the speed is converted into pop as opposed to just scrubbed).

kitcho207 said...

Hey. I been trying load n pop hooked in and wasn't getting huge amounts of air. Just enough for a grab. From the second vid in this post it looks like you need to be unhooked to get the big pop. Is that true? I know practice, practice, practice, but wondering if heading on the right track.


Hey this is interesting and I'd also like to know the answer. I've been trying to pop hooked in the past few sessions and haven't been able to get much higher than for the hooked in examples in the progression.me(second) video. Never (intentionally) rode unhooked before, might have to get started.

BurkeyBoy
QLD, 549 posts
29 Feb 2012 9:23AM
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Sure, you're gonna get more pop unhooked. But as a few of you are struggling to get good pop hooked in I would assume you're still at a relative beginner to intermediate stage? Have a go at unhooking if you like at this stage, good luck with that There are stages of progression for a reason. I get hooked in pop up to 6 feet in flat water. Speed and quick release of the edge is the key.

KIT33R
NSW, 1715 posts
29 Feb 2012 11:28AM
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A board with a reasonable bit of flex also helps.
Slightly off topic - how do you get good pop toeside? Do I need stronger toes?

adante
50 posts
29 Feb 2012 3:41PM
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BurkeyBoy said...

Sure, you're gonna get more pop unhooked. But as a few of you are struggling to get good pop hooked in I would assume you're still at a relative beginner to intermediate stage? Have a go at unhooking if you like at this stage, good luck with that There are stages of progression for a reason. I get hooked in pop up to 6 feet in flat water. Speed and quick release of the edge is the key.


At the moment I can consistently pop 4-5 feet both sides, but I am struggling to pop and simultaneously get my board set up for anything other than a basic grab. Was hoping a bit more airtime would fix that, but maybe I'll just keep practicing hooked for now.

djdojo
VIC, 1610 posts
1 Mar 2012 12:21AM
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@ WihanYou bear off so that the kite is deeper in the window when you load up and so that you can get some momentum of your body moving away from the kite, leaning further back as the tension in the lines is reduced, so you can load them up more as you carve away again.

@ KIT33R A flexy board will not help with pop. Most freeride boards these days have pathetically flexy tips that can't be loaded up. They just bend and absorb the energy: great for folk who have yet to learn to ride well through chop, crap for loading up.

Toeside pop will never be as strong, but same principles apply. That said, even Hadlow has his kite a bit higher when he initiates toeside tricks and therefore gets more height from his kite and requires less pop component.

4 Mar 2012 10:23AM
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Wihan said...

Hi all
I am trying to learn to pop, but have had no success so far.
I can pop over a bit of chop quite easily, but on flat water I just barely make it of the water.
I was just wondering exactly why do you bare of for a second before loading again? Is this just for balance to really be able to load well?
I bare of, then edge hard and just seem to kick up a bunch of spray and kill speed.
Thanks


Well the guys that really know how to pop, that I've observed and have now begun to photograph, don't bare off. They just ride fast enough in the first place. They bare upwind HARD, look at the angle of Felix's and Ash's boards just prior to lift off. Look at the amount of water they have moved and are getting the "pop" from?
Remember for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction, push on the water and it will push back

Massive load up from Felix, look at the hole in the water he is leaving

Ash Garwood

Ash Garwood loading for a rotation

Yep Felix is in boots and thats some intense loading, the photo clearly illustrates the loading thats required to get "massive" pop.

yeah?

4 Mar 2012 11:57AM
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kitcho207 said...

Hey. I been trying load n pop hooked in and wasn't getting huge amounts of air. Just enough for a grab. From the second vid in this post it looks like you need to be unhooked to get the big pop. Is that true? I know practice, practice, practice, but wondering if heading on the right track.

Also!
Do you get more pop on different rear pigtail settings i.e. A or B (best kahoona 2011 V3)
The kite boosts ok when you send it, but don't seem real lofty.

Cheers
Kitch


The pigtail settings do jack, you can trim the kite with the trimmer, way more than you can with the 2-4cm difference in the pigtail knots. Pigtail knots are so redundant, but some brands designers/marketers cannot get their head around their irrelevance.

The only use they have is for adjusting out line stretch so forget them. Trim your kite so that when you unhook, all 4 lines are equal or the fronts are slightly longer, the key thing is that your kite does not stall (back up) or flying slowly.

Pop comes from the riders action with board, depending on the trick sometimes the kite needs to be turned up more or less. Just start with raleys, unhooked, don't move on until you have them perfected in both directions.

NickT
WA, 1094 posts
4 Mar 2012 9:47AM
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You bear off also as its easier to unhook, it maybe only subtle and more of a flattening off edge rather than bearing downwind.

kitcho207
NSW, 861 posts
4 Mar 2012 1:16PM
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I have been using Liquid Force board shorts with dyanbar. I don't think it would be great for unhooking as the hook flips up as soon as you unhook. Might go back to waist harness next session to try riding unhooked and then a raley.
Thanks for the info
Kitch



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