I'm looking for an alternative bar and lines for the B4s that I have. Just snapped few lines and also had problems with the bar itself before on the B4. They are not supersafe either so does anyone know of a alternative bar that can be used?
I heard a while ago that Core GTS bar works?
cheers
check out the Blade UNI bar, its got a nice CL, good swivel, adjustable bar ends, good quality lines and reliable safety.
With the small bend in the bar its also the most comfortable bar i have used.
It comes with pigtails so it can be easily adapted to any kite.
Yeh that bend in the bar makes sense...does it really help? In theory it should...
I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
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I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
No issues with the 2013 bandit bar thankfully. Same length lines on the bandits so any bar&line setup will do,but best with a decent depower range.
Prob cheaper to upgrade ur bandit before next season rather then just hunt new bar&lines. Grab a b5 or 6. Beats the crap outa the old faithful 4
All bars mentioned above flag to one front line. The bandit flags to both.
Yes, the kite will fly but it wont flag out as designed and will likely go into a spin.
Ones that will work are:
Core
Best
Crapinha
Epic
+ many more
Buy a b6 with the new bar going cheap now , don't bother with your b4, it's not a touch on the b5 and 6. Anyone that has one will tell you the same.
I fly my bandits on Ozone bars. Cheaper and better. They are 25m lines as standard up to 2012 but ozone want for shorter 23m lines to shorten the range of there kites for 2913 so you buy another bar or kite quicker I would guess.
The bandits fly awesome on 25m lines and prefer them on that to the standard Fone 24m ones. Also te bloke that said they don't flag on one line is not correct. They flag soundly on one line with the ozone bars no problems at all.
Just bought a bandit 6 14m today. Seriously awesome kite.
The guys saying the 5 and 6 are better than the old fours are correct. The bandit 4 was an average kite. The bandit 5 and 6 is an amazing all around but of kit. Flown loads of brands and the 5 and 6 bandits are the only kite I've tried that does all disciplines awesomely.using an ozone bar on them gives you the same smooth depower and range as an edge or catalyst. Much more fun kites though!
Three month old bar - I liked the bar but the depower rope should have last longer ( Universal Naish bar)
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I fly my bandits on Ozone bars. Cheaper and better. They are 25m lines as standard up to 2012 but ozone want for shorter 23m lines to shorten the range of there kites for 2913 so you buy another bar or kite quicker I would guess.
Only C4 comes with 23m lines. All others are still on 25m lines.
Single line flag out on dual line safety = good
Single line flag out on single line safety = good
Dual line flag out on single line safety = bad
Dual line flag out on single line safety = experimental, probably bad. 
Best to ask the shop about that, yes ozone bit cheaper at 489 with lines but the core sensor at 539 will cover all sizes you do the math?
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I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
This is what happened to mine after I forgot to rinse it once with fresh water farrrk, so now I'm looking for a replacement too and it won't be F-one bar that's for sure. P.s. that was 2012 bar the one where they fixed the issue.
and people especially on the kiteforum continue to justify this piece of rubbish...
Select to expand quoteshane75 said..cauncy said...
I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
This is what happened to mine after I forgot to rinse it once with fresh water farrrk, so now I'm looking for a replacement too and it won't be F-one bar that's for sure. P.s. that was 2012 bar the one where they fixed the issue.
Forgetting to rinse it once would not have caused that . They are made of crap grade aluminium , every person I know of with that model bar had problems , I know personally of 3or 4 that shaped in half.
Select to expand quoteRattlehead said...shane75 said..cauncy said...
I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
This is what happened to mine after I forgot to rinse it once with fresh water farrrk, so now I'm looking for a replacement too and it won't be F-one bar that's for sure. P.s. that was 2012 bar the one where they fixed the issue.
Forgetting to rinse it once would not have caused that . They are made of crap grade aluminium , every person I know of with that model bar had problems , I know personally of 3or 4 that shaped in half.
The bar was wearing badly over time the outside layer of metal coating had worn off to a dull lead look then at the end of the season the wind picked up so me and my bro went out to bribie island had awesome 2 1/2hr session 16-18 knots on our 12m kites afterwards packed up and by time got home was pitch black so didnt bother doing rinse down on anything 6 weeks past and this Wkend had another op for a session when got to our local pulled out the bar and all the padding and grip came apart when I opened it up a bit more thats what I found granular like even to a fine dust, even my brother was shocked at what. He saw luckily I brought my 8m with and used that bar which I'm now worried about because it has also worn down to the point wear I hope I don't forget to wash the salt out of it!
Also I found another saftey alert on these bars one was posted buy GGWTBL on this site 15/02/2012 you can google it, he has also posted pics of how it snapped due to the same kind of corrosion the proof is in the pics I've still got the bar as evidence and my brother as witness as well as every one else ive shown
Select to expand quoteshane75 said..cauncy said...
I personally know a ozones bar works on the b4. The new bandit bars arnt meant to have any issues with corrosion, I leant a mate mine when he had issues with his bars
This is what happened to mine after I forgot to rinse it once with fresh water farrrk, so now I'm looking for a replacement too and it won't be F-one bar that's for sure. P.s. that was 2012 bar the one where they fixed the issue.
that is pathetic.. Kite pref aside, I have never had an issue with a cabrinha bar, I have had failures on North, Naish and Phone... I gave up trying new brands and went back to cab gear.
or they haven't different grades or metals causing preferential oxidation? Why you don't leave washers and lead sinkers int the bottom of Ali boats.
I'll just finish by saying I've got nothing against f-one these Bandit4 kites I've got have been great not one blow-out tear or problem with material in fact the kites are still in great condition, its just there bars are s--t even the chicken loop and saftey line assembly case have fallen apart and for a bar to get in that poor a condition out of one full season, well lets just say when my tax check arrives soon I won't be updating to bandits again because I just can't justify the off chance of having to replace a $500 bar x2 each season because of corrosion.
don't let the bar spoil the wing though man....use another brands bar.
A fine wing, spoiled by french nob jockeys with their head up their arrogant french ass about their bar...when will they learn...and the ironic thing is there are crew that believe the BS as well, that's the true irony...Run away, run away....
I actually prefer the rope only trim line, here are my personal reasons before you shoot me down for not liking the sheath, i have used both types of trim lines over the years and always prefer bare rope!
It feels better when sheeting and does not stick, plastic coated lines never slide as smoothly.
You can see any wear and change the lines before a snap. With the plastic covered lines they can be rotting away without any warning signs. In some instances they will not dry as fast which can also cause rotting.
Rope trim lines are usually easier to change.
Rope trim allows for the use of sliding stoppers that work, very handy for spinning the bar on the way down from kiteloops.
Don't blame the rope for breaking most of the time it is a poorly designed union geometry that wears the rope. Some brands just seem to overlook this important part of the bar, take North, brilliant bar even down to the plastic insert in the union but totally the wrong geometry that wears the crap out of that part (embarrassing)!
My Blade uni bar has had a huge amount of use for over a season by myself and as a loaner, the trim line does not look like needing a change for at least another 6 months.
Shane75 if you send me some detailed pics of your bar, details of model etc and your # ill see what i can do for you.
From the look of the pics this bar looks like it has not been anodised correctly, if it had there would not be that type of corrosion.
james@alliancegear.com.au
shane a local had issues with his bars, but had amazing service from f1 sending out free replacements, so far hes not had any issues with his new bars, good to see alliance gear are onto the problem, yeh its not the best and im sure they wouldnt of made them knowing the issues and cost that would be involved, the are some leading brands making bars that have dramas and wearing issues, but only sell the replacement not give it to you free, dont let it influence whats a great kite if you dont trust it get another brands bar, people kick up a big fuss about the ozones bar, personally im not bothered in the slightest if they renew it with a fancy model, its a bar it has lines and a safety and flies a great kite simple as that
Yep when the new ozone bar comes out I will be looking for some cheap older ozone bars people are trying to sell to get the latest and greatest. Nothing wrong with em, simple and effective.
Good points about the rope depower, especially the effective stopper, one thing I do miss.
Yep good to see alliance helping out, well done.
