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Forums > Kitesurfing Victoria

St Kilda - ESE winds where to go?

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Created by seasquirrel1 > 9 months ago, 4 Dec 2011
seasquirrel1
SA, 16 posts
4 Dec 2011 3:29PM
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Hi Guys

I am in St Kilda next week on a course and was going to kite in the evenings. I noticed its ESE wind all week. Can you still go out at St Kilda or should I leave my stuff at home.

I know its crowed out St Kilda before all you smart people just say leave your stuff at home. I have 8 year experience and SAKSA insurance so shouldn't add to much to the crowding problem.

cheers
Marcus

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
4 Dec 2011 5:51PM
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Mud island is a great spot if you have a mate with a jetski!

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
4 Dec 2011 8:45PM
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St kilda will be gusty. Do you have a car? Will adjust my suggestions based on it.

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:10PM
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As saffer alluded to... If you have a car... Altona ( best option ), Point cook ( near the homestead ) even weribee ......or sandgate near port melb ( more than 3-4 is too many as it is a tight spot)

If you don't have a car your options are rather limited although altona is easily accessible by train.

It is quite likely that the forecast will change slightly and the wind may end up with a bit more south to it. Ie: SE or SSE in which case St kilda becomes a more viable option.

kiting kid
VIC, 219 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:37PM
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^^^^^ wind forcast looks like a solid 20-30knt ESE - E from arvo onwards
stkilda is kite able but chances are kite will fall on your head

kovi
VIC, 122 posts
4 Dec 2011 9:53PM
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is Mud island really worth going to? seems pretty far out, where would be the best place to launch jet ski?

theWILFRED
VIC, 77 posts
4 Dec 2011 10:23PM
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Marcus,
st kilda is kiteable so you should be fine as long as the forecast doesnt change. I think monday should be good, it would be nice to see a fellow SA rider, so let me know if your heading down there.
-Wilfred

suniboy21
VIC, 1090 posts
5 Dec 2011 8:11PM
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kovi said...

is Mud island really worth going to? seems pretty far out, where would be the best place to launch jet ski?


www.news.com.au/breaking-news/kite-surfers-rescued-after-becoming-stranded-in-port-phillip-bay/news-story/90c3fa2f145e8660a68aa7fc204093dc

markey
VIC, 75 posts
5 Dec 2011 8:24PM
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altona is full of sea urchins so beware , but still a great spot

koma
VIC, 760 posts
5 Dec 2011 9:03PM
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markey said...

altona is full of sea urchins so beware , but still a great spot

Your not f'n kidding! Both me and my mate ended up with urchin spines in our feet over the last week.

markey
VIC, 75 posts
5 Dec 2011 9:21PM
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Yeah there pretty bad , had a hand full of them last week , after stupidly putting my hand down to steady myself after a crash , still love it down there lol

winter
VIC, 155 posts
5 Dec 2011 10:31PM
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And season is officially open with a cabrina in the trees today at Altona

koma
VIC, 760 posts
5 Dec 2011 10:40PM
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winter said...

And season is officially open with a cabrina in the trees today at Altona

Better than in the power lines.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
5 Dec 2011 11:02PM
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winter said...

And season is officially open with a cabrina in the trees today at Altona


Why doesn't this come as a shock to me

8BWDurQd
3 posts
5 Dec 2011 9:39PM
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koma said...

winter said...

And season is officially open with a cabrina in the trees today at Altona

Better than in the power lines.


Actually, it was in the power lines


Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Dec 2011 7:54AM
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nihiloid said...

koma said...

winter said...

And season is officially open with a cabrina in the trees today at Altona

Better than in the power lines.


Actually, it was in the power lines





I think we should ban cabrinha's from altona. These guys will be the death of kiting in Altona.

Any idea what happened? Launching overpowered? Self launch gone wrong? Someone out on a 12m when the wind was gusting over 30?

No doubt another "accident" that could have been avoided but wasn't...

koma
VIC, 760 posts
6 Dec 2011 10:28AM
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Saffer said...I think we should ban cabrinha's from altona. These guys will be the death of kiting in Altona.

Any idea what happened? Launching overpowered? Self launch gone wrong? Someone out on a 12m when the wind was gusting over 30?

No doubt another "accident" that could have been avoided but wasn't...


It was spiking to over 30kn late yesterday afternoon so that 12m would've been a handful even with it's 110% depower.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Dec 2011 10:40AM
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koma said...

Saffer said...I think we should ban cabrinha's from altona. These guys will be the death of kiting in Altona.

Any idea what happened? Launching overpowered? Self launch gone wrong? Someone out on a 12m when the wind was gusting over 30?

No doubt another "accident" that could have been avoided but wasn't...


It was spiking to over 30kn late yesterday afternoon so that 12m would've been a handful even with it's 110% depower.


That was my suspicion. So in short, another unnecessary accident from an over confident kiter (or clueless beginner) out on his 100% depowerable cabrinha which "apparently" has a range of 12knots to 45knots.

FFS people, lets think about this. Anyone out on a 12m yesterday should have their head read or needs to go back and do lessons on how the ^$%^ to read wind if they think a 12m was okay. At over 30 knots, even a 10m is a handful for a lot of riders.

Not only does it give us more chance of getting Altona banned, its dangerous to other kiters around you if you have to fully release your 12m kite and it wraps around another riders kite. If you don't give a (%#8 about yourself, thats fine, go to an empty beach well away from the powerlines and other kiters but if you want to kite in the confines of the urban locations, use some common sense!

I apologise in advance for the rant. If there was some logical and good explanation why you had a 12m kite out (like a 140kg rider) then I apologise.

iRideWainman
VIC, 219 posts
6 Dec 2011 11:10AM
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And another view.


Are the clowns who sell these kites warning people not to believe the hype about how much depower they have? I agree with Saffer, if you own a 12m and you weigh 75-90kg then anything more than 20ish knots you should seriously consider coming down a size. Besides, smaller kites are **** loads more fun.

superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
6 Dec 2011 2:35PM
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Saffer said...
That was my suspicion. So in short, another unnecessary accident from an over confident kiter (or clueless beginner) out on his 100% depowerable cabrinha which "apparently" has a range of 12knots to 45knots.

FFS people, lets think about this. Anyone out on a 12m yesterday should have their head read or needs to go back and do lessons on how the ^$%^ to read wind if they think a 12m was okay. At over 30 knots, even a 10m is a handful for a lot of riders.

Not only does it give us more chance of getting Altona banned, its dangerous to other kiters around you if you have to fully release your 12m kite and it wraps around another riders kite. If you don't give a (%#8 about yourself, thats fine, go to an empty beach well away from the powerlines and other kiters but if you want to kite in the confines of the urban locations, use some common sense!

I apologise in advance for the rant. If there was some logical and good explanation why you had a 12m kite out (like a 140kg rider) then I apologise.



This post needs to be emphasized again.

Granted, accidents can happen to anyone, but FK off from altona main beach if you don't know how to kite responsibly. I'm confident kiter but even 9 meter kite was too much yesterday.


koma
VIC, 760 posts
6 Dec 2011 3:33PM
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superlizard said...Granted, accidents can happen to anyone, but FK off from altona main beach if you don't know how to kite responsibly. I'm confident kiter but even 9 meter kite was too much yesterday.

I was out on an 8m yesterday and at ~85kg i was pulling depower as it spiked over 30kn. Most of the riders i was around were out on 9's or 10's and were approaching survival mode when a solid set of gusts rolled through.

I guess it's just that when a new kiter asks for a one kite quiver for Melbourne they're almost always recommended a 11/12/13m kite depending on their weight. I know when i was inexperienced i had no issues in not putting up a kite if i thought it was too strong for my ability and distinctly remember more experienced riders saying "you'll be right" despite me not being comfortable with the conditions for my experience level and equipment. If everyone had to learn on near zero depower kites like the old '03 C-kites it'd probably give people a better ability to judge wind speed and power.

I think the influx of inexperienced riders had a lot to do with some St Kilda schools recommending people head to Altona for the SE'ers. Sure, the conditions are right but the margin for error is substantially less than at St Kilda where the run-off from the waters edge to and serious danger is closer to 100m (tree's and road) compared to Altona's average 5-15m.

A warning to inexperienced kiters:
Just because someone else is out on the same size kite that you've got, if it feels like stronger wind than you're used to, play it safe and either wait for it to ease off a bit or just sit this session out. Better to wait for tomorrow than be in hospital and rehab for a month.

harry potter
VIC, 2777 posts
6 Dec 2011 3:57PM
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what idiot pumps up a 12m when it is gusting to 30knots ......... but I would have hoped that someone would have told him to put it down at the time........ obviously not.

self regulate or be over regulated.

I asked a bloke at RYE a few months ago....
" dont you think a 12m is a bit big for these conditions ?"
it was 25+ gusting over 30 and he had his kite at 12 being teabagged

his response " I have been kiting a few years I will be right " I shook my head walked up the beach gathered up two other kiters and re-approached him ..... suddenly he agreed with our sentiments and requested a landing.

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Dec 2011 4:39PM
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Does anyone know whether the person in question was a beginner or an experienced rider?

markey
VIC, 75 posts
6 Dec 2011 7:57PM
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koma said...


I think the influx of inexperienced riders had a lot to do with some St Kilda schools recommending people head to Altona for the SE'ers. Sure, the conditions are right but the margin for error is substantially less than at St Kilda where the run-off from the waters edge to and serious danger is closer to 100m (tree's and road) compared to Altona's average 5-15m.



totally agree with this comment

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
6 Dec 2011 11:07PM
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Someone is running lessons there as well. Anyone know if they have permits for altona??

Is it adviseable to recommend noobs kite near the pier end where there is slightly more room downwind and chance of someone helping them out if it turns to ****? Wanted to say something to a couple of guys but didn't want t sound territorial or anything

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Dec 2011 11:36PM
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Big eeeZeee said...

Someone is running lessons there as well. Anyone know if they have permits for altona??

Is it adviseable to recommend noobs kite near the pier end where there is slightly more room downwind and chance of someone helping them out if it turns to ****? Wanted to say something to a couple of guys but didn't want t sound territorial or anything


Possibly http://www.kssaltona.com.au/kitesurfing-lessons.html ?

Those are the only guys I know of. Its a new kite shop in Altona run by Steve who is a Altona regular. Not sure about the permit thing, I knew he was opening a shop but didn't know whether they would be instructing.

I don't have an issue with lessons provided they are run at one end and only a single instructor at a time. I.e. not in the middle so people have to avoid them because the majority onshore wind will make kites at 12 a nightmare. The big problem is once a school gets going there they will just add instructor after instructor and before you know it the rest of the kiters will be stuck 500m from shore.

I still don't think its the best location for lessons. Direct onshore combined with a narrow beach is a bad combo. My main concern would be the same result we have at St Kilda. The whole one beach is dominated by 4 different schools trying to instruct at the same time which makes it a nightmare to get in or out.

markey
VIC, 75 posts
6 Dec 2011 11:38PM
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if your on about kssaltona they dont teach from the main beach at altona they have a completly different spot for this reason

and yes they do have council permits

as for the st kilda shops coming over i have no idea if they do ?

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
6 Dec 2011 11:42PM
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markey said...

if your on about kssaltona they dont teach from the main beach at altona they have a completly different spot for this reason

and yes they do have council permits

as for the st kilda shops coming over i have no idea if they do ?




Thanks. Good to hear they haven't gone with the altona main beach as their teaching area.

Big eeeZeee
NSW, 1100 posts
7 Dec 2011 12:15AM
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Saffer said...

markey said...

if your on about kssaltona they dont teach from the main beach at altona they have a completly different spot for this reason

and yes they do have council permits

as for the st kilda shops coming over i have no idea if they do ?




Thanks. Good to hear they haven't gone with the altona main beach as their teaching area.


well im pretty sure kiterepublic are teaching there then. A few instructors out on the water on sunday with 'team' written on their back

Taurus
VIC, 189 posts
7 Dec 2011 1:01AM
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Did you actually see them teaching or are you talking ****? It was probably a team rider having a sesh in one of their tops.

Big eeeZeee said...

Saffer said...

markey said...

if your on about kssaltona they dont teach from the main beach at altona they have a completly different spot for this reason

and yes they do have council permits

as for the st kilda shops coming over i have no idea if they do ?




Thanks. Good to hear they haven't gone with the altona main beach as their teaching area.


well im pretty sure kiterepublic are teaching there then. A few instructors out on the water on sunday with 'team' written on their back


superlizard
VIC, 702 posts
7 Dec 2011 8:03AM
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^^^^ no it was DEFINITELLY lessons... and not just lessons but a mass lesson. ANd it didn't seem like it was run by a local shop or crew. There was like easily a dozen noobs dressed in white trainee tops... not sure how many trainers they had... but a scary sight... Haven't seen this before at Altona...

First issue here - you are not supposed to kite close to the pier at all, but i suppose authorities don't really care now that the weather has been cold and not many people on the beach. But once we get hot weather and the beach full of people especially around the pier, this could get really ugly...

second, altona is already too congested, so i seriously doubt regular kiters (notice i'm not using word 'locals') will be willing to leave the beach for several kite schools. One lesson at a time and out of the way of other riders is acceptable and been always happening anyway...



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