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Created by grlynch > 9 months ago, 6 Nov 2011
grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
6 Nov 2011 3:50PM
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I think i know the answer to this but i'll ask anyway.

Is it possible to mount bicycle wheels (16") on 1 side only?

I'm considering a 1 sided mount for the front wheel but i'm concerned about the strength of the 10mm axle.

(yeah, i think i might have that bug, and have started another build)

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
6 Nov 2011 4:34PM
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Actually on a more pressing issue..............Does anyone know where my big Ball Pein is?

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
6 Nov 2011 2:44PM
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your big challenge is to find wheels that can fit a large enough axle. you will need at least a 12mm grade 8 blot for that axle, preferably 16mm. fallshaws used to make a 16"and 12" wheelchair wheel which took a really strong 12mm set up , but they no longer make them.
im using a REDLINE 16" rim which has a 3/8 centre .but with sealed precision bearings off the shelf from a bike store. , they also do a 20"
you could build a custom wheel using Vics fibreglassing system

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
6 Nov 2011 5:47PM
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grlynch said...

I think i know the answer to this but i'll ask anyway.

Is it possible to mount bicycle wheels (16") on 1 side only?

I'm considering a 1 sided mount for the front wheel but i'm concerned about the strength of the 10mm axle.

(yeah, i think i might have that bug, and have started another build)


The answer is yes an no..... many years ago we had made a video / sound production trolley like this.
http://www.trewaudio.com/store/product.php?productid=974&cat=138&page=1
It used a "standard" double sided 16" bike wheels, the one side was bolted through 50mm flat plate but the nut on occasions come loose prior to locktiting them.
The trolley carried about 20kg all up and lasted for 10+ years but constantly got punctures in the tyres.
It would possibly work if a the axle screwed into a threaded stud (good luck finding the correct nut or tap for that thread)
The wheel chair type hubs are better but they can't be added later, they are part of the wheel / spoke construction.
A 2 sided fork would be easier for a land yacht.

iand
QLD, 243 posts
7 Nov 2011 11:01AM
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(think laterally, like when I suggested the sequence of welds )use a back pedal brake rear wheel, strip out the internals, machine for bears/or machine a shaft for existing bearings and you'll be able to run a large diameter shaft (by memory up to 25mm)
Ian

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Nov 2011 9:25PM
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yankee sailor!!!!!! those almost made me wet my lycra sailing suit
wifey already said no!!!!!!

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
8 Nov 2011 12:33AM
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yankeesailor said...

Heres your answser 16" billit aluminum wheels that use a high speed tire and high speed bearing with a 5/8" axle. Pricey but solves your issue. comes in many styles too. shipping outside the US would only drive price again. They bolt on one side and have a bearing cover. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jr-Dragster-16-Billet-Aluminum-Front-Circle-Wheels-/300457083196?pt=Race_Car_Parts&vxp=mtr&hash=item45f4a3413c


Damn!!! You Yanks always come up with the most amazing sh!t when the occasion arises.

Tojo had no idea what grief he would bring upon himself when he took a swipe at you guys at Pearl Harbour.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
8 Nov 2011 9:24AM
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Ys,
Dang! I is gonna Strip Occum's Razor when I get home and have the Chassis "Hot Dip Gold Plated" and may-be Diamonds inset into Bolt Heads. ?????????? Well if one went to that expense (Billet Wheels) why not go the Whole Hog.
Ron[}:)][}:)]

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
10 Nov 2011 10:18PM
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ya reackon i'll get away with a 12mm high tensile axle? It is a nosewheel after all.

Interestingly Iand is on the money. I remember something you told me when i was looking at your crafts, using a standard 16" rear peddle brake wheel. It should fit a 30mm OD bearing nicely. However the easiest to get, (ie cheapest) have a 12mm axle. Gut feeling is it should be OK. MIght have to pick the steel grade specifically for the axle.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
10 Nov 2011 11:40PM
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grlynch said...

ya reackon i'll get away with a 12mm high tensile axle? It is a nosewheel after all.


I think it would do the job as long as you do not crash it into something. Proper high tensile is really strong stuff.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
10 Nov 2011 10:01PM
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grlynch said...

ya reackon i'll get away with a 12mm high tensile axle? It is a nosewheel after all.

Interestingly Iand is on the money. I remember something you told me when i was looking at your crafts, using a standard 16" rear peddle brake wheel. It should fit a 30mm OD bearing nicely. However the easiest to get, (ie cheapest) have a 12mm axle. Gut feeling is it should be OK. MIght have to pick the steel grade specifically for the axle.

ive run 12mm axles on the front successfullysingle sided, the wheels all died n not the axles
i have a wheel Im playing with at the moment where when the bike cups were popped out the space was 29.5.. mm
i was able to machine out to take a 30mm bearing/12mm bolt set up,but it will have a double sided fork.
I can imagine a 12mm side mounted wheel lasting long on an OTT class 5

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
11 Nov 2011 7:33AM
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That's what i wanted to hear!

My plans is basically exactly as Paul suggests, (and Iand), The rear wheel looks as though it will fit a 30mmOD bearing nicely. although i can get a 30mm OD bearing to suit a 17mm shaft, they are quite expensive, (and a little harder to get). the 12mm shaft are easy, and cheap.

All i really need is a spacer between them, piece of cake.

The only issue i can forsee is softening the high tensile at the weld.

I'll give it a shot and post the results.
Thanks

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
11 Nov 2011 8:36PM
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place a solid ,mounting piece on the fork that the axle bolt can pass straight through. if the spacer is right you should be able to tighten it on the wheel without slowing the wheel

yankeesailor
56 posts
13 Nov 2011 7:24AM
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I already tried exactly that ,but was only able to get a 15mm axle in the wheel I had. which is big enough but nobody( I mean nobody) made a 15mm bolt here in the USA. I did find one japanese motorcycle axle that was 15mm but it fit very lose in the bearings and had too much slop. so I gave up. I had no way to machine the hub to accept a larger bearing to accept a more commom size axle.

grlynch
QLD, 208 posts
17 Dec 2011 10:40AM
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Just to wrap this thread up, (from my perpsective anyway!) This is what i did, and it seems to be OK






I managed to get some 6903 sealed bearings, (from Ebay fairly cheap) 30mm OD and a 17mm shaft. I machined a shaft and spacer, then realised a problem. The Hub is only prevented from sliding off in one direction due to a step located about 20mm in from one side. So i had to machined a circlip groove in the other side and made a wire clip. Note however the hum is hardened, and machining the groove was a slow and difficult process. Luckilly it wasn't my lather and therefore my grooving insert. Manaded to get enough of a groove in to secure the clip.










Then a cap and an M8 bolt and hey presto!



landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Dec 2011 9:14PM
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that is a sweet effort
now you know why I tested so many wheels and ended up with 20mm shafts on fallshaws

mitchritz
22 posts
6 Jan 2012 4:00PM
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great bicycle wheel . i think it has awesome road grip



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