FISLY CLASS 3 SPECIFICATIONS
Fisly CLASS 3 specifications are described in the International Rules, Annex 02B1
The French version alone is definitive.
If any one of the following items do not conform to the specifications the yacht is not considered as a class 3.
THE MAST
The length of the mast is limited to 6.10 metres.
(FGA 5/10/97)
A fluorescent orange strip, 40 mm wide and minimum 2 m long, is stuck on the leading edge of the mast.
THE CHASSIS
Class 3
MAXIMUM TRACK: The yacht, fully rigged with a pilot in the cockpit, must pass between two vertical posts with a 3.5 m gap between them.
WHEEL BASE: the distance between the axle of the front-wheel and the axle of the rear wheels must not exceed 3.8 m.
STEERING MECHANISM
STEERING SHACKLES must be of stainless steel, minimum 5 mm diameter, and locked with wire.
STEERING CABLES must be of stainless steel, minimum 4 mm diameter, and must be fastened with ferrules and thimbles, or swaged on terminals.
CABLE TENSIONERS (e.g. bottle screws) must be of stainless steel, minimum 6 mm diameter, with a safety system to prevent looseness (wire or locking nuts).
BRAKE
An efficient brake will be fitted.
AREA
The maximum total propulsive area, (sail + mast + boom), is 7.35 sq. m.
WEIGHT
The total weight, fully rigged, but without the pilot and without any ballast, will be a minimum of 100 kg.
ROLL BAR
A roll bar must be fitted to the yacht. It may however be replaced by an equivalent construction of the yacht body. In each case, roll bar or body, it must extend a minimum of 10 centimetres above the crash helmet of the pilot in the sailing position.
wing masts- They are by far the hardest thing to make on a dirt boat.
I have built several plywood and hollow solid wood wing masts. The plywood ones are much like my solid wings. The hollow solid ones are about the easiest to do.
These guys have built strip plank masts. You will have to join the group to see construction pictures of them in the photo section. http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/IceBoating/
If I were to do a class 3 I would go full ht on the mast. Aspect ratio is king. I would also make the trailing edge no less than a 20 degree angle off center. I've built 2 masts for the same boat the one with the 20 degree angle is much more user friendly. I think the CP boats are 30%+ thick 9'' deep and 19.5'' high to fit in a 20' container.
Renegade iceboat plans scroll down and see the
Hollow solid wood mast plans -
www.iceboat.org/renegade/Renegade.pdf
Actually this would not be a bad way to go to build a class 3 scaled down of course to meet FISLY if one choose to.
The Morel Brothers are French class 2 pilots. They have built several masts much like a surfboard with foam core and glass on the outside. I doubt they have an internal halyard to raise the sail with this method. Its probable the second easiest of all wing mast construction methods especially untapered. If you had a mast section with coordinates a guy could cut your sections for you with a cnc wire cutter. We have a guy that does this in the States for real cheap. A RC sail plane guy would be some one to talk to about the CNC cutting. I made a mast like this once and cut the sections myself and a buddy to help guide the old school hot wire which works as long as your reach your station points together. We cut 4 foot sections and glued the chunks together. A wood spar on edge at the thick point and a piece of copper pipe for the mast track laminated inside2 pieces of wood then slit in the back then taper cut. Some wood blocking at the hound, tip and foot of the mast. No halyard system.
Thanks Phil
Thanks for all that info USA772 gives me enough confidence to get started.
Started adding strips to the form today. Pretty happy with the shape it's about what I was aiming for. I have used maranti timber as it is light and workable.
I have written a thing on making the foam and glass masts if anyone wants it. This is what Colin Palmer and I developed and since widely used.
Hi Kiwi307.
That would be much appreciated, Masts and sails is something that I have no understanding of on these yachts. I have found nothing in the way of plans for a winged mast.
Cheers
Vic
WING MASTS FOR THE HOME BUILDER.
Please be aware this is a method from which a large number of wing masts of various profiles, sections and sizes have been built. I am not intending to make the design decisions for the builder, just give a very successful method which has stood the test of time, and the rigors of Landyachts. By the way, this is not my sole “intellectual property” A number of people have been involved in this evolution.
Landyachts have immensely stable platforms, the loads which are applied to the rig are huge, and the apparent windloads are readily in excess of 60 miles per hour. The method seems almost too simple, and many people have said that the wings will not last, believe me they have stood capsize onto hard ground at 30 miles per hour plus, compressive loads which will part 6mm 1 x 19 stainless wire and still keep going a number of years later.
The hardest part is making the decisions over section and proportion of total rig. I have generally gone for an area of about 15% of the total sail area, and section is usually a NACA symmetrical one, with a fore and aft dimension of about 12 inches, and a thickness of up to 4 inches. Another way is to consider the foil of the whole sail plan which you would like to achieve, decide on the wing chord, then plot the curve of that, then make this a symmetrical section (assuming you are making a “two way” rig) Strangely after having done this a number of times on paper, it usually matches a symmetrical NACA section, don't know why though! My choice has always been by guess, others have spent many hours plotting L/D curves, the results on the beach are very hard to tell apart. Isn't theory wonderful?
Now, how to do it.
Material of choice is “blue” polystyrene foam, commonly used in this country on the outside of houses. It is cheap and accessable.
You also need a piece of clear straight timber the length of the mast, make this up earlier, scarf, or one piece, it doesn't matter, also needed is the sail track, I have used both alloy and plastic, proper sail track and caravan (trailer to the North American) awning track. All have worked. Choose one with small flanges, or cut them off Also allow to cut off the thickness of your “trailing edge stringer” from the section drawing. Plot this onto the drawing, to see how it will fit, and transfer to your cutting patterns which I usually photocopy and glue to the hardboard pattern material.
Make patterns of the foil you have chosen, we usually use hardboard, some have done it with alloy sheet, but any hardish material is fine. The patterns should be as smooth and accurate as possible, this avoids the hotwire “snagging” on roughness. The patterns need marking evenly with a numbering system, at intervals of 5 to 10% of the distance around their perimeter, I usually start at the leading edge. Also mark a centre line, and drill a couple of holes through which some 3” nails pass firmly.
As the blocks of foam which we can get are 4 feet long you need to design the wing in multiples of that dimension (easiest anyway). Most of my wings have been parallel section except for the top one or one and a half sections which taper.
Now nail a pattern on one end of the foam block. Using “wind sticks” nail a pattern on the other end of the same block, check for as little twist between the patterns as you can achieve. (The human eye and long wind sticks is the best way we have yet found).
Using a hot wire and foam cutting bow and TWO PEOPLE start cutting into the leading edge, make sure you are both going to go the same way, ie up or down, yes we have gone opposite ways and it makes very strange shapes. When you are JUST touching the pattern begin calling the previously marked numbers so that you keep as close to each other as you can, Call out, 0, 5, 10 etc but try to keep moving. The one who is ahead should slow down, rather than rush the slower cut.-when you reach the trailing edge cut away. Now repeat going the other way round the same piece. KEEP the offcuts, they make very useful bits to rest it all in.
When you have cut all your pieces, take a break, the most nerve wracking bit is done. Now glue all your bits together,(glue can be anything which will glue foam it needs no strength as the foam would only break away from the glue anyway) BE ACCURATE, do not keep the patterns attached. If you think about it you may have had to only make a total of 3 patterns, as you just move onto the next block, if the tip is only one piece long.
You should now have a great big long piece of foam which you are now going to glue to the trailing edge stringer. Again check for twist and bend. By now you will have realized that you need a bench at least the length of the mast, although I have made them on the floor (of the hallway in the house). Again just use a basic glue, hot glue, Gorilla glue, 5 Minute epoxy etc.
This should have taken a reasonable evening so far, so either stand back and admire, or carry on!
The next step is to cut the whole thing in half! Through the major thickness. Has been done with saws but the hot wire is easier except where you hit the glue lines. This is a cut from side to side, running from top to bottom .
Now is another choice. I have made this next step, the “web” from 3mm ply, or tri-axial fiberglass. I have no preference.
If using glass, round off the edges of the trailing piece of foam to allow an easy lay of the glass. (Usual radius rules apply). Now lay the glass tape, make a good weight lay up, 16oz plus and epoxy to the foam. Easiest way is with the mast on the trailing edge stringer, CHECK STRAIGHT AND TWIST AGAIN. Wet out the foam, apply the tape, squeegee etc, make sure the tape wraps round your curved edge nicely etc .Use good quality epoxy
If you choose to use ply, glue the ply into one long web (usual scarf joints) then glue onto the foam in a similar method to above .Use good quality epoxy
NOW let it all go off hard, ie LEAVE IT ALONE!
If you used a ply web, use this as a guide for the router, cut a groove into the trailing edge foam, against the ply, into which you are now going to glue a 12mm (1/2 inch) alloy solid bar on each side of the mast. Let this go hard. Use good epoxy, and follow instructions re gluing alloy.
Glue the leading edge back on
Cut away the foam as far back as the web for an area about 6 inches either side of the hounds fitting. Make up a wooden block (cedar etc) to take up this space. While you are playing with wood, make a base from wood, I think this should be about 3 inches thick, either end grain or a more solid timber and the complete profile of the mast, and a tip which can be about 1 inch thick.. How you deal with halyard etc is your call, halyard locks are my preference.
You now need to attach the track to the trailing edge, glue works fine. Fair the whole trailing edge, leaving some means of keying it all together. At the same time fair in the hounds, base, and tip. Epoxy filler is fine. If you wish now carry on to the next step, you do not need for this filler to cure.
The next bit is the most time consuming. This is the covering which is load bearing. Depending on the length of the mast, sail area etc the glass layup will vary. For a 20 foot long I have used as little as 2 layers of 6 oz woven cloth with another 2layers around the hounds fitting. Usual thoughts of spreading the size of patches apply. I have also used a bit more sophisticated lay ups, S glass etc, and also run a tove of carbon down the web from top to bottom. All have survived so I am undecided on what is needed, probably less than we think, but probably a bit more material is not going to weigh much, the cost is minimal, and the unit will live longer. I have always done this with the whole thing standing on the trailing edge, the glass going past the track for later trimming. Brace the wing, so that it does not fall over, is straight and not twisted (yet again)
This time you really do need to stand back, breath a sigh of relief, have a coffee, etc.
Let the whole deal cure, then fill and fair till you are happy. Fasten a hounds fitting (which will need to be custom made) experience tells us these are single point attachment standing off the leading edge. Fit a mast support on the base. Again a cup fitting seems best, usually directly under the major width of the mast. Too far back, and the mast will oscillate which can get rather exciting, too far forward and it will over rotate VERY easily.-
How long does all this take? Masts have been made in 2 evenings, and sailed less than 36 hours later, but this is pressing too much. Easily done in a week of evenings, if everything is to hand.
Do they work? Much better than a standard mast, is it worth it? If you are building a multihull, you are already stretching the performance envelope, take the next step!
What should sails be like? Most sailmakers do not have a clue on how to make sails for wings! All the successful sails for wings which I have seen (and there have been a number) are PANEL FLAT, with a touch of luff round, (less than 1%) about 33% up from the foot. If there is panel shape you will get a sail foil, trying to blend into a mast foil. What I call a “double bump” and it is slow.(Have seen lots of these too!)
Found some mast info on the old ohope site (foam )
web.archive.org/web/20080329001718/http://www.ohope.co.nz/resource.html
Mast Plan
Mast botton1
Mast Bottom2
Mast centre
Mast Shape
Mast Top
Couple of questions that you guys may be able to answer.
1:The Aluminum bar is it t6 or something different.
2:What is the distance from the center of the rear axle to the mast mounting position
3: What is the Distance from the center of the rear axle it the steering control(Mainly to work out body position so that it is not to far back or forward).
4:How is the mast attached to the hull.
Sorry for all the questions but I have only seen these yachts sailing.
Cheers
Vic
I have always used the measurement from axle to mast step which Bill Finch and I took at the Euros donkeys years back, 42". The tip of the mast is above the axle for starting tuning.
I put the pedals in last. Front weight is what always governs that, although in a 3 you don't have a huge effect, and obviuosly your height plays a part. I make a ring frame under the mast, last time it was a formed and welded 25mm SS tube continous hoop which was the same as the inside of the body, and then glassed in.
The bars on the side of the "web" on the mast are square not round. They need to be treatd to remove the oxidation as almost nothing glues well to ali.
The mast fittings on the base were those which were available for Paper Tiger catamarans. The cup is a diamond shape about 60mm front to back and about 30 wide, 4 screw fastenings. On the yacht is a pin of 12mm SS, rounded on the top, 40mm tall, welded to a plate of similar size to that on the base of the mast.
Where the drawing from US shows a ply web I have used both ply and the 16oz glass (Triaxial) and with the glass rolled this back around the edge of the foam. I prefer the glass although more fiddly as it is a more homogenous thing.
The 1/2" square solid rod down each side...? That is quite heavy. Would a hollow round of square do the job as well? Or could it be a fiberglass tube? I like the keeping it harmonious idea.
How about substituting Spectra rope for the rods. It's light, low stretch, cheap, very strong and would key into resin. Look at the specs in a sailing catalogue for the diameter/tensile strength. I think a single 6mm Specrta would lift my Nissan Patrol.
TP1 I think I have two choices in retirement, sit and watch telly and wait to die. Or get up the shed, build something new, ride my Endfield go kayaking and land sailing,easy choice really
......or in my case, go over the shed and build something and the wife wants to kill me anyway..[}:)]
It's looking great Vic.
This website has continuous carbon fiber rods for sale. The rods have been used to make full scale sail plane wings as wooden spar cap stiffeners like the for mentioned aluminum rods. They found the technique to work extremely well for their load testing on the wings. Basically they would cut a spar cap out of solid wood cut a dado in it and fill it with stacked carbon rods and epoxy. Makes for an extremely light and strong structure. A friend of mine cut 3/4 x 3/4 wood spar caps and laminated carbon fiber on them as well for his foam glass wing mast. It's been around since 1990 and still going strong. http://www.marskeaircraft.com/carbonrod_p2.html
Below are the boats with the foam glass wing masts. The fuselages are foam and glass as well.
Kiwi.
Thanks for all the info, What is the temper of the ally rods
The top of the hull is now being sanded faring any low spots the glass. for the hull I think I will use 5oz woven which is quit a bit heaver that what I used
on my kayaks
Hi Vic,
Good on you for having a go at Class 3. Your fuselage looks beautiful.
A quick tip on foam cutting, (I've had quite a bit to do with it building UAV's at uni). To get the very cleanest shape out of polystyrene foam, I have made the section profiles from kitchen laminex (I had the luxury of using a cnc mill to produce exact profile). By using this material you can sand & polish the edges to a fine finish so that the wire wil not catch - you can test it by running your fingernail along the edge.
You can do it by hand buy cutting the shape somewhere near with 1 mm grinder blade then linish / sand to shape (print section on paper, double side tape to laminex).
Also for hot wire I use guitar "e" string (stainless steel) just hot enough to give slow cut.
If care is taken with hot wire cutting can cut finishing time and effort a massive amount.
Hi Vic, I have a variety of different gauges Nichrome wire on reels that you are welcome to in order to fabricate a hot wire cutter. Can build something you can drive off an ordinary 12volt battery charger as a power source. I used to cut foam sections for radio control plane wings years ago. I found that very slow and steady without getting the wire too hot was the way to go, if too hot the styrene melted away from the wire. I'll be back in Busselton in about two weeks, can post samples from there.....w
Wow watching this thread has finally got me hooked. I want one of these, it might take me a bit longer to build but im off to the shed to clear out some space and start plotting.
BTW Vic that kayak is a work of art, beautiful.