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Merry Christmea and a Mini pic

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Created by blake52 > 9 months ago, 25 Dec 2012
blake52
123 posts
25 Dec 2012 6:39AM
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Merry Christmas from New Mexico,
Thought you guys might be interested in a photo I took at Ivanpah a couple of weeks ago/
Built by Terry Fulbright from US Fed 5 parts and some fairly exotic tubing. Center-of-boom sheeting attaches to a cable that clips over the driver. Sail is a 5meter unit from a US Fed.


I ended up with the original Fed body/seat
maybe there is some building in my future, since I'd like to try slinging it under my Rocket chassis.
Blake

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
25 Dec 2012 9:31AM
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Nice design..... pity it doesn't have the correct size wheels to suit the International Mini5.6 class rules.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
26 Dec 2012 11:21AM
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Gizmo said...
Nice design..... pity it doesn't have the correct size wheels to suit the International Mini5.6 class rules.


minor detail
bet it smokes though

blewbyyou
12 posts
27 Dec 2012 3:15AM
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Looks nice I think wheel size needs some play in it anyway. I agree it looks fast.

blake52
123 posts
27 Dec 2012 5:11AM
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Yeah, the wheel size issue is causing a major brouhaha on this side of the water. Every one agrees that we'll use FISLY rules for the Worlds in 2014, but the politics of federalism are raging to decide which association has precedence over class rules for US events. We already have the BloKarts and Siroccos doing their own thing, it would be a shame to have the minis spin off too. This cart is owned by the creator of the US Mini class so you can see how there might be some discussion... and yes it is quick, though I'm thinking a really nice sail made more difference than the really nice wheels.
Blake

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
27 Dec 2012 10:51PM
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with a good breeze on clay the yacht could get scary really fast
love it.
id love to start really playing with 20" wheels on the back of my mini, but have put them aside for the future, maybe just a little cl5 for lil stig to grow up in

blake52
123 posts
28 Dec 2012 3:52AM
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Landyacht,
That is a very interesting looking yacht in your profile pic; is there anything lurking in the forums about its construction?
Blake

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
28 Dec 2012 8:09AM
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Hi Blake
Here is the link
Cheers
Vic
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Spirit-of-Stupidity/?page=1

US772
332 posts
28 Dec 2012 10:59AM
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Blake I've been designing a simple plywood 5.6 mini. I designed it to be 96'' long overall to fit the back of my truck. Enclosed cockpit for a little more warmth for iceboating. If it works it may be a fun project for wood workers or wanabee woodworkers. I'm trying to Farmer into going the fray.
John


US772
332 posts
28 Dec 2012 11:01AM
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It was supposed to say I'm trying to get Farmer into the mini fray. Long day.

US306
55 posts
28 Dec 2012 12:46PM
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good for you john, Dave would be a good one to have on board! OK Dave get on board...have at it lightman we need you and and more bunches mini's

ChrisClarke
51 posts
28 Dec 2012 4:08PM
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US772 said...
Blake I've been designing a simple plywood 5.6 mini. I designed it to be 96'' long overall to fit the back of my truck. Enclosed cockpit for a little more warmth for iceboating. If it works it may be a fun project for wood workers or wanabee woodworkers. I'm trying to Farmer into going the fray.
John



Oooooh, I like the look of that - any chance of some more details? Is that circular feature at the front end of the cockpit a flat steering wheel?

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
28 Dec 2012 7:21PM
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blake52 said...
Landyacht,
That is a very interesting looking yacht in your profile pic; is there anything lurking in the forums about its construction?
Blake



here is my equivalent to what your thinking.
I didnt end up racing it as I wasnt happy with the steering or the boom system.
havent even looked at it since october. The spirit of stupidity (avatar) is a great yacht to sail, and is expected back in Aus in a few days. its a steel chassis with woodenbody. some of our newer yachts locally have made use of a mold of mine and have a glass body( much lighter)

the latest yachts are sporting wooden axles only 3/4"thick and that is Jussst right for a mini

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
28 Dec 2012 11:01PM
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I love the 20" wheels to but in the interest of having an international class that has plenty of room to experiment I think moving to the 16" wheels was a small price to pay to see this class get well and truly established across the world.
Cheers
aus230



US772
332 posts
29 Dec 2012 12:47AM
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ChrisClarke said...
US772 said...
Blake I've been designing a simple plywood 5.6 mini. I designed it to be 96'' long overall to fit the back of my truck. Enclosed cockpit for a little more warmth for iceboating. If it works it may be a fun project for wood workers or wanabee woodworkers. I'm trying to Farmer into going the fray.
John



Oooooh, I like the look of that - any chance of some more details? Is that circular feature at the front end of the cockpit a flat steering wheel?



I might make a sheeting system driven by a wheel rather than the standard systems. The picture turned out bad that I posted . I'll try a close up.


blake52
123 posts
29 Dec 2012 4:50AM
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aus230 said...
I love the 20" wheels to but in the interest of having an international class that has plenty of room to experiment I think moving to the 16" wheels was a small price to pay to see this class get well and truly established across the world.
Cheers
aus230






Vic,
Thanks for the link. I would have recognized that black mini as yours even without the numbers. Pretty machine! I had forgotten how much fun and how informative this forum is. Thanks to all!
Blake
US319

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
29 Dec 2012 7:57PM
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one thing i didnt like about my mini was the hand steering. with that and the sheetng it was just a capsize waiting to happen.
then you had to be able to get out of the box.
i plan to convert it to foot steering with a sliding adjustment like my 5, so that the lil kids can sail it with ease

blake52
123 posts
17 Feb 2013 10:49AM
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Hola,
Trying to clear this up...Are there really 3 Australian mini classes? From a long and somewhat acrimonious forum read, I thought you had settled on two, essentially one like International 5.6 and one where pretty much anything that fit in the 5.6 rope was okay. What about New Zealand?
Blake

sn
WA, 2775 posts
17 Feb 2013 1:57PM
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Gidday Blake,
As far as I know, for official competition events, Australian landsailors follow the international 5.6m rules.

However- with the amount of experimentation and tinkering that goes on- there is a fair chance you will find
a "not quite 5.6m compliant" landyacht mixed in with the fleet trying out the latest idea,
or at internal club level- rules can be a bit flexible.

I am sure someone else will chip in fairly soon!

Stephen

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Feb 2013 2:09PM
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blake52 said...
Hola,
Trying to clear this up...Are there really 3 Australian mini classes? From a long and somewhat acrimonious forum read, I thought you had settled on two, essentially one like International 5.6 and one where pretty much anything that fit in the 5.6 rope was okay. What about New Zealand?
Blake


those are old threads you have been reading blake.
Australia has got a bit messy, but at the moment we have( by we im refering to a gentlemans agreement between a majority of mini owner0


International 5.6 mini
blokart
A few years ago at our lefroy event we divided the minis along the lines of the blokart production/performance idea, but have since abandoned that idea. the purpose was to get blokarts/minis racing together. presently we only do that at lefroy events as the blowies just wanna have fun onthier own.
previous to the fisly internationl 5.6class there was an ALSA rule that made the mini classes along the lines of an NALSA proposal for a mini class1,2and 3.
our 5.6minis mainly fitted into miniclass 3. those rules were awkward and led to all sorts of silliness. when the group that had brought the rules in split from ALSA we moved on to the FISLY rules,which are the ones we have now.
so a blokart fits in the fisly international5.6 ,but a mini only fits blokart if it is a genuine blokart.
many years ago Australia had a class6 which was slightly larger than the fisly5.6.
when minis started sailing again about 2007 those rules were dug up for racing, but people tried to change them to suit thier yachts rather than change thier yachts to suit the rule. this was when the 3 NALSA class rules appeared and all the hoohaa started.
so in summary
fisly 5.6 ,blokart

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
17 Feb 2013 10:10PM
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Just to add a little fat to the fire; What is wrong with owning a LLFMini 5.6 with a spare set of wheels that might happen to be 20"/32" if you want as long as the Hubs are identicle to the requirements of your Platform Chassis (Talk to Chook).. A quick change around gives you Competition Craft and then you also have something a bit different to experiment with??
OR
Am I just being obtuse??
To me Rolling Resistance(RR) is a great variable in all of our venues, soft surfaces, Hard Tarmac, Grass etc Large dia tends to lower RR and smooth out bumps, smaller Dia is good on soft surfaces as long as the gain contact areas that are greater. It then becomes a question of FAIRNESS and so we have to set a Competition Standard.. Great! No one has yet said you can't play on our field if you are not competing. I would think it is all relitive to what you are intending at the time, furthermore Competition rules should leave as little as possible to the imagination as we are all looking for an EDGE as competitors.
Competition will bring out the worst in many people. Hence we are all punished for the misdemeanors of the few.. Sound familiar???
Ron
PS, what has happened to the Spell Checker???

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Feb 2013 9:03PM
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Nikrum said...
Just to add a little fat to the fire; What is wrong with owning a LLFMini 5.6 with a spare set of wheels that might happen to be 20"/32" if you want as long as the Hubs are identicle to the requirements of your Platform Chassis (Talk to Chook).. A quick change around gives you Competition Craft and then you also have something a bit different to experiment with??
OR
Am I just being obtuse??
To me Rolling Resistance(RR) is a great variable in all of our venues, soft surfaces, Hard Tarmac, Grass etc Large dia tends to lower RR and smooth out bumps, smaller Dia is good on soft surfaces as long as the gain contact areas that are greater. It then becomes a question of FAIRNESS and so we have to set a Competition Standard.. Great! No one has yet said you can't play on our field if you are not competing. I would think it is all relitive to what you are intending at the time, furthermore Competition rules should leave as little as possible to the imagination as we are all looking for an EDGE as competitors.
Competition will bring out the worst in many people. Hence we are all punished for the misdemeanors of the few.. Sound familiar???
Ron
PS, what has happened to the Spell Checker???


this is what people get mixed up and hot under the collar.
you can do what you like ,BUT when you go to an event to race with other minis, there are a few simple rules to make things more equal. be it a rope rule or a wheel rule.
otherwise it would be obvious to try different stuff when at that event , in fact go for it and post pics
thats why all my wheels have a common shaft size

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
19 Feb 2013 12:19AM
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Nikrum said...
Just to add a little fat to the fire;

Am I just being obtuse??

Sound familiar???
Ron
PS, what has happened to the Spell Checker???


You sure like taking the bull by the horns Ron.

Try grabbing him by the tail occasionally. The ride is just as exciting.

Be buggered and begorragh, thee might say, but thee and mee may be the only ones understanding the conversation.



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