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Sabydent's Next Build

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Created by sabydent > 9 months ago, 15 Dec 2011
sabydent
360 posts
15 Dec 2011 11:44PM
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Got a plasma tourch for my birthday and now I need a project so it's time to start making plans for my next build. I had pretty good success with the LLFM but I need a second one for my son as the Zooter is pretty much done.

I could go ahead and just make a second LLFM but I need some advice first.
I see that some of you have Y frame minis. Landyacht has 2 so there must be something to them. I noticed Spirit of Stupidity was OTT, Spirit of Christmas had the frame under.

What is the advantage of Y frame? I will spend 90% of my sailing at a sod farm that has just removed the sod, so there will be sod ridges every 2 feet, making a rough ride but the surface is flat and hardpacked. With our average winds we were sailing at about 40km/hr.

Is there an advantage to OTT?

I would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

Brian

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
16 Dec 2011 10:22PM
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frame under seat is simpler to do and veryyyy comfy . you wont notice those bumps. OTT on a mini is a challenge to get it really nice . I built 2 flat Y's before the OTT, ,just to try different ideas before making the leap. I can beat the OTT if I jump in spirit of christmas or even 'the plank" which is a steel chassis with plank axle( very simple build)

sabydent
360 posts
17 Dec 2011 4:39AM
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I think that I will go with the flat Y frame for my next build. Does anyone have any plans for this frame? I don't need too much detail, but some frame tube lengths and angles would be nice. I assume that everything from the mast forward is the same as the LLFM. Just need to know where to make the Y.

Brian

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
17 Dec 2011 8:12AM
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y frame mini from clems build

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Clemco-Mini-Build/

sabydent
360 posts
17 Dec 2011 1:36PM
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Thanks guys!,

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Dec 2011 9:10PM
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sabydent said...

I think that I will go with the flat Y frame for my next build. Does anyone have any plans for this frame? I don't need too much detail, but some frame tube lengths and angles would be nice. I assume that everything from the mast forward is the same as the LLFM. Just need to know where to make the Y.

Brian
personally I reckon for your surface I would make the Y a 90degree angle , putting the axles aproximately under your knees
and its easier to measure

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
18 Dec 2011 12:14AM
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sabydent said...

I think that I will go with the flat Y frame for my next build. Does anyone have any plans for this frame? I don't need too much detail, but some frame tube lengths and angles would be nice. I assume that everything from the mast forward is the same as the LLFM. Just need to know where to make the Y.

Brian


Brian have a loook at the Pacific Magic. It is Class 5 and the "Y" doesn't have to be lowered just welded in place flat the front forks will need raising to have the Chassis Level. Just a Thought Occum's Razor is a rough facsimile of the Pac' Mag'.

Ron

sabydent
360 posts
20 Dec 2011 8:31AM
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Landyacht:

I am going to go with the Y frame. Could you do me a favour and post a few pictures of the Spirit of Christmas? I think it would help a lot.

Brian

harleyd
183 posts
20 Dec 2011 2:31PM
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what kinda wheels? I found these 20" garden cart solid rubber? dont know if they are any good... n but since your building i better get going on my next build



harleyd
183 posts
20 Dec 2011 2:34PM
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I was trying to decide wht to build ? I keep looking in the scrap pile and see all the metal from an old trampoline.. bout 1 1/2 " tubing... so next might be a home brew using this scrap.... nice to hear ur up and building again...

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
20 Dec 2011 9:10PM
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Hey! Big Motor Bike,
I would be inclined to steer clear of those wheels.. They look great but all that solid rubber is going to get a might hard to move under Centrifugal Force, particularly at high speed. The rim style is good but that is as far as it goes.

A lot of us use that style of Rim from old BMX Bicycles for our front wheels.

Ron

harleyd
183 posts
21 Dec 2011 12:47PM
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was thinkin to maybe use the rims and see if i could put bike tires on them they seem solid

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
21 Dec 2011 8:45PM
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Yeah! Big Motor Bike,
They certainly look ok from that point but are the actual Bike rims that difficult to find? Have you looked around rubbish tips or tip shops?? I'm sure you'd come across abandoned BMX's. Failing that they are making nice alloy ones in that vein..
Ron

colk2004
317 posts
21 Dec 2011 9:46PM
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I found my BMX front wheel on EBay. New old stock and including delivery it was less then the $39 on that one... but I might have been lucky stumbling across it. Strangely 2nd hand ones were the same money or more

Cheers Col

harleyd
183 posts
29 Dec 2011 12:41PM
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hey saby? since you have a plasma cutter have you thouht of a truss like structure..
light metal but doubled up with small pieces to make a truss like frame... was thinking of doing one in wood like that

sabydent
360 posts
29 Dec 2011 12:53PM
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I will consider anything, but I would not even know how to start with a truss design. I do want my next build to be uber-cool.

My plan so far is to follow the llfm plans using muffler tube again. I will use skis for the axle to give me some suspension. For the seat I want to do Fiberglas over a foam core....but maybe if I suck up enough...I can get the local Fiberglas guy (who just happens to have a five axis CAD/CAM milling machine for making molds) to help me make a seat mold without breaking the bank.

I will finish moving all my crap out of my house by Friday so the contractors can start the reno. I was able to negotiate for half the garage, so even though we will be living further down the lake, I should be able to start my build midway through January. My first project will be to mount some snow skis on my mini.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
29 Dec 2011 11:48PM
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Well Brian the way to "Suck Up" to this guy is to get him out in the field and get him hooked on LY's. You have to leave him plenty of free Line and let him run a bit then Snag the Line Tight swiftly, this will set the Hook firmly and the fight shouldn't be too Great[}:)].. So says an Old Fisherman..
Ron

sn
WA, 2775 posts
29 Dec 2011 8:55PM
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Hey Saby- you can always barter some dentistry for some fibreglass work!

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
30 Dec 2011 9:41AM
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Brian,
SN has only gotten the Trading Deal partially right.. First you have to employ some BIG biker to take out a few of his teeth first (This has to be done superstitiously though) Then the Horse Trading can be done in earnest[}:)]. Yuz gotsta think evilly for the best deals.....
Ron

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
30 Dec 2011 9:25AM
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Nikrum said...

First you have to employ some BIG biker to take out a few of his teeth first (This has to be done superstitiously though)


What, with chicken feathers and a voodoo doll? I'd like to see that [}:)]

Perhaps you mean surreptitiously?

Sheesh and they reckon us young pups can't spell.

Ricochet
SA, 32 posts
30 Dec 2011 1:53PM
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with nikrums postings it seems as the idiot factor goes up the credibility factor goes down

sabydent
360 posts
23 Jan 2012 10:26AM
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Signed up for welding classes. It will be nice to know what I am doing.

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
23 Jan 2012 10:35AM
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Lol , I had to wipe my specs. I thought at first glance your post read signed up for "wedding" classes

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
23 Jan 2012 4:06PM
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nebbian said...

Nikrum said...

First you have to employ some BIG biker to take out a few of his teeth first (This has to be done superstitiously though)


What, with chicken feathers and a voodoo doll? I'd like to see that [}:)]

Perhaps you mean surreptitiously?

Sheesh and they reckon us young pups can't spell.


OK! Nebs, I'll pay that one.. Funny thing is I did misspell Surreptitiously and the and the Spell Checker caught it so I must have incorrectly fixed it.. Silly Old Fart.
Ron

sabydent
360 posts
24 Jan 2012 1:17AM
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Test pilot 1 said...

Lol , I had to wipe my specs. I thought at first glance your post read signed up for "wedding" classes


I took wedding classes about 23 years ago. I hope I learn more in welding class than to say: "yes dear, sorry, and I was wrong."

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
24 Jan 2012 11:20AM
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^^^^^

I resemble that!! (Did I spell that correctly Nebbs??)

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
24 Jan 2012 2:04PM
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Brian,
You admit you were wrong and apologize?? Shoot! There is something wrong with your Manhood. Never Say Sorry, Never say you are wrong.. To No body not no how..

Ron


harleyd
183 posts
24 Jan 2012 3:30PM
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needs wedding class...

iand
QLD, 243 posts
25 Jan 2012 12:58AM
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needs wedding class...

harleyd
183 posts
26 Jan 2012 3:48PM
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well Maybe what you learn in class can be revealed to us classless bums !!!!

sabydent
360 posts
21 Mar 2012 12:37PM
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Picked up an old two piece aluminum mast today, it is a 460 north sails, in great shape Are these any good for land sailing or did I just buy a $20 flagpole?

Brian



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