Well if you want to be selfish and change the rules to suit yourself so you can do what you want, when you want and call what ever you want a Mini I suggest you start drafting a letter to FISLY. And ignore the rest of the people and manufacturers around the world that have embraced the Mini class rules for what they are.
Please let us all know what the reply is......
If the Mini class is to complex for you or you don't fit in the yacht or you just cant do the right thing perhaps its time switch to another class or sport.
Or even just accept that a 6'6"er isn't suited to a Mini class yacht.
Race a BLOKART one design and with weight divisions for all you big fellas.Just remember every dog has its day and there is never two days with same winds and conditions.
OYE! You Lot! It is about time you guys learned "Newtons Law". It applies to all facets of life, then there is the Theory of Relativity and Relevance. There IS NO right or Wrong Way, There is only a WAY if we can fall into a compliance with each other on a Particular Way then we can compete fairly. Discussion and compliance is purely that no more nor less, there is no need to get our Asses in the Air (Like a Blue Bottle looking for trouble) All ideas are relevant and once again if more than 1 agrees then do we not have the ability to compete?? All-Be-It in a very narrow Field?? One person has the ability to go out and and have a SHIP Load of fun on his or her preferred wind powered vehicle. Is He/She wrong? If you want to tie yourself to one Discipline then that is relevant to your own thinking. Is it not? Once again we fall back to the same Ending. F-U-N.
Ron
PS; For those that do not know, A "Blue Bottle" is a Wingless Wasp, Metallic Blue Green in colour with Reddish Brown legs and mouth bits and a nasty sting in its tail. If you ever step on one with bare feet you WILL surely know it....
I think the numbers speak for themselves one design is one design.
I was wondering what we'll see on the 11th of July 2012 on the starting grid of the first Fisly Mini race at the Worlds in France
blokarts %
"landyachts" %
homebuilts %
Ciao - Enrico
....doh!...FAT!!! ...... If that's a problem go on a diet!!!! Or get a bigger sail, there is NO restriction on sail size is there? Reality is there are strong wind days and light wind days... can't change that.
Were the rouge rules ever taken to a legal AGM? I was in the belief is was required to make such a change. If I can recall the discussion a long time ago. Or is class6 in place?
now i am confused, 
This wheel thing is doing my head in. Class6 , ALSA, FISLY , LLM? The only thing I am sure of now is the 5.6m rope.
Well, I had an inkling that it might go down this path but it is true that I am more interested in discussing what might be possible within these new rules.
I suppose that in the end it comes down to the relationship between drag and power and I was really wondering how a rule which limits footprint but not sail area might be exploited to the maximum. For example, maybe a four wheeled mini would gain more stability/power than it loses in rolling resistance? Maybe a stern steerer works better? Conventional wisdom might be turned on its head in these circumstances.
The really attractive thing is that I can imagine experimenting at relatively low cost and if something doesn't work it can just be recycled into something else. It also just sounds like great fun.
Oh Thank, you thank you, thank you! At last we are starting to see the light.
Rules can regulate who races against whom. Great! but as is starting to come to the forefront Fun! and Experimentation! We should all be brave and take that step to improve the equipment we use and encourage the promotion of our Sport. The only drawback with that mentality though is; What if we are having so much fun and camaraderie that the Rest Of The World Thinks (Thought Bubble) "Damn! I want some of that"! [}:)]
We will all be bitching about 'No where to sail' Paul, you seem to be a power over your WAy How'sabout you could organize for a skilled person Creating a "gauntlet" as a trophy as a trophy. May hap it could have a set of rules to go with it i.e. No person can hold it for ---say----6months without "Throwing it Down" in challenge or the right to hold it longer be challenged. An all in event where by the owner of a beast (No matter the Class) can challenge the holder, weather in fun or seriously. If the Gauntlet is thrown down, then the Competition should be taken up immediately, no questions asked but any challenger breaking safety rules is immediately disqualified and restricted from challenging again for 12month. Hey! Don't blame me, it is the fault of the grey mushy stuff in my head what does it..
Colk,
Fiber Glass Axles, I am using CF 100% Mast Butt Axles and have had to stiffen them up a bit with Tasmanian Myrtle any hardwood will do the trick.
I've not had the chance to try them out at High Speed but up to 48Kmh the have lost what is referred to as "The 3D Wobbles" Not a nice feeling when your beast is starting to clock some real speed then it starts to waddle like a duck and becomes less controllable the faster you travel. That is how I finished up tearing a sail and bringing a 100% Gaastra Mast down on top of myself.
Stern Steerers.. Can someone please work out the Stability Issue. I still believe that if you built a totally ridged three wheel Chassis with a Mast Step either end and used a set weight (Pilot) that the Rear Steering unit would be the less Stable as the weight is directly over the rear wheer and much less over the front pair.
Ron
^^^^^^ Nick ....I challenge your remark on rear Steering....[}:)]
If rear steering is so bad ....then why do all boats steer from the rear ?
Dont come up with the willy wobbley rear forklift steering theory, branded about in
these forums by incompetent Fork lift steerers on badly maintained machines
A lot of the original landyachts were rear steered.....and worked well...
JJ, my remarks are from where I see things. You will note I did ask that someone should experiment and prove the theory. I think you will find that were the Steering on the front of a forklift one would have greater difficulty steering the machine as the load increased on the front. Also I think you might find that where a Forklift loaded dangerously over the steering it would loose a lot of stability the harder the Lock left or right in a turn. I just feel that the Pilot weight over the rear wheels would give greater stability the greater the Pilots weight, also 2@ the rear allows for weight transfer to be used to its maximum advantage. That is just some of my reasoning but don't blame me, I do not control what the Grey Mush comes up with. I am just the lackey!
Also keep in mind that in the case of Land Yachts there is only low weight on the Front wheel/s and a lot greater on the Rear/s. Why do you not build a Land Yacht with Rear Steering and Prove my Thoughts wrong.
Ron
OK! Lads,
This is what you have FORCED me into. I have built a model LY and am now in the experimentation Faze of proving o
r disproving my thoughts. At this point of just stuffing about I have proven that which I am Speaking about. The next faze is to show definitively what happens.
Ron
Ahh! Excellent initiative!
In looking up references to stern steerers I notice that the mast foot is usually some distance in front of the axle line, like this:
The other thing I noticed while perusing youtube is how highly loaded the rear runner is 
A lot of the original landyachts were rear steered.....and worked well...
Thanks TP1,
Those are the types things that I was trying to allude to. Thus the front steering yacht is in the better/safer unit. 2@ the rear gives greater stability and allows for a much shorter machine as the Pilots weight can be carried to the rear of the Rear Axles.
At the moment I am having trouble getting enough Fan power to tip the model over with a weight fitted.
Ron
