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Forums > Land Yacht Sailing Construction

pedal driven landyacht wheel????

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Created by landyacht > 9 months ago, 9 Dec 2012
landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
9 Dec 2012 9:24PM
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lil'stig and i have just completed our stack of wheels for the coming season
and realized there wasnt enough resin left for another 26" wheel , so we decided to try another experiment thats been bugging us for a while now.
would it be possible to incorporate a derailleur hub into a glass/ally composite 20" wheel?

This would theoretically lead to a bicycle built from broken carbon masts or even a front or back wheel on a landyacht that could be driven as well as sailed

I will use use 2 rims ,glassed together, but as the hub is 57mm wide im using a 32and a 25mm rim glued together
the hub has been stripped back to expose the spoke attachment holes which will be the anchor points to the glass

ive made 2 molds, one to seatthe hub and another to be used for making a backing disk when the second disc is attached

the materials will be all the chopped strand offcuts from making all the other wheels

heres the first two discs laid out . i found some nylon peel ply in a box of bits and have laid that on to give a good glueing surface later

rims have been glassedand ready for next step

desertyank
1263 posts
10 Dec 2012 2:46AM
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Could be the perfect front wheel for a kite buggy on a low wind day too

aus230
WA, 1660 posts
10 Dec 2012 8:51AM
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The derailleur hub works fine that is what aus230 and aus4 use. we had them on our front wheels at lefroy we used the back wheel brake unit so that we could use it as a hand brake(that was aus4 idea) worked fine.
Are your yachts back yet.
Cheers
Vic

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
10 Dec 2012 4:11PM
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Gee Wiz Paul, you don't let the grass grow under your feet!. I am building a house in Shark Bay as a means of getting away from Busselton winters and intended taking the yacht up there as there are plenty of dry lakes. The main sealed road in from NW Highway is 120k to Denham and I was going to sail it but the thought of walking it home when the wind died is a worry. So I was going to drive one rear wheel with a 32cc Whipper Snipper motor as is done on push bikes. Need take plenty of tinnies, sammies and my epirb...and a tow rope...w

sn
WA, 2775 posts
10 Dec 2012 6:32PM
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I am pretty sure 32cc will put it in a class that requires registration under state laws,

Electric and petrol assist are supposed to be under 200watts output to sneak past the registration red tape.
Almost all the petrol assist kits you see on pushies are technically illegal.
Paul did a bit of research about landyachts on the road- sail only is not permitted, but sail assist is ok- so if you had some form of pedal power that would make the sail OK!

The way I see it, if you can figure out some form of pedal power- then you can get away with sail and electric or petrol assist.

Might be worth checking out though in case the police interpretation of the law and regulations has changed- and get it in writing!

If you want to do an electric driven front wheel- I have an electric bike about to be turfed out- apart from dead batteries its electrics are ready to roll.

stephen

EDIT:
I just checked on the Z Box (conversion kit supplier), and W.A. Govt. DPI websites- for pushies, the maximums are listed as 200 watts or 1/4 horsepower output and a maximum speed of 25kph.
32cc might be OK after all!

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
10 Dec 2012 7:23PM
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Hi Stephen, that is interesting about the allowable vehicle. I commonly do the wrong thing and have a go anyway and would never have imagined a sail assisted unit was allowable. Is there anything that Landyacht hasn't tried?. The offer of the old bike is tempting, we are over in Warrnambool at the moment visiting family before Xmas, back late on 17thDec. Can I give you a PM about it before then? Ideal winds here the past week, should have smuggled over my yacht in a suitcase. Hope your near neighbours have been able to stayed hooked after the hobbies display..wok

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
10 Dec 2012 7:24PM
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Hi Stephen, that is interesting about the allowable vehicle. I commonly do the wrong thing and have a go anyway and would never have imagined a sail assisted unit was allowable. Is there anything that Landyacht hasn't tried?. The offer of the old bike is tempting, we are over in Warrnambool at the moment visiting family before Xmas, back late on 17thDec. Can I give you a PM about it before then? Ideal winds here the past week, should have smuggled over my yacht in a suitcase. Hope your near neighbours have been able to stayed hooked after the hobbies display..wok

aus230
WA, 1660 posts
10 Dec 2012 10:13PM
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This one is also pedle powed

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
11 Dec 2012 7:48AM
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Thanks Aus, Impressive , dont like fabric coccun, maybe aircraft style alluminium fabrication, or even moulded plastics would to me be more appealing. Goes well though and seeems very forgiving. I do like 8/10.....

ChrisClarke
51 posts
11 Dec 2012 7:12AM
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I like lots of the ideas in the Urban but can't help thinking that there is an awful lot going on inside the runner bean. Does it really need both hand and foot steering? Would a simple disk brake in the middle of the rear axle be simpler than the tyre rubbers with the huge lever? I guess it is just a concept to see which ideas work and which don't. That said, I really like the idea of pedal assist for recreational sailing.

Since the subject of electric assist came up, didn't the Amick Windmobile have this setup? I think that a later version also had solar panels on the wing to provide power.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
12 Dec 2012 7:29PM
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Its not your back pedal brakes Vic, its a derailleur hub, 6 gears!!!!no brake.
Ive had a couple of thoughts , 1 a carbon mast pushbike and 2 a recumbent trike with the front wheel pedal driven mast behind the operator ala iceflyer.
. that idea wouldnt require such a beefed up wheel.
there are a few set up ive seen where the pedals and steering are up front and have front wheel drive.
part of this is to build a small,very light machine that could carry a load on a road, but not have the "bad "orientations that ive seen on others
and yes the crate is just through the suez!!!!!paperwork has been fedexed,ship due in freo 29th dec

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
12 Dec 2012 7:56PM
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next step is to prep the rim by laying a extra lip to help with the glueing surface later on

that small disc i layed up earlier has been cleaned up and a slot cut in to allow the disc to fitted around the middle of the axle shaft later

now i lay up the next wheel disc,and glass in the rim with cloth cut into 50mm wide strips.a series of small nails had been tapped in around the rim before you glassed to ensure an accurate fit

now the hub is fitted into the centre hole and a platefitted underneath ,and a nut which is then tightened to hold it all together. this is actually rather accurate, being within 1mm all round

cut off spokes had been added to the hub and layed in an even pattern, then glassed into place.
the whole thing is starting to feel rather solid



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