Stuck
Please Excuse my Ignorance
As an After thought. For those that have a degree of academia, it might be a good Idea to further look at this sight and all that has, "Water Under the Bridge" etc. Much of which is, no doubt, repeated. People like the ol' Landyacht, aus203 etc should look at the wheres, why-fores, the how's etc. Along with Learned lessons, Plans Maps etc and correlate the info and Place it in a permanent Folder which you can direct beginners and the Academic Low achievers
to rather than to regurgitate the same old info. Individual Club documents aside.
I dunno where this stuff comes from but "It just seemed like a good idea at the time"
[}:)]
Ron
[}:)]
ive promised to try
Strewth! They are only ashes for Pete's sake, ASHES. The moment religion is bought into stuff (Believe me it is lurking there in our laws ). Ashes? Damn! They took some Bails and burned those put them in a little Urn and now every year they fight a battle over them. Landyacht don't ask don't talk about it just DO IT! let people think it is an Urban Legend.
I don't give a Tin Crap! What the law is or might be. I put my life on the line for this god damned Country. They controlled me then and they are controlling me still. I am Damned if they are going to control me in Death. I thumb my nose at the Powers and give them a reverse Peace Sign. The Long Ship Will Happen![}:)] A quiet beach a gentle offshore wind and to all intents and purposes a kids toy ship gone adrift in the evening and let those who may find it (I don't think so) prove the DNA. Ain't too much of that in Fired Ash Opps! You did push the right button that time
Ron
Just a little more on wheels.
I have tracked down a manufacturer in the USA that will ship to Aus'
Their product looks right for our purposes and gives Land Yachters a wider choice of wheels and Tires, specially while the AUD$$$$ is where it is at the moment.[$$]http://www.azusaeng.com/wheels/wheelix.html
Good Afternoon Ron,
Thank you for your interest in Azusa Products for your Land Yacht use. Personally I love land yachts and envy those who have a place and means to have one. I am a peace & quiet person so it is right for me. Last ride was over 30 years ago.
Here is a bit of wheel info for you and you can decide what exactly you want to get pricing and shipping on.I am attaching catalog pages for your information and reference.
To fit within your size requirements the 8" wheels are to me the best choice. As you can see on page 6 there are 2 design choices with several bearing choices. Either the
Tri Star or the Spinner would work well for you. Both would accommodate the same tires see pages 12-13.
There are 2 you may like - both are round profile and OD is 16.5 - one is #7012 which is a rib tire Load Rating for 4ply which is what we carry is 670 lbs per tire.
The other one is a Smooth as they call it and has a very hard compound that wears well even though it is a 2 ply with Load Rating of 435 lbs.
As for the 10" wheel - it has always been an eye catcher and popular but we now have them stamped and plated overseas so the plating quality is poor and not even really a chrome appearance. We encourage all customers to purchase the Plain Black and have powder coated to match the project for a much nicer finish. The tires for these are ONLY available in Sawtooth and Universal Tread - much like a motorcycle. The diameter is 17.5"
Please study the spec page and photo pages and let me know what part numbers you would like pricing and shipping on. I also need your town and city/country code plus phone number for paperwork.
Joy @ Azusa
Ron
Just a little more on wheels.
I have tracked down a manufacturer in the USA that will ship to Aus'
Their product looks right for our purposes and gives Land Yachters a wider choice of wheels and Tires, specially while the AUD$$$$ is where it is at the moment.[$$]http://www.azusaeng.com/wheels/wheelix.html
Good Afternoon Ron,
Thank you for your interest in Azusa Products for your Land Yacht use. Personally I love land yachts and envy those who have a place and means to have one. I am a peace & quiet person so it is right for me. Last ride was over 30 years ago.
Here is a bit of wheel info for you and you can decide what exactly you want to get pricing and shipping on.I am attaching catalog pages for your information and reference.
To fit within your size requirements the 8" wheels are to me the best choice. As you can see on page 6 there are 2 design choices with several bearing choices. Either the
Tri Star or the Spinner would work well for you. Both would accommodate the same tires see pages 12-13.
There are 2 you may like - both are round profile and OD is 16.5 - one is #7012 which is a rib tire Load Rating for 4ply which is what we carry is 670 lbs per tire.
The other one is a Smooth as they call it and has a very hard compound that wears well even though it is a 2 ply with Load Rating of 435 lbs.
As for the 10" wheel - it has always been an eye catcher and popular but we now have them stamped and plated overseas so the plating quality is poor and not even really a chrome appearance. We encourage all customers to purchase the Plain Black and have powder coated to match the project for a much nicer finish. The tires for these are ONLY available in Sawtooth and Universal Tread - much like a motorcycle. The diameter is 17.5"
Please study the spec page and photo pages and let me know what part numbers you would like pricing and shipping on. I also need your town and city/country code plus phone number for paperwork.
Joy @ Azusa
Ron
Well Why wouldn't I go for these
The tires are free at your local Aircraft Workshop, They are tougher than barrow tires.
I think that even though they are a little heavier than the Barrow wheel the higher tire pressure they can handle will decrees a fair bit of rolling resistance and may be give a little larger inflated Diameter. Trade Offs are a pert of life dealing with them is a part of Good Old Clean thought and logic. The Air Track tires pictured
are lighter than most.
Ron
Ron...I recon you and your Viking longship will more than likely end up on a mainland beach...or even futher afield..you could invade NZ!!...Just imagine..."Mummy, mummy...look what I found!!"
I suggest an explanatory note in the bottle and perhaps another bottle with some of the aforesaid tipple...you could become a Nicholas Monsarat type Master Mariner, a spectral nautical version of a chain mail letter. Each new finder toasts you and replenishes the tipple. Then some quick qnd dirty boat maintenance and they send you on your way again.
Me thinks the idea will take off!
Because this is a thread about wheels and tyres I've included some pics of some ill considered wheels that we broke just before Christmas....on their first run. (some of you may have aready seen these on the Madhatten Project thread.)
The chap who sold them to me.....(when I explained what they would be used for), said that they were rated to 2 Tongans. I didn't quite know what this was so I sought clarification. He said that the first wheels he used on the BMX bikes he was importing from China broke with one Tongan performing stunts. He demanded stronger wheels...which were then subjected to the antics of 2 rather large Tongans .....How this was accomplished on the one bike at the same time I don't know.
Seems they could not handle the side loadings of a powerslide gybe....Back to the Fallshalls!
Those results do not surprise me at all------After my antics today. I guess if you have Fallshaws then use them if you are going to buy then I suggest that you look seriously at Edwards Karts. I pulled 80.2k today on the end of the Runway Tarmac and had to pull away as the Chain Mesh Fence was coming up real fast amidst much squealing Rubber and Juddering turn then I repeated the effort on the return run. 80 with your butt that close to the deck is a little scary believe me.
Back to the Wheels. Go to your local Aircraft workshop at the Airfield and see if you can get yourself some used tires 6" x 5 to 6"wide. Usually you can get them for naught. If you can't then I have a couple you could use. Think about it. You'll probably pay 100 or more for a pair of Fallshaws and then keep paying for the rubber to keep sailing.
You can run the Aircraft tires at a much higher pressure and reduce the added rolling resistance and they will take the punishment of 80K Power Slides on Bitumen.
Ron
PS, you will have to make your way up to Wynyard some time for a run, that is if they don't cover it up with Gravel Heaps. Not a thing happens with that bit of land and since I started using it they tried using it as a car park and now a Gravel Dump. Buzzards
keep in mind the reasons we went away from the ally rims. .
getting really good tyres can sometime be hard, and if the tyres are not running really true they will start to flog out the bearing housing. make sure you have a spacer between your bearings and that the wheels are fixed in place with a nyloc, at least 16mm as the 1/2"or 12mm wouldnt grip enough to stay tight.
a simple pin like we use on the minis will allow the wheels to flog. w e couldnt match a suitable bearing to an easily available axle shaft( one that didnt mean machining. ) back then the only bearing the wheels would take had a 15mm shaft which would inevitably snap. I believe they now can take a 17mm shaft( which will still require machining.
as opposed to the fallshaws that use off the shelf bolts, or even mild steel rod.
I regularly broke my axles when doing really hard turns on tarmac at the end of a dissused runway, but yes the payoff was that I had lots of rubber to sacrifice.
once the bearing housing flogs out they are pretty much useless
Paul,
Now there is a range of bearings that are available for the Edwards Ally's I settled for 3/4" / 19mm. I think 20mm were available. I have a couple of sets of tires (Not AirTrac's) which have a bit of tread left and would be good though a little heavier than the Air Trac's . Another thing is you can turn them around on the Rims and wear the other side out. Running at a higher pressure helps.
Ron
PS> Have a look at my Page.
Cisco,
In that I am lucky at the moment, I have a contact that has a Toolmakers Lathe which has the ability to handle the Rims. But as you point out at $108 a Pair Landed is cheap enough and Hardly worth while machining.
Ta muchly
Ron
if the rims can be bought with a bearing that has a 20mm or 19mm shaft, then my post was probably moot, they have solved a problem for us
Thanks for that Paul.
Those are the sizes and if I remember I was offered a couple of imperial sizes as well.
Ron
Hey Tassiefubar, even with the sudden stop, it looks like those zip ties anchors worked on the seat belt!!!!
Zip ties, duct tape and silicon make the world go round!!!!!
The fallshaws have turned up. But I waiting for the bearing mounting bushes as the ones that were supplied don't fit properly. Hmmmm!!
I got 15 complete wheels from my local bearing supplier here in Esperance WA.
When the bearings (6204) are fitted the black plastic bush is still sticking out from the face of the rim by 1mm or so. Over all width is 107mm. Bugger!!!!
I have plenty to go on with in the meantime anyway.
Stiched up the seat belts and got the dual seat almost ready today.
Thanks for the wheel recomendation Paul. The difference in quality against the Bumblings variety is huge!!! Haven't got a final cost yet.
Cheers Chook
If the bearings do not seat all the way in properly then get a large diameter bolt long enough to go through the wheel. First put on a washer big enough to cover bearing then wheel then another washer and finally the nut. Do up fairly tight and that should seat them in nicely.
Once they are on the axles make sure that whatever you use to retain them is not to slack as the black bits could comeout that 1 mm again.
And again if you use washers make sure they are not so wide as to touch the outer race.
Happy sailing
Hi Test pilot, Thanks for the reply,
I am worried that they are not the right part, as I was using my workshop press that I built and they still wouldn't snug down. When I fitted the wheel to the axle and there was some slight rust on the shaft the bearing pulled out of the black plastic with very little effort.
Here is my press and I'm pushing the 20mm shaft into 25x25x3 RHS for the rear axles.
Cheers Chook
Wheels?
It has been said of aluminum wheels "They Corrode badly". Well as we know I have taken that punt on Edwards Rims and a Briskites 8"X2.5" Rim.
I believe that the Later has been designed and built with salt water/sand conditions in mind and have a Tropic Coating (What ever that is) to guard against Corrosion. We will see. As for the Edwards Rims I think a wash down and spray with Inox or WD40 should be a good guard against corrosion as well, though it would be nice to have them Anodized to Marine quality. But I will say "On the ground they perform magnificently.
Ron
PS Chook if those Rears get any wider you can go sailing with them or become a Swamp Runner.
Hi Chook-
I just ran my vernier gauge over a set of Fallshaw adapters, 6204 20mm bearings and a fallshaw wheel, and it shows the adaptor is a bit too deep for the adaptor to seat fully into the wheel (or the hub of the wheel is too shallow to fully take the adaptor.
Ideally the hub needs to be set deeper to allow for the adaptor to seat properly, and the SPHOUSING6204 bearing adaptor could do with a redesign to allow the 6204 type bearing to seat a little deeper too.
I just checked the wheels fitted to "DANGEROUS GOODS" and they are the same- the bearings and the housings both protrude and dont sit flush!
I dont know how I missed seeing that before!
The extra protrusion might not leave much room for the retaining washers and minsup clips that secure the wheel to the shaft on the new chassis- but I will find a way around that.
It might be worth firing off an email to the Fallshaw factory as this might be a case of someone in the factory messing up a jig on the production line.
Fallshaw need to do something if thier own adaptors wont fit thier own wheels- or fully seat the bearings they are supposed to be designed to take!
Apart from this- and thier pricing in Australia compared to N.Z. - I cant fault the Fallshaw wheels!
I will pose this question; Does it really matter??
In addition to this
Is the Bearing likely to come adrift?
Were the Wheels designed for Land Yachting or for Low Speed Barrows?
Is the protrusion going to be dangerous or do any harm?
From what I can see in the photo I doubt any of the above is relevant, Fallshaw will be fully aware of what you are seeing as a problem and have deemed suitable for their use.
I think in the end you are just going to have to take a spoon full of cement and toughen up and get used to it or buy something that doesn't have the same; "Defect".
I found that, with the bearings Edwards fitted to their rims, the inner race was a hair wider than the outer which allowed for me to fit a Large Dia' Washer both before the wheel was fitted and after allowing the Nut to be bought up flush. I would suggest a Shim Washer fine enough to and of an outer Dia small enough to allow this so as to help omit any contamination when the retainer device is pulled up firmly. Remember Fine Shim Washers the Large Washer should only just be free.
Ron
Mine are like that --a small gap between wheel and insert
I noticed it when I got them So far hasnt proven to be a problem
I use a spacer between the bearings and they are held on with a washer and
8mm nyloc nut on a stud
the series of nylon bushes are made to suit the STEEL rims, but do fit the plastics as well the measurement of 107mm is correct. ( should be 108mm)
on a HOT day , +36, the set up may come loose, but otherwise they are fine.
I tried out some fallshaws with a bush and 6004 bearings. the bush is thicker and doesnt distort at all.
the nice thing about the bush/bearing set up is that you may find another brand of wheel that has the 2" OD crapper bearings and they can be converted to the 20mm shaft set up
Hi thanks guys for all that. So the bottom line is, as my wife has proven, I'm a fussy prick!!! But only in the shed.
It just seemed strange to see the gap. I will chuck one up in the lathe and see if I can re-invent the wheel, just so I sleep better.
Thanks for taking the trouble to measure yours for me men.
Yeh Nikrum I love the fat tires. These steel rims and turf tires came off a ride on mower and as Paul stated, they are heavy, but it's for a "recycle regatta" my fire brigade is hosting in Esperance.
I did get 2 extra fallshaw wheels for when I convert it back to a single seat. I've made the axles ready.
I have the Sismic (from Briskites) 8"x8" alloy rims with 21"x12wide tires on the rear of my kite buggy and a 4"x 8'' with the same tire on the front. This tire/rim set up runs so true and smooth. I use 1 psi in the rear and 2 psi in the front. This set up has lived on Pink Lake and our local beaches for over 12 months and they still look brand new!! I rinse them after every run with the hose when I get home.
They have done 2,732 GPS clocked kms and the bearings still feel fantastic.
Bloody pricey to purchase, but they are quality and were freight free.
Many thanks for your time fellas. Chook
