wowsas boys, tis all gettin a bit silly. Hows about we work out if the surface of the lake is a goer first. Is Lachlan out there listening, cos he's not too far down the road., How about some blokarters pop up there and have a sail and report back
Im here and listening. Earning my 'Stalker' status 
I haven't been sure enough of anything so far to comment but was waiting to see what was conjured up. Most important, as Landyacht mentioned, to your landyacht choice is figuring what the sailing surface is likely to be and how big? The lake looks to be a great spot for a venue if smooth enough (notice I didn't say flat )
Im based in Bendigo so would be happy to trip over every so often to sail if a venue were present. Not much sailing going on at present as Im building and studying. I like the bigger machines myself.
P.S. if you were going to bulk order materials (eg: alloy for masts, wheels, seats, etc) I may be interested in enlarging the order. A landyacht isn't hard to build at all, just takes a little time (and of course money). I'd personally build a set of yachts, lowers the capital investment required and people WILL want their own machines sooner rather than later if historical trends continue 
As was also mentioned, getting people involved in construction is half the fun sometimes.
or shown the foolishness of my thinking in an equally subtle way,
but I have never felt that my input to this forum was unwelcome. Quite the contrary, as on those rare occasions when I come up with a lucid thought 
and express it on the forum, I am sometimes even complimented by other contributors.
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Thank you all for your replies, it is a little overwhelming.
More questions, some raised by others from the club who are following this "informatiom gathering" exercise.
1 Why are LY all trikes?
2 Why aren't of the shelf components used IE Laser radial 4.7 sails and masts used?
3 Simple rigs, why no traveller to help reaching/ running?
4 Modern cats use spinnakers and snuffers effectively, why not LY's? Edit The concern here is light wind days.
5 What 2 person or crewed LY's exist?
6 What other designs for tracks exist? [Have seen NZ photo].
7 Would an oval horse trotting track work?
Cheers
Greg
Just in relation to the "simple rigs" part of your question, at 80-100kph you'll have very little time or spare concentration to make any adjustments to a complex setup.
Edit, just another couple of answers:
landyachts are usually trikes as they need a lot of traction on the back and there's not much load on the front. Trikes are the lightest and easiest way of achieving this. Anything else would just add weight and complexity for little or no gain.
There's probably no reason these off the shelf parts can't be used, it might just be they cost more than what we use, but if you've already got them then certainly investigate this further. Perhaps post their specs (alloy type diametre & wall thickness) so one of our designers on here can check them out for you.
2 seaters exist and the blokarts have the shadow to seat a second person, but I don't think they are used for racing anywhere. They are used for pleasure and training a lot though. Paul has even built a 3 seater and we just waiting for him to build a party yacht!
I suspect it would be as hard to sail a landyacht around an oval track as it would be to sail a dingy around a mote. If you can use the centre of the oval then you could make a good track. We just use a large tidal flat and put out road cones to make various different tracks depending on the wind
Hi Greg,
One thing you need to ask your committe is, do they want to be part of a new dynamic sport that has changed the way people go land sailing, a sport that can be packed up in the boot of your car, taken all over the world to race events, have back up parts when/if needed, be part of several clubs in Aust?
If the answer is yes then get into Blokarting, yes there may have some shortfalls in Blokarts, but I am sure you can sling mud at anything if you look hard enough!
On the other hand if you want to be part of a landyatching group that has a lot of infighting (ALSA), call off National event & take their bat & ball a go home (ALSA) ,continue to build landyatchs looking for the perfict one, then build/take advice from these so called experts.
The thing that I find so funny, is that if Blokart are substandard to landyatchs, why do the have 25 + at a state event, & 50+ at nationals.
My thoughts..
RS..
Lads,
I get the picture!!!!
- We've got a long way to go with this concept. I don't won't to stir up a hornets nest here. I think and I stress it's only my thoughts, but if we go down the LY path, as one option to keep our club functioning as a community asset. We most likely will start with one type, possibly blokarts because of their ease and inclusion into a grant, then head into the other areas including blokarts, mini's, club 88's and the developmental class like the 5's. We're just at the conceptial stage and moving forward.
We probably will bring our water sailing "protocols" and habits to the LS as well, like wanting to devoping a handicap system for mixed class racing, so we can accomodate all types of LR's. This would allow for all comers. There are IT programs out there that can do the number crunching for water sailing, and people that devlop the handicaps for the classes so it should be possible.
Then you'll just get the friendly banter [maybe] that occurs between cat and mono sailers etc.
Greg
Gee guys - this is getting a bit heated - no need to knock each others yacht to promote your own style. 
You guys are not all lined up against the wall like little boys [}:)]
Inland Sailor and his mates (and hopefully ladies and children too?) have a great opportunity. I am sure coming from their unique background they will bring their own unique flavour to their *new club*.
Importantly we will all have another place to visit and can expect more visitors at our events.
At Lake Lefroy on a local club level we have more social sailing than racing (hard to get everyone together for racing due to rotating shifts in the mining and related industries). When we do have a few of us we all race together blowies, minis and 5's. The minis and blowies are comparable so after a race we seperate the scores out to place the 5's and then the others are scored together. Interestingly at times the blowies and minis beat the 5's - pilot skill
When we have a regatta or visit other clubs there is usually enough yachts to race seperately - or take 2 yachts and race in both classes.
Most importantly our club welcomes all types of yachts and pilots and level of passion.
As others have illuded (or put rudely) formal assn's are either still forming or in need of a bit of an overhaul. However landsailing in Australia (in all forms) is not that big - so we all get on with it and go sailing whilst the rest is still getting sorted out. More has happened on the landsailing front with new people hearing about getting into the sport and more communication since this website has been going than in many many years which is great for us all.
Cisco <Re Passion. There is enough passion expressed here to rival the most exotic honeymoon suite. Tends to be a bit "blokey" though. Haven't you got any sisters Promo Girl??>
Passion? yes Cisco - testosterone? definately, common sense?....mmmm
actually Cisco most of the girls just could not be bothered with reading about the merits of using this type of welding rod over that type or this type of bearing or that. What we want to know is what colour does it come in[}:)]
play nice now boys
cheers Susan
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Thanks Suzan
for quitining the guys down. As we know at Lake Lefroy we just about have every thing imaginable sailing on the lake, except for a bit of friendly banta I think we all get on extremely well. I think all classes should work for the betterment of land sailing and offer advice (It dose not have to be excepted) I personaly have not taken everyones advice but I certinaly have excepted it in good faith. I have been in plenty of clubs over the years and they all have little problems from time to time, but with good will we got back on track. Guys please talk up land sailing as this site is probley one of the most active in the world (I have tried to find others with not much luck)
Keep Sailing
Cheers
AUS230
Hi Greg.
All very valid points,but as i see it do you want to go landsailing/blokarting (all wind powered vessels) or do you want to spend time in the workshop manufacturing a land yacht.
I know my time is very precious so to get time to do a sport which can and does involve my whole family i chose the option of Blokarting as previously stated a proven product with ongoing improvements,plenty of parts back up and plenty of advice.
These vessels are very easy to learn but to sail fast and consistant the learning curve is very steep.
I have seen the demise of land yachting in Austrailia to point where it is about die without a huge injection of newcomers there seems to be no way forward,Blokarting is getting stronger each week with big numbers being sold through out with local clubs attracting10/15 pilots on a regular basis and state and national titles easy getting numbers from 30 upwards.
Just my thoughts anyway.[}:)]
well with this much wind and some of the dribble in this subject , I think wevejust about filled your lake to the minimum 20% capacity
Oh well, at least now you've seen landyachting/blokarting in all its glory
Kite buggying is the next section over, might pay to check that out instead! 
Well listen to us!! If I wasn't already in the sport I'd be giving it a wide berth!
Who knows, I'm yet to see a single blokart or even hear of the existance of a single blokarter here in SA. I was seriously thinking of getting one a while ago but you sound just like us. I don't think there's any difference.
Well I guess that's a "yes" then. Don't get me wrong I think blokarts are great and if you read back through my posts I've been saying that would be a good way for Greg to go. I just wouldn't be selling them on the so call meteoric rise of Blokarting in Aus and I don't think landyachting is on its deathbed just yet. Both blokarting and landyachting (if you insist on being seperate) are still very small here in Aus and bitchfights like this will only keep it that way. I'd very much like to see landyachting and blokarting succeed and I think the best way we can do this is to work together.
Well that's my rant over. Sorry for the hijack Greg.
I believe Blokarters have tried to work in with and be part of Australian landyachting without much success or help from those driving Landyachting in Australia,maybe thats why we are starting to seen this division if we are not careful Blokarting will be a stand alone entity which it is more than capable of doing with areas of growth available.
I cant describe how wonderful it is to live hundreds of miles/klms away from WA and SA. I live in the glorious area known as the Coral Sea. I have at my feet, a beautiful beach 25klms long by 300 /400 meters wide. Even better, I have it all to myself. To enjoy my new hobby/sport, I dont have to wade thru tons of red tape, decision making arguments, quelling other peoples gripes or getting involved with counceling and umpiring. Freedom seems to be what some of you are missing. From reading all the posts and messages it all comes down to the following.
There are four groups of people who go "sand yachting".
There are those who have no time and or expertise to build, so they buy a sand yacht, good on 'em. Enjoy what you have.
There are those who want a sand yacht but cant aford one or build one, so they read all about them, good on 'em. Keep reading and wishing, your turn will come.
There are those who design and build sand yachts from standard sets of plans for a living, good on 'em. Make them while you are able.
Then there are those who love building and designing with as much passion as those who would sail every day all day if possible, good on 'em. Let no-one stop you.
And even more, these builders and designers put in many hours of hard work so others can enjoy their hard (and very often expensive) labour for themselves, so dont knock 'em.
For this dedicated (and small) group, the constant work of building and modifying, is a journey of sheer pleasure, bitter disapointment, frustration and expense. It is this journey that many people dont understand but without these people, blowcarts, 5's, 88's and everything else wouldn't exist.
It is so disapointing to see the amount of bickering, complaining and personal attacks hurled between so many of you. None of this behaviour is going to promote our sport/hobby and will drive would-be's, away from land yachts.
I am building a class 5 to my own structural design and I love building it. It has many innovative ideas that some may love and some may not. When it's finished, it will be me and mine who will get all the added enjoyment of my labour. For many people like me, the joy of sand yachting is in the journey to get there. Flying down the beach later at 80 - 100 klms/hr is simply the cream on the cake. Some of you are destroying the very reason why sand yachting exists. The bottom line is, to have fun with your family. Those who criticize, bicker and squable are showing everyone that they have lost the true meaning of "family fun with a sand yacht."
Kody
Kody I think up here in QLD we're just to laid back, relaxed and enjoying ourselves to join this "heated discussion".
Right! That's it I'm moving to QLD!!
Well said Kody!! VERY VERY well said!
THEBIGC: I know of the issues you talk about and I'm emabarressed about that too. I hope we can still work together to make landyachting what it should be.
