Gees! I was having such a lovely time down at Somerset Beach this evening.. Winds 20 to 25knots and a goodly wide Spit to sail on heavily accelerating Sliding through controlled turns a ton of 2 wheelers etc. Like I said "Having a lovely time" and then it happened a goodly gust grabed a hold of the Razor and started to take me over (least it felt that way) Upwind wheel was up about 900 to 1200mm and me trying not to go over than the next thing I know the Mast is down on the sand and we are coming to a Halt.. Bugger!! I my hast to use the mast when I first built I didn't put a section up inside it as Reinforcing.. Bugger. I guess now I will have to find a method to repair the #@*& Thing..
Mind you I WAS having a Ball until that happened..[}:)]
Ron
Unfortunately John, There is just above zero Land Yachters in Tasmania and even fewer bystanders.. Consequently I do not have a photographer to assist and I am not going to leave a good camera to do it's own thing and for some theiving B@^%# to steal.. Sorry. If you insist, "It didn't Happen" I know I have the busted mast to prove it!! [}:)]
Ron
Yeah John,
That'd be right and I'll bet that if you were a sailor of Yesteryear you would be the Boatswain with the "Salt" and Cat-o-Nine Tails..[}:)]
Now you've Salted the Wounds are you happy.
Ron
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Probably but not having reinforced the base section plus the gusty conditions didn't help a lot either.
Ah Well! Live and Learn.
Ron
Cut the bottom off square and add more to the top and your back on the beach. If it didn't split too far up it.
Oh and don't forget the internal stiffener.[}:)]
I loved the guy and really miss him.
Something simple like PVC or a fencepost tube cut in half might save the next sail outing from an abrupt ending
Johm,
At this point I will say "Open yer bleedin' eyes Lad. Yer likely to crash"
That Metal Rod is a bolt attached to which is a piece of pipe (No No No.. Not a Peace Pipe)[}:)]
which has 2 nuts welded to it fitted over the bolt. This allows the section of pipe to pivot with the flexing of the mast. When under way the Mast does not touch the Mast Step other than at the very base so that it can flex freely.
Good idea though, I just beat you to the punch. But it does show that you Yanks can think Jees! I kill me.
Ron
PS: The main problem was a lack of reinforcing in the bottom 500-750mm of the base. The CF is only 2mm wall thickness. Entirely my own oversight.
ok here is my solution....take 4 tooth pics and a tube of tooth paste maybe 50 feet of dental floss , take the tooth pics and wrap dental floss around the edges,,, take the tooth paste and squirt most of it in your mouth,,, the rest of it cover the broken part of the mast... then take the mast and throw it away and start over.......yankee
thinking at its best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Motorbike, you are sooooo lucky. Any closer an I'd slap yer bloody silly........... If that is possible.
Ron
Yes OM. A small amount.
I have just picked up my re-cut fast sail, the pic's below are it. I would value any comment on its form. I removed around 400mm from the top Tapered 0 to 25mm to tighten the top Leech area.
I also removed about 2.5mtrs from the Luff area and this is how it forms now.. For Chook, the new PAd.
Ron
I knew you were a "Jumbo" pilot Ron, but.....
Singapore Airlines thats going a bit far eh.
That sail does look really sweet.
The cushion is real snappy too. That made my day
That sail looks really good to me Should be a quick strong wind sail
Will it take more downhaul to pull those wrinkles out?
Anything to look the part Chook, mind you I can't claim to be the brains behind that. I guess Dave must have gotten himself a sponsor. Mind you seeing as I have the advertising up there I wonder can I get SA to come to the party with a little monetary help[}:)].
Yeah HIKO, I was hoping that as the Wind Pressure built up the wrinkles in the luff would iron out a little but luckily they are with any wind flow so shouldn't be too nasty.. The problem is these sails are fairly specialized and the luff pocket is specifically shaped to that purpose so when we alter that shape wrinkles will form.
I wanted to keep as much of the Luff as possible, as it will help form a double surface.
As they say "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"
Ron
Those wrinkles are almost always caused by not enough downhaul.
Looking at that I'd be giving it heaps more, at least 1.5-2cm more than it's got at the moment.
Yes I agree nebbian, with my limited experience, more downhaul.
Looks like a nice flat cut.
Spray the mast with Mr Sheen as I've found with my big pocket sails they squeak when you are sailing due to the enormous friction. It also helps with the initial downhaul setting. On my 6.2 and 6.9 sails (with big pockets) they have a triple pulley at the base of the sail and a double at the mast step and you still can't over do the fixed downhaul.
On a good reach the sheet will still pull the sail further.
They don't work on an active downhaul system as the very narrow (around the mast) roller cams will pop off, when the downhaul tension is eased slightly, as there is more room for them to move in the big pockets.
Also the tell tails needs to be higher up on the big pocket sails, as I have found with the lower ones they tell lies.
Can someone explain why this would be. My lower tell tail about 600mm up always indicates a disturbance on the windward side while the rest up the sail are flowing smoothly.
You will love this sail Ron!!!!
Looks great Ron.
I assume most of the recut was on the luff and foot.
Could you please post the sail's luff, leech and foot measurements and the draught or offset measurement of the luff.
With the luff pocket at the base as you have it, racing measurement rules would surely put it out of "official" races but I know that does not corcern you.
I recently scored a 9.5 m mono film sail with battens and cams on which I want to do a recut.
I will post a pic or two and hopefully the "brains trust" here will have useful recommendations for it.
tie off the FRONT of the mast pocket to the front of your rowlock , that is the source of all those wrinkles.
THEN give it some downhaul
PS that sail is gonna hurt[}:)][}:)][}:)][}:)]
probably needs to be 200mm back on the mast too, but tis not possible.
whatever you do , when it lifts a wheel dont sheet out more than a few mm
yes mm
particularly downwind
Paul,
The Pocket is Hauled down and Fixed to a Loop at the foot of the Mast Step and the Luf (Internal) Edge of the actual Sail is fixed to the Boom Down-haul. What do you mean the Sail is gunna Hurt??
I guess sailing it in Lighter Winds is where I will have to learn what it is about.. I know it took me up to 67kmh prior to the Reshape. It had a lot of belly in the pocket and Sail then so I haven't a clue what it will do now it is nearly a Bed Sheet.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Ron
Wednesday 15-02-012.
BLOODY HELL! I took the Razor out for a run with newly re-cut sail.
Pegg's Beach, Winds 15-20 early 20-25knots later in the day.
Sorry John all info lost due to PC refusing the GPS and finished up loosing the data.. Camera?? Sorry It played up and jammed up all the Footage. Even the other Land Yachter was off up the other end of the beach playing Silly Buggers.
I managed to Capsize on one run trying to dodge water. Other runs were so bleeding fast I ran out of turning room very smartly. Turns were FULL Broadside Slides the sail generating increasing power. I do not know who calculated that the sails only generated a few Kilo of thrust.. Sorry But I say for the record BS.....
After having lost control of the Razor and tried to Make For Melbourne in a Spray of Salt Water , Foam and Sand. I tried to hold the Rig until I could clear it and remount for the Fray. Hmpf! Not a hope there was so much thrust I could not hold it from getting away from me and so shot off at an angle to the that Gentle Zephyr, turned and shot down the beach and about 200mtrs later turned and ran back into Bass Straight. All I could do is stand and watch, luckily the sail luffed out so that I didn't have to swim to King Island to retrieve it..
So much for Wednesday 15.02.012 Paul that Sail has become DANGEROUSLY QUICK.
Ron
PS; I did note the Sail Form when sailing and what is happening under pressure is the wrinkles pull out and the surface cleans up nicely. TOOOOOOOOOOO Nicely!!
AWWWWWWW, nickypoos you must have been in a big willy willy or a bit of a spin
we saw the tracks where you had been, temporaly, you must have touched down
breifly , just north of Woomera, wheeltracks indicate this happened!
....Your a ledgend
Thats legend ...leg -- end in other words he's calling you a foot or maybe even a toe
Well well well! She Speaks again[}:)]
TP1,
Yes! You could be right but I prefer to think I am at the other end of the body, Hip, Torso, Head, BRAIN[}:)] However for your good self I'd not go so high maybe just below the Hips and too the left or right of whichever leg is appropriate [}:)] You know that Dangley little thing that just hangs there being useless to you these days. Maybe you use it to water the Sturt's Desert Pea
Ron.
PS How are things over that way??
TP1, Did I upset poor Diddums[}:)]..
OK! So yesterday the wind was pulling 20knots from the NE and Low Tide was around 14.30hrs so after a little struggle I managed to Get Schrodinger's Cat up to Pegg's for the first time in a long time. I may have mentioned putting new rear wheels on her, the ones BrisKites sell. After stuffing about for months I managed to get them to understand that I was offering real money not Monopoly Money. They tires are a good tight fit against the beads and snap home under pressure.
Anyway The Cat sailed nicely, very smooth and silky to handle at speed and is very forgiving of mistakes. She is what I would think to use if I were hiring Land Yachts as she may not be terribly quick but is a lot of fun.
Sorry no pic's, like I have already said one requires a Photographer present..
Ron
