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Hey Old Mixer I have a question for you

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Created by US772 > 9 months ago, 8 Jan 2013
US772
332 posts
8 Jan 2013 12:30AM
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Being your from Indiana have you considered attending the 100 year North West Regatta? I'm thinking of driving out to attend with some of my wingboats.
http://www.iceboat.org/northwest100.html

oldMXer
130 posts
8 Jan 2013 8:51PM
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Would be willing to make a trip if you need help, trade a little labor for some seat time??? Would be an awesome place to display some wheeled minis though, get mini fever going in the heartland...

US772
332 posts
8 Jan 2013 9:18PM
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I heard the ice on Lake Winabago and Geneva broke up. They expect a warming trend. May not happen yet. I know a few of those guys have Blokarts. I've pestered them already about Int Mini. Have you considered putting runners on your Mini? Help seat time yes. I use them on my Manta singles. -

oldMXer
130 posts
8 Jan 2013 11:31PM
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We really don't get the greatest ice conditions in my area, in my opinion. I know there are a few iceboats around, but from what I have been told they get decent ice conditions very rarely, like once every 3-5 years.

US772
332 posts
14 Jan 2013 4:23AM
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Is that you c scow on your icon? I sold mine a few years ago. I had an 87 Melges. Great light wind boat.

Winnebago may be back on for the 18th. I may find out today via the Four Lakes Website.

US772
332 posts
14 Jan 2013 6:44AM
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US306
55 posts
14 Jan 2013 11:37AM
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HEY OLD Mxer I've got a picture for you. these were real sweet machines,



Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
14 Jan 2013 9:06PM
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I gather that the 2 smaller wheels at right angles to the rear wheels allow the whole yacht to slide sideways under heavy wind coditions!

US306
55 posts
15 Jan 2013 2:35AM
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crazy wheels, they work very well, the rear axel jus swings around the frount, good stuff

desertyank
1260 posts
15 Jan 2013 2:36AM
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Test pilot 1 said...
I gather that the 2 smaller wheels at right angles to the rear wheels allow the whole yacht to slide sideways under heavy wind coditions!


Yep, they're 'crazy wheels" I think, and there's a thread on here someplace.....

The whole rig weathervanes with the wind. I think Blake put up the post on it....

The axles of the small wheels are in line with the contact patch of the front wheel, so they're not quite right angles to the rear wheels, but you have exactly the right idea

US772
332 posts
15 Jan 2013 5:04AM
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US772
332 posts
28 Jan 2013 2:43PM
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last weeks adventures

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
28 Jan 2013 7:49PM
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US772.
She certainly Cuts a Mean Bit of movement Hey!?
So what happens if you Break Through the Ice?
\Ron

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
29 Jan 2013 12:07AM
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Nikrum said...
US772.
She certainly Cuts a Mean Bit of movement Hey!?
So what happens if you Break Through the Ice?
\Ron


Glug, glug, glug

US772
332 posts
29 Jan 2013 5:10AM
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actually I went through on day 3 and damaged the boat. I will be repairing it in the next few days. I hit a hole going over a healed expansion crack. I wasn't going fast about 25 mph and the boat stopped dead in its tracks. I bent the spindle plate that holds the runner on. If the $#@^#%$ nico press wouldn't of failed I would little damage. It fractured the 1/8'' skin at the axle connection point on the fuselage. I just got done cutting out the fracture and am in process of fitting in a new piece about 15.5'' x 20 ''. Need to go an epoxy run now.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
29 Jan 2013 12:40PM
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Well There you go then, in'tit? I was asking that Q with a little Tongue in Cheek but it was a possibility anyway. So it does happen. Even at only 25mph a sudden STOP like that can be painful.. Don't believe me?? Try running Face First into a Brick Wall at that Speed.
I hope you get the Repairs successfully completed.
Ron

PS; Thinking about it I reckon a Higher Speed incident like that would be less sudden but would rip the Skates right off the Boat?

US772
332 posts
29 Jan 2013 2:38PM
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Got the fuselage skin repaired today. Will fill and hot coat tomorrow. I got off lucky with the accident.


cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
29 Jan 2013 11:39PM
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Does the foil actually do the "Hula Dance" as seen at 2.00 and 4.00 or is it just camera shake that makes it look like that????

There are a number of reasons why the U.S. is the greatest nation in the world and what you guys do on the ice is one of them.

I would just LOVE to do that on the ice.

US772
332 posts
30 Jan 2013 12:49AM
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The funny thing is there are more places like this lake that no one knows what the heck an iceboat is. We found some more spots on our drive home we would like to check out some day. Next summer we want to explore some dry lake beds for landsailing as well in the area. This part of Montana is famous for dinosaur bones and fossils. We drove past a ton of nuke missile silos on the way home.

US772
332 posts
30 Jan 2013 12:51AM
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This is the full report I posted on SA.
Last Tuesday a friend and I set off from Montana to attend the 100 year anniversary of the North West iceboat Regatta held at lake Winnebago in Wisconsin. I drove the 5 hours from Flathead Lake down to Manhattan Montana to pick up my friend Lance. We loaded his boat in my trailer and headed East around 3 am the next day for Wisconsin. We had to leave before the event was officially confirmed to make it on time if it even happened. We had a back up plan just in case. 650 miles into our trek the event was postponed. We turned the rig North and head for plan B other wise known as Fort Peck Lake. It was another 150 miles. We arrived about 2pm. The temp was 6 degrees the wind 10 to 20 wind chill -15 degrees F. . We met Tim there. He informed us earlier in the week about the Lake freezing over with perfect ice. We drove the rig on the ice and unloaded our boats and set them up. It took about an hour and a half to set up due to the extreme bitter cold. This is the first time I sailed the boat that I brought. Its a solid winged boat that I use as a dirt boat. I built it in 2008 and it has been a joy to race and sail as a dirtboat. We proceeded to sail cautiously out on the newest of ice that was about 3.5'' thick. The rig was parked on ice that was 24'' thick then it went to about 7'' thick then 3.5'' as the ice froze in stages. We sailed about a half hour and I turned back to get some gopro footage because you just never know if the conditions will be destroyed the next day. I got set up and headed back out until the sun set. I got a bit disoriented trying to find my way back. I couldn't focus my eyes because it was so cold. I had to intermittently lift up my face shield on the helmet due to it fogging up. Eventually I figured out what bay I came out of and de- rigged the boat. Fort Peck is part of the Missouri river that Lewis and Clark went up to find the Northern Passage. The dam was constructed during the dirty thirties. Its used for hydroelectric. It's about 130 miles long with more shore line than the coast of California. We headed for Glasgow for some warm food and got a place to stay.
Day 3 the temps were a balmy 34 degrees in the afternoon compared to the day before. The winds were forecast for 20 to 30 gusts to 40. The morning was lighter and building as the day went. We arrived back at the lake about 9am and rigged the boats and went sailing. Since it warmed up the several expansion crack formed. We negotiated around several of them to get to the best ice. We sailed until 12.pm before the winds got to strong. We waited until 3:30pm for the winds to come down. It was blowing a steady 18 mph. Lance and I found the next bay over that was about a mile deep and a quarter mile wide at the top and widening as you sailed out of it. We felt it was safe and predictable ice since it had no expansion cracks and was thicker older ice. The wind was piping right down the canyon the bay was in. We sailed until sunset again. It was enough wind for me to reach over 80 mph on the nearly perfect ice. We logged about 40 miles that day.
Day 4 the winds were forecast to be 5 to 10 in the am dropping in the afternoon. We rigged up and went out about 9 am. The winds were 8 to 12 mph. The ice had healed itself on most all the open cracks from the day before. We sailed until lunch time and logged about 60 miles. I reached a top speed of over 69 miles in the light air. Tim hit over 48 mph in his DN.During lunch the wind died for a bit. It came up again 180 degrees different than predicted at 3 to 5 mph. We pushed out boats about a half mile out to the good ice to go sailing. We got hooked up on the perfect black ice. Lance and I sailed for hours in the steady light air with out having to get out and push once. His boat is smaller and lighter than mine and carries a deep wing mast and a cloth 9 (Cuban Fiber?) sail. When the wind dropped down to 3 he could beat me. When the wind came up to 5 I could beat him. Un fortunately after about 2 hours of sailing I dropped my leeward runner in a crack. Luckily I was not going that fast and I got out unscathed. I ended up bending my runner chock. A nico press let go on my whisker stay allowing the sudden stop to twist the runner plank and fracture my hull at there intersection. For the most part it's an easy fix since I build the boat. In the 3 to 5 I topped out at about 43 mph. Most likely the top speeds were in gusts. What those were who knows. We logged 106 miles that day. Here is the the first of a few video's I plan on making of the adventure.
www.youtube....d&v=GtQ0EUkuels

PeterVernet
56 posts
30 Jan 2013 4:50AM
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Had a wunderfull time last week on ice with the buggy/iceflyer sailing and ice surfing.In low wind i was steering with my feet, but it was uncomfotable.
So add a telescopic hand steering.


New personal top speeds on the ice surfer over 92 km/h max speed. in 6bft. winds

US772
332 posts
30 Jan 2013 5:22AM
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I plan on making my mini to be able to sail on ice. There are many small lakes and ponds where I live that can be sailable. I'm interested in making some ski type things for snow covered ice as well.

US772
332 posts
30 Jan 2013 4:43PM
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final day of sailing

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
30 Jan 2013 9:05PM
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hank you so much for that fellas, made my day

Clemco
430 posts
2 Feb 2013 2:59PM
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US772, I noticed you have low diagonal tie wires connecting the nose to the the axles.
Has anyone questioned the safety aspect of that setup in a collision? Not a criticism but just wondered.

kiwi307
488 posts
3 Feb 2013 10:46AM
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Clem, it's in the DN rules, and most of the hard water yachts use them.

US772
332 posts
3 Feb 2013 3:45PM
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Clem we call them whisker stays. Ice has so many more hazards than dirtboating that warrant there existence. Unfortunately when I hit the expansion crack the nico press on the whisker stay failed causing twice as much damage to the boat. I have it all patched back together now with the exception of the whisker stays. I'm going to toss them and build them with double nico press's next time.



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