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Created by agamackay > 9 months ago, 24 Aug 2008
agamackay
QLD, 58 posts
1 Sep 2008 5:26PM
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landyacht said...
anyway,now the yacht has come up to Gizmos presentation standard its time to get that rig sitting properly.


First the whole show needs to visit Weight Watchers
I threw the chassis with rolled up sail/boom and aluminium mast onto next door's bathroom scales ; over 95kg
While we had the scales we weighed Jesses landyacht design, ready to sail:under 25kg
Jesses landyacht actually floats in the swimming pool
See our latest google video ; Jesses landyacht floats.
go to Jesses landyacht, pick anyone then click "More from user"

If this is one of Bill's 1990 "Faze 5"s.. Koodous to him for using stainless steel fittings and bolts through out. The thing dismanteled in no time.
The keel and rear axle were Dia. 50 X 5 mm galv water pipe.
The aluminium pipe Rydges supplied as a mast was : 50 X 5 mm.
Hack saw, Drill, galv. pipe template...[}:)][}:)][}:)]

Gizmo said: I see so many people change things because they can ... but not often do they come up with a better result
Not because I can because I have no choise...
Lighten up OR cyclone anchor



Back on the scale: this time with the fiber glass mast, sail/boom ; 64kg

I consider it to be the same yacht, only with a more realistic weight, at least I can lift the thing now, though it is still an award shape/size.
Following the marks on the galv pipe the dimentions are identical as before
The aluminium is springier than the galv, I might need a forward brace/hard-stay to stiffen the chassis. See how it goes.
The back brace/stay is also heavy water pipe, could lose more weight there.
The 1200mm long mast foot though aluminium, at Dia.60 X 10mm is heavy could lose more weight there.
The boom is also heavyer than necessary......Even the sail is heavy....
We tried it in the pool, it still don't float

landyacht said: if you are using a glass mast and there is any kind of pressure from the boom when sheeted in hard you can kiss that mast goodbye. they are not designe for that kind of focused load. you will have to consider putting some kind of internal stiffener at that point to carry the load

In the pic you can see the boom sits against the mast foot above the back brace/stay, note the scuffed paint.
The glass mast slides 250mm into the foot, 500mm above the boom point. You can just make out the stopper's bolt. I hope this is deep enough, we'll see. A lighter aluminium mast would slide into the same point.
I'll take some tools next time I get the chance to visit the beach and try leveling the Battens when sheeted -in.

No vang

At this weight I would be able to get both down AND UP the track at Bucassia Beach.
aga

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
1 Sep 2008 5:41PM
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change anything tht is 50mm diameter to a 50x3mm T6 ally,thats what it should be. even 50x5 ally is too heavy for a yacht with this much bracing.
. Im starting to see how it has a big steel mast base. can this be replaced with something ligher that will fit your masts. 60x10mm is too over the top.
We'll get there

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
1 Sep 2008 8:49PM
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The question of no vang?

Landyacht sail control is quite different than water yachts.
The windspeeds that landyacht sails need to work in are from 10km/h to 100km/h+
where water yacht and sail board sails have a limited wind speed use band.
Have a read of this site it exlains the concept....
www.sailrite.com/High-Speed-Sails
The down haul system flattens the sail and this then gives a much better sail for high speed.
When the sheet rope is slackened the boom rises slightly and this gives a fuller sail and thus the sail has less speed and MORE power, for starting, soft surfaces, turns etc.

Have a close look the pic of Wildfire and the down haul and main sheet system.. By sheeting in it pulls the boom in and down flattening the sail.
The "Pacific Magic" yachts use a centre sheeting system that does a similar thing.

By using a vang as in a water yacht you will limit the landyacht speed by fixing the sail shape to a certain windspeed.

FAZE5
SA, 55 posts
1 Sep 2008 10:40PM
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G'day Aga,
No wonder you thought the yacht was heavy..
It must have had an extensive rebuild at some stage, as the original chassis is built with 48x4.47 t6 aluminium scaffold tube & weighed about 60 kg. with the racing seat (even lighter with the seat on that yacht). There was no mast base, the mast had a bolt through the base of the mast & a bolt through the clamp on the mast.

The only steel tubes were the upper & lower 'a' frames & steering rod.

Cheers, Bill

agamackay
QLD, 58 posts
2 Sep 2008 7:22PM
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Hi Bill,
I kind a guessed the yacht was not in origonal condition.
After 18 odd years as a hire toy: acidents / corosion / this-will-keep-it-rolling-handymen etc.
I like the idea of lossing the mast foot altogether. A linch pined bolt at the keel bracket would be quick & easy (just how I like it) and allow the yacht to be more transportable, on two wheels without a mast foot it would easily fit the walking track to Bucassia beach.
60kg - with ally mast will be my target
Thanks Bill
aga

agamackay
QLD, 58 posts
7 Sep 2008 7:06PM
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I came accross a peice of Dia 25X3mm ally and replaced the heavy galv. back brace: back to the scales ; 55Kg ready to sail


The path up and down to our best local beach;Bucassia, at 55Kg it's easy enough for 2 people.



She FLIES


the Mrs on the "Faze5" with Jesse on his yacht

agamackay
QLD, 58 posts
7 Sep 2008 7:20PM
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PS:

landyacht said...
if you are using a glass mast and there is any kind of pressure from the boom when sheeted in hard you can kiss that mast goodbye. they are not designe for that kind of focused load. you will have to consider putting some kind of internal stiffener at that point to carry the load




The previous photos had an ally mast.

Thanks heaps guys, Paul and Bill in particular.
The "Ridges Fazse5" runs like a dream: fast, smooth, comphortable and very well behaved,
the Mrs even had a few hours in the seat
aga

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
7 Sep 2008 7:31PM
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The next question is which yacht is faster ?.......
Then get the slower yacht up to match the speed of the faster yacht... then repeat....

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
7 Sep 2008 6:06PM
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good to see the whole family sailing. Perhaps Mrs Agamackay could be awarded her own avatar as the official Bucasia beach test pilot. welcome aboard, remember not to take it as seriously as the boys
dont throw that shattered mast away, it will be fine for a boom when you build a mini size yacht.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
7 Sep 2008 10:27PM
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I had the same problem with masts on my wind flyer It was overcome by inserting the top half of another mast into the bottom of the sailing mast, no more breakages after that.
Dam that is a long fixed mast holder.
Cheers
AUS230



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