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Wind Wagon Project

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Created by desertyank > 9 months ago, 25 Nov 2012
desertyank
1260 posts
25 Nov 2012 9:26AM
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Interesting.....

the site:

www.windwagonproject.se

and a vid:

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
25 Nov 2012 10:00AM
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Rigging is similar to what we are using on our trailer yacht which we built for our ST Barbara's day parade which we sailed down the street yesterday on a trial run!

sn
WA, 2775 posts
25 Nov 2012 12:21PM
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you need a cannon for your trailer yacht, since its being used in public- perhaps one that shoots big bubbles would be best!

even disguised supersoakers would fit the bill dummied up as a blunderbus, cannon or swivel gun- with super soaker innards hidden inside,
or use an old 9 litre water type fire extinguisher as the workings!

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
25 Nov 2012 5:19PM
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I do not think that the people watching would appreciate their cameras phone etc being soaked, especially when they are expecting lumps of flavoured sugar to be thrown to them[}:)]

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
25 Nov 2012 10:05PM
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just when I thought we had built the first square rigger in 50 years ,somebody beats us

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
26 Nov 2012 7:08AM
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great stuff....thanks for te link Deserty .....thats sailing !

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
26 Nov 2012 10:12AM
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It was going alright while they were reaching but slowed to a stop when they bore away.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
26 Nov 2012 9:51PM
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there is so much to learn when you move to a square sail system. I would recomend to anybody to go find a tallship,pay some money and get up into the rigging and learn to sail,really sail

running around the rigging of the STS Leeuwin is a highlight of any year

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
27 Nov 2012 12:28AM
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I helmed the Endeavour Replica across the Whitsunday Passage some years ago with the yards guyed near as possible to square off the wind, windward sheets hauled down and the leeward sheets hauled aft.

She hooted across the passage at 8.5 to 9.5 knots in a fairly moderate breeze.

All the helmsman had to do to get the best speed was watch the luff of the sail and make sure it did not curve inwards.

The sailing principles are exactly the same be the vessel a 17th century square rigger or a 21st century high pointing sloop.

The wind strength and direction are less important than how that energy is harnessed.

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
27 Nov 2012 12:57AM
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landyacht said...
there is so much to learn when you move to a square sail system. I would recomend to anybody to go find a tallship,pay some money and get up into the rigging and learn to sail,really sail

running around the rigging of the STS Leeuwin is a highlight of any year


I believe what you are talking about is more about "character building" than "learning how to sail".

The time I spent aboard the Endeavour Replica showed me less about "character" than most other places I have been. Most aboard were more concerned about their "trendy, political correct, I'm tough and cool" image than anything else.

If you really want to learn about "character", read Alan Villiers' "The Set of the Sails".

OR

Do an ocean passage on a 40 foot yacht with three people aboard. You WILL learn something.

Hiko
1229 posts
27 Nov 2012 5:28AM
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Even if its not to do it again!

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
27 Nov 2012 9:14AM
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Cisco,
If you are really into Character then you should sail across the Ocean with a bunch of "No Nothing" Greenhorns with a few hundred tons of explosives then return across those oceans with an nearly empty hull and High Seas. Watching the Deck Plates leap up a couple of inches in the Engine Room with every crash of the ship bridging out over waves and watch the Tacho over rev as the prop' lifts out of the water. It can make for an interesting couple of nights or perhaps stand on the stern Winch Housing an see the Horizon over the Bridge/Monkey Island.. I could spin a few War'ies on that subject, I can tell you. That New Endevour is for city kids what are still hanging off Mommies Apron Strings and Crapping Yellow. None the less it is probably an experience to remember for them. You can not teach people "Common Sense"![}:)]
Ron

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
27 Nov 2012 9:29AM
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Sorry cantankarous nicky poos.........."The Young Endeavour" Australian Navy sail training ship , gifted from Britan in 1988 a Brigganten rigged, steel hulled, navy training vessel, is not, for kids tied to their mothers apron strings, ****ting yellow. Just like you when you first went to sea. Both my kids have a voyage under thier belt, out of Brisbana and into Sydney harbour. At 16 they were probably more capable then you were in 16 days. One ended up as exative officer tasked in the ships saftey on the last day thru Sydney heads and tying up near Pinchgut. The trip from overnight stay into the harbour took 9 taks.. Bloody great seamanship at 16 yo.... They **** the same as you and live long in their life as very usefull people. Dont knock the kids or our navy...........

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
27 Nov 2012 6:40PM
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OK Gibberjoe, So when is it your turn in the Barrel?? Have you visited the Golden Rivet yet? So how many people do you know that have put too sea in a 15' Hercules De-haviland Tiny in a Tropical Torrential Downpour looking for a Mother-ship that left you to re-float your craft and find them when your Coxswain didn't know where to go?? Try it sometime, no Compass No Charts just catch us when you get it moving!! OH Yeah! I was the Duty Engineer (Motorman). Fact!
Even the young ones today have trouble with the discipline and they aren't given half as hard a time that we were. Even a few didn't "Cut the Mustard" back in 63.
Ron

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
27 Nov 2012 8:55PM
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crikey you guys , sounds like you all need to get out more!!!!!
All i was saying was that getting back to a square rig and learniing how to make it work would teach you something.
so put away the 12"rules and stop measuring your thangs

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
27 Nov 2012 10:53PM
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They don't need 12" rules just 0 to 10mm micrometers

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
28 Nov 2012 7:56AM
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well!!......that's just the bumps of life, whatever way your wind blows....

desertyank
1260 posts
28 Nov 2012 6:34AM
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I had no idea this topic could turn into a conversation about penis humor when i first posted Ya gotta love the internet!!!

gibberjoe
SA, 956 posts
28 Nov 2012 11:14AM
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Nicky ? [}:)] there are many "Golden Rivett" myths abounding on the British mayne, some of them are not so nice, unless you are that way inclined. So which do you mean, and did you really find yours

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
28 Nov 2012 1:29PM
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Gj, Nope I was too clued in to the Australian Psyche There is always some smart ass that tries to catch you out.
Ron

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
28 Nov 2012 10:53AM
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you guys must be bored, you need to get back sailing or building.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
28 Nov 2012 7:17PM
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Bored, Yep! That's it The Razor has a broken leg at the moment. Bust the axle out at Anthony Beach last week. "Not Happy Jane", guess I'll spend a few days down at the lake and kill some fish..
Ron

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
28 Nov 2012 8:11PM
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desertyank said...
I had no idea this topic could turn into a conversation about penis humor when i first posted Ya gotta love the internet!!!


Who was talkin 'bout penisi

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
29 Nov 2012 10:03AM
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Yeah! Next thang you know wee'll be having a Competition to see who can WEEE the furthest up a Gum Tree You Yanks are good at that.. Hey John?? or maybe who's Land Yacht carries the Biggest Cannon?[}:)]
Ron

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
29 Nov 2012 5:36PM
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Hi Desertyank. Looks like your last comment the other day went over their heads while they concentrated on their lower parts.

I thought the whole purpose of this forum was to promote landyachting by adding to the amount of huge construction and advice from people like Landyacht, Gizmo, Aus230 and many others. Unfortunately many topics seem to degenerate to a low level very quickly and comments and contacts from overseas seems to have dried up...I wonder why??

A few days ago I had a great sailing day and was approached by a young family very keen to get involved, Dad and 13 year old son are mechanically capable and have the expertise and small worshop to build so obviously I directed them to the previously unknown Seabreeze site and the LLM build. They had never seen a landyacht before and I can only hope they can explore this informative site and ignore the rubbish filling. There are many hundreds of forum comments to sift through.

Wouldn't it be far better if we concentrate on adding to the generous huge efforts of those with the demonstrated expertise, energy and enthusiasm to assist with promoting this fun sport and help intending new participants.

Light hearted fun it may seem but leave the other comments to a dedicated site with its own sticky thread, perhaps call that sticky site "Container for Distracting Rubbish" or something similar.....or even better - conduct the jousting via PM's. Chuck a brick at me if you choose, I have a thick scull and broad shoulders.....Wok

desertyank
1260 posts
29 Nov 2012 7:25PM
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I guess it was too subtle.......

Back to building/sailing!!!

cisco
QLD, 12323 posts
29 Nov 2012 11:42PM
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landyacht said...
crikey you guys , sounds like you all need to get out more!!!!!
All i was saying was that getting back to a square rig and learniing how to make it work would teach you something.
so put away the 12"rules and stop measuring your thangs


Your'e prolly right but that thing called LIFE or the maintenance of it tends to get in the way of JOY. Your response might be "Time Management" and that is fair enough.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
1 Dec 2012 11:47AM
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wokelliott said...
Hi Desertyank. Looks like your last comment the other day went over their heads while they concentrated on their lower parts.

I thought the whole purpose of this forum was to promote landyachting by adding to the amount of huge construction and advice from people like Landyacht, Gizmo, Aus230 and many others. Unfortunately many topics seem to degenerate to a low level very quickly and comments and contacts from overseas seems to have dried up...I wonder why??

A few days ago I had a great sailing day and was approached by a young family very keen to get involved, Dad and 13 year old son are mechanically capable and have the expertise and small worshop to build so obviously I directed them to the previously unknown Seabreeze site and the LLM build. They had never seen a landyacht before and I can only hope they can explore this informative site and ignore the rubbish filling. There are many hundreds of forum comments to sift through.

Wouldn't it be far better if we concentrate on adding to the generous huge efforts of those with the demonstrated expertise, energy and enthusiasm to assist with promoting this fun sport and help intending new participants.


you'll kinda get used to it wok,sometimes we can go ages without deviating , other days it just falls apart. the threads do tend to come back to topic.
on the whole we are rather well behaved .,youll get the jist over time

wokelliott
WA, 179 posts
1 Dec 2012 10:50PM
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You are right of course landyacht, I later regretted placing the reply as I sometimes get too serious. It just happened that I had directed that family to the site and could see that maybe they would be put off a little. There is so much content in the forum that is of value, any newcomer who is serious will seach the info they need and not worry about anything else and I know they will spot me sailing again another day and continue on.

So carry on everyone, I do enjoy it all. Hope to catch up with lots of you later....Wok

sn
WA, 2775 posts
2 Dec 2012 11:00AM
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wokelliott said...
any newcomer who is serious will seach the info they need and not worry about anything else


The way some of the blokes here carry on can be a bit if a worry though when I am directing cub packs, scout troops, schools, etc to this site for information.

Not everyone has a thick skin - or is willing to (or is able to risk having to) put up with the attitudes sometimes displayed here.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
2 Dec 2012 4:46PM
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I have to agree with you Steve. I ever get a bit peeved as I am worried that it will turn people away.



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