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Created by hills > 9 months ago, 9 Feb 2008
hills
SA, 1622 posts
9 Feb 2008 10:58AM
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As posted by Cisco in "Aussie land sailing web sites" there is a web site devoted to the world championships in Argentina, which our very own Landyacht and Promogirl are attending. "www.argentina2008.com.ar" I think this deserves a thread of its own.

I don't know about you but I'll be keeping a very close vigil on this site to see if any of the Aussies have been successful. If anyone sees or hears anything of interest post it up here and hopefully we may even get an update from the Days too if they find their way to an internet cafe or upon their return.

Best of luck goes out to the Aussie compeditors Paul & Susan Day, Wayne Thomas and Forbes Wayne!!!

lachlan3556
VIC, 1066 posts
9 Feb 2008 1:55PM
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Very good idea. I personally didn't even know world championships were on.

I'd like to wish the four of them the best of luck over there and hope they do well, most of all have fun on the other side of the globe sailing like crazy.

bazl
WA, 700 posts
9 Feb 2008 3:09PM
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It will be interesting to learn how they managed with the South American built Promos. I believe the rules have been changed already to allow sail material other than Dacron. Good luck to them all anyway and hope they take a swag of trophies back to Kalgoorlie.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
13 Feb 2008 12:38AM
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Some results are up, Paul Day is the best performing Aussie so far. He finished in postion 27 out of 57 on Monday with similar success on Sunday. Good effort!!

Looks like they're racing the class V's with the promos. Sunday the class V's took the top 6 positions and Monday they took the top 5 positions with one class V finishing down the field. Unfortunately it doesn't look as if Paul's hope of the promos beating the class V's is going to come to fruition. But then again they spend megabucks on their class Vs so it might have been a long shot.

Keep up the good work guys!!

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
13 Feb 2008 1:45AM
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Hear hear!!!!

hills
SA, 1622 posts
14 Feb 2008 9:49AM
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25th position for Paul on Tuesday or 19th position if you exclude the class v's. Consistent performance!

There are some photos up now, but mainly of the Standarts.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
18 Feb 2008 12:49AM
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Stacks of great photos up there now.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
21 Feb 2008 3:50AM
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Well where would Australia be without the legendary Mr Paul Day, self proclaimed second best land sailor in Australia and now proven 31st best in the world.

We wouldn't even be on the list. Hearty congratulations on getting there, staying the distance and getting a great result.

Well Done Paul!!!

Arjay
VIC, 267 posts
21 Feb 2008 9:42AM
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well done Paul!

hills
SA, 1622 posts
21 Feb 2008 9:26AM
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Hear hear!! Hopefully they'll deduct the 6 class v's that raced with them as they're a different class and thus make him 25th in the world

Promo girl
259 posts
21 Feb 2008 9:14AM
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HI Hills,
although it is not clear on the website they did score (and award trophies) to class 5 and promo seperately. So yes that means Paul came 25th in the worlds in Promo class.
For myself after injuries in the 2nd race and then a further injury in the 3rd race (a significant bang to the head requiring an MRI to check my brains had not leaked out!) I decided that now was the time for me to retire from international racing and sit back let the bruises heal and enjoy watching the racing. Hence I was placed right near the back of the field in the overall results, although not quite last! Looking at the official website results though there are a few of the tail enders missing, not sure why? Wayne Thomas completed all races so not sure why he is not listed plus a couple of others from the back of the pack. I will check my results from the local Rada Tilly newspaper when I get home and fill you in. Wayne Forbes was a last minute withdrawl after difficulties with obtaining flights.

Well to the racing - it was hard and very very fast. The class 5's were hugely faster than the promos. However these were very different from any class 5's seen in Australia. Sort of two or three generations on from what the NZ ers had in Aus in the Pacrims. Tim Speirs from UK was amazing to watch. He was so superior to anyone else on the beach. In one race he almost lapped the next class 5 yacht and more than double lapped the leading promos. It is very sad to note that class 5 is dieing out now elsewhere in the world. The machines have become to expensive and high class. It is really only the bigger guys now that are still racing them. It was beautiful watching Tim absoloutely fly down the beach.

The sailing conditions were often very tough. Extremely strong winds (we were supplied with a 5.5m2 sail and a smaller 4.5m2? sail). One day the forcast was for force 7-8. I am not sure what the tops wind speeds we raced in were however it was frequently at the outer limit to what FISLY allows with lots of heavy gusts over this. In one race the sailing master allowed the 3's out on the beach for a practice lap to see if they were able to safely control the yachts before making a decision whether to race or not ...not suprisinlgy the pilots said yes.... it was a very hair raising race to watch.

MOst of the racing was up wind, down wind racing over the length of the beach we were using (about 3kms of beach was barricaded off for our use). As you can imagine at high wind speeds with heavy occollating gusts just getting around the markers was at times a huge accomplishment. Especially as we had approx 55 yachts racing in class 5/promo. I have some terrific photos of the start line with 3 rows of yachts taking off across the wide beach that I will post when I get home and have had some sleep.

The hire promos that we were supplied with did not compare to what we had built here in Aus to practice with and many of our Aussie yachts (including the pacific magics and club 88's ) would do as well or better I feel than the hire yachts. However with the other promos from France, Tunisia, Argentina and Brazil I feel it would have been a closer match. As to which would be faster well who knows? However as taking our own yacht was not viable we glad that we like many others had the opportunity to have the use of a brand new hire yacht. The hire yachts did not have dacron sails. Apparently the sails for the 20 hire yachts arrived the day before the comp and they were made with the material that is commonly used in Sth America for sails (the stuff we make those plasticy rubbish/garden bags with) I am sure Paul will know what it is called. This is apparently quite common there at 1/4 the price of dacron. Paul was the 2nd highest placed hire yacht after Lester from the US who had brought a sail with him. Paul was fortunate enough to purchase a dacron sail from the competition sail maker who flew down from Buenos Aires during the week. His placings improved at this point, well until his mast step snapped off anyway. The seats on the promos were manufactured by a group called airtrack (operating out of France/Tunisia) for someone small like me I found I rattled around far too much so needed to scrounge some foam to pad me out. My biggest difficulty though was there was no seat belts on any of the yachts. So when (note the when not if !) you tipped your yacht over there was not belt to keep you in the yacht. This is where being a big heavy guy helped, they tended to capsize far far less and if they did they would sort of step put. Those that were smaller and lighter tended to FLY out the yacht at great speads over the sail onto the hard sand and hopefully not another yacht. Me and my bruises do believe our Australian rules requiring a seat belt be fitted is a good one.

The organisation of the actual event was truly amazing. As I mentioned the better part of the beach was barricaded off with steel baricades for the week of our racing. During the day as we raced the police were spaced at 100-150m intervals along the length to make sure no public wondered on to the course. There were 6 specially painted brand new toyota's plus other vechiles that were for officials and recovery. Two ambulaces and a mobile medical unit on site at all times. Two club houses and a secure area for the competetors only with security plus this whole street block along the beach front blocked off for a central area for media, information, radio commentary etc. It was sooooo huge. On the first day when we raced (the Sunday) there was public lined along the barricade watching for the entire length of the beach. As you sailed down past the main area the annoucer over the PA would tell the public who you were etc. You always new if you had an argentinian coming up behind you because all of a sudden the crowd would go wild and start cheering for their local guy. It did take a couple of laps before I realised it wasn't me they were cheering for! but is still felt amazing to race along a beach with thousands of people watching and cheering! Even on the weekday racing there was hundreds and hundreds of spectators all along the length of the beach. I have never seen anything like this anywhere else in the world. There was daily newspaper and TV coverage.

The whole town really put on a fantastic show and the coordination and infa structre behind it all was exceptional and one the Argentinian Assn can be very proud of. Including the smaller things like providing interpreters at all pilots breifings and official functions.

Well thats enough of a taster for now of what it was like. I am still jet lagged and need to go back to bed! More later.

cheers Susan

hills
SA, 1622 posts
21 Feb 2008 2:10PM
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Far out, glad you're ok!! Welcome back and well done!!

What happened when you were injured?

bazl
WA, 700 posts
21 Feb 2008 10:48PM
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No seat belts! WTF??

You wont get me to a FISLY regatta on this report...

Promo girl
259 posts
22 Feb 2008 8:29AM
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Thanks guys, yeh I am ok, if I am honest it was my pride that was hurt more than me. It's not nice to have to admit that my sailing skills were not up to the conditions that were required on the day . Basically I had extensive bruising/contusions to legs, pelvis and arms where I either banged about in the yacht or hit the ground, and some grazing to the elbow. Nothing really bad on its own but added all together..ouch. The final straw though was my last dive over the length of the sail onto the beach forehead first. I was dazed enough that my vision went blurry for a while before I really came too, they medics though were taking no chances and I was sent off to have a MRI scan to make sure no real had injuries. I have nothing but praise for the quality of care I received even if it was just to make sure

Please do not be put off from competing internationally by what I have said. It is not FISLY's fault that I capsized my yacht. You may wear a seat belt if you wish it is just not a requirement like we have in Aus. In the past when I have competed overseas and taken my own yacht rather than relied on a hire yacht we have always used our seat belts. There is an arguement why they do not... when sailing on the beaches some yachts do occasionally end up in the drink. With a seatbelt on drowing is a possiblity. You may think I am being a bit melodramatic however we did have one class 2 yacht end up in the ocean in about 8ft? of water. It was awful to watch.

The wonderful class 2 pilot Henri Demuysere was involved in a collision with another class 2 yacht. Henri jumped out of his yacht to make sure the other pilot was ok. Whilst this happened the wind changed direction and his big class 2 yacht sailed off into the surf by itself at speed. Henri chased his yacht into the water but it kept on going out to sea. Rescue vechiles speeded across the beach between the still racing yachts. Henri had to come back to shore when his dry suit filled with water...very scary his said, he thought his class 2 yacht was lost. Then fortuitously the yacht tipped on its side in the water with just a bit of the top wheel and axle were showing. Luckily when the rescue guys came along there was enough of them that they were able to go back out and recover the yacht. Henri was able to fit a new back axle and continued to race the rest of the regatta. All this happened before the rescue boat was able to make it from the other end of the beach.

Susan

Promo girl
259 posts
22 Feb 2008 1:00PM
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I have added a few photos of the promos at the world champs in the photo section. Will add some more later.
cheers Susan

hills
SA, 1622 posts
22 Feb 2008 4:22PM
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Great photos!! Have you got any close ups of these wizz-bang class V's you speak of?

Promo girl
259 posts
22 Feb 2008 8:36PM
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hills said...

Great photos!! Have you got any close ups of these wizz-bang class V's you speak of?


Ok, I have now uploaded the winning class 5 yacht. Tim Spiers from England was an amazing pilot to watch... he was so sleak and fast. There is also 3 photos showing him rounding the mark, breaking his stub axle at which point his yacht tipped over and Tim gracefully stepped out of hs yacht to a round of applause from all who watched his yachting ballet. You can see him later bringing his yacht home the hard way

More photos later
Susan

hills
SA, 1622 posts
22 Feb 2008 10:49PM
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WOW!! Thanks for that!! Looks like he's just taken the lid off a Standart

How much do you think that would have cost him?

What do you think is his secret to such great performance, i.e. how much would be superior equipment and how much would be pure talent?

Promo girl
259 posts
23 Feb 2008 8:41AM
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hills said...

WOW!! Thanks for that!! Looks like he's just taken the lid off a Standart

How much do you think that would have cost him?

What do you think is his secret to such great performance, i.e. how much would be superior equipment and how much would be pure talent?


Hi Hills, yes similar to a standart, however most OTT yachts are. Cost would be close to Standart. Paul will have more idea as he spent a whole evening bending Tims ear at the Empanada Night

As to performance. Yes a lot is his wiz bang yacht however full credit to him as a pilot he is very very good.

The French class 5's were also very similar in design. The French pilots are also very good sailors. They have to be just to qualify for their national team. Competition to get into their national team is very very tough. I will upload some more 5 photos.

We have so much we could learn from overseas pilots and yachts. Here in Aus we tend to have a very insular landsailing community...tyranny of distance I guess has played a historical part in this. My opinon is that if any Australians are ever to do well again on the international stage then we need to be open to new ideas, update our class specifications to an international level and update our sailing rules to international rules. This would not be hard, painful or necessary hurt our hip pockets to do but it would take time and commitment.

A good example would be that some clubs in Aus do not allow push starts for racing. This may be ok for some club racing at a local level but the flip side of this is our pilots are lousy at push starts. I know in one race Paul was under sail and a French pilot ran past him off the start line! (this was after us spending some time practicing push starts prior to leaving) The French are sooooo good at their starts. A good start can make a huge differenace in race placings.

You can also see from the photos if you did not push start on the beach much of the time you would not have got moving. This is just one of the quirky little Aussie things that put us out of step with the rest of the land yachting world and which caused some difficulties in the last Pacrims. If we want to hold another international regatta in Aus again we have got to get little things like this sorted. Off my soap box now
Susan

Promo girl
259 posts
23 Feb 2008 12:36PM
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I thought I would share this photo with you all. This is the worlds first stone land yacht. I don't think even Rada Tilly's strong winds will below this yacht away!

The monument to the world champs was finished the evening before the opening ceromony on the sat morning. How fantastic is that hey. Land sailing has its own monument.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
23 Feb 2008 6:59PM
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Great monument!!

In this picture, what are the levers for (if that's what they are) that you can see to the right and left of his helmet?

lachlan3556
VIC, 1066 posts
23 Feb 2008 8:20PM
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Good question! I also was wondering that.

Sounds like the world championships were a rewarding experience, good to hear you had a good time (apart from the injury scares). I'd also like to thank you for taking some great images of the event.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
23 Feb 2008 8:22PM
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Hmmn looking closer I bet they're hand steering controls for the running starts. Am I right, huh, huh, am I, am I???

dave webster
QLD, 52 posts
23 Feb 2008 7:55PM
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yep ,your on to it hills, the standart has that as standard but only on one side.i think that it should be looked at here, if we were to lift the game, ????????????
one mod a blokart wont need

Promo girl
259 posts
23 Feb 2008 9:30PM
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hills said...

Hmmn looking closer I bet they're hand steering controls for the running starts. Am I right, huh, huh, am I, am I???


Yep your right, hand tillers. It is rather unusual to have it on both sides by why not? depending on the tack of the start line you can bet that if you only had it on one side it is a given that your starts will always need it to be on the other side. I have seen centre based hand tillers before too which also work well.

Having a hand tiller is an easy and really helpful addition to yachts and makes push starts much more easier. Unfortunately the hire promo yachts did not have the tiller installed. The slot was there but no tiller, which meant that those with hire yachts were at a disadvantage of the start line

Promo girl
259 posts
23 Feb 2008 9:37PM
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Sounds like the world championships were a rewarding experience, good to hear you had a good time (apart from the injury scares). I'd also like to thank you for taking some great images of the event.


Sure was a great experiance both on and off the beach and one I would recommend to anyone. Taking the photos was half the fun, we came back with 100's of them, the slow process is uploading them as we are on a fairly low bandwith isp plan but its great to share.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
23 Feb 2008 11:07PM
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Guess I'd better fab one up and start practicing my running starts then. First time I tried one I over stepped the axle and ran over myself.

Yeah, they're great photos, thanks for sharing!!

Promo girl
259 posts
23 Feb 2008 9:42PM
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hills said...

Guess I'd better fab one up and start practicing my running starts then. First time I tried one I over stepped the axle and ran over myself.



yes we have all done that before, I am embaressed to admit that on the first race I cracked my ankle on the axle too. The hire yachts were a Y frame and I am used to pushing with a T frame and did not move my outside leg into the yacht anywhere quick enough

lachlan3556
VIC, 1066 posts
24 Feb 2008 1:27PM
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Hello again. I always wondered about the running starts and how the heck you jump in and not skid a shin painfully, more a question I had for the class 5 and Standart pilots with the 'dorsal' mounted frame especially. Looks like there is definately a trick to it.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
24 Feb 2008 1:24PM
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I'm keen to see the answer to this too.

The way I did it was hold the sheet rope on my right hand and also hold onto the right side of the seat with that hand. My left hand on the left side of the seat. Take a couple of steps to get rolling then put my left foot on the left (windward) axle and swing my right foot into the seat and basically plonk in.

Although as I said, the first time I thought it would be a better idea to step right over the axle, land on the sand and then have the axle smack into the back of my ankle bringing the yacht to a complete stop, then fall sideways into the seat. At which time the sail caught the wind again so I gracefully dragged both of my legs on the sand out of the left side of the seat to bring it to a stop again. All in all spectacularly unsuccessful

Promo girl
259 posts
24 Feb 2008 12:31PM
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lachlan3556 said...

Hello again. I always wondered about the running starts and how the heck you jump in and not skid a shin painfully, more a question I had for the class 5 and Standart pilots with the 'dorsal' mounted frame especially. Looks like there is definately a trick to it.


Simple answer...practice and more practice Actually it is not that hard once you get the knack. Sheet rope and hand either side of the yacht seat, hold a hand tiller if you have one, backside in the air, run like crazy and then either outside foot on the axle and slide in or if you are good swing up both legs together and slide into the seat.

Have a look at some of the photos of standarts I posted you can see pilots at different stages of the starts.

When we are at Gillies I can give you a demo and hopefully not embarrase myself by falling flat on my face

Susan



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