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hello from cape arid

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Created by bushkid > 9 months ago, 14 Feb 2011
bushkid
WA, 16 posts
14 Feb 2011 10:01PM
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hi i am on a farm 9km from thomas river beach (cape arid beach) and 120km east from Esperance

iv read an artical in the local newspaper about the recylce regatta (i think it is Chook 2,s)

iv seen the pic on the front page and realised how simple the design of these things are. After some research iv realised these things look like good fun and would love to create one.

i have gained the build experiance thought creation of a 250cc offroad buggy
i have a 25 year old wind surfer, 4 bikes, 2 ride on lawnmowers, a car, and alot of scrap metal

i have a 5 inch and 9 inch grinder, a drill, a drill press, a chop off saw and a 2 week old WIA 250watt MIG

i did a T! sailing course in esperance 5 years ago but otherwise no sailing experence

i hope i can get help help in the creation of a land yacht as i have never even seen one in real life

regards Tom

bazl
WA, 700 posts
14 Feb 2011 10:08PM
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Welcome to the forum Tom, I can see you having a ton of fun real soon.

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
14 Feb 2011 10:47PM
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do u reckon these things will work in a paddock

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
14 Feb 2011 11:27PM
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If you use wheels like in your avatar, should go ok in paddock. Start with a LLM and build to suit. Most of all, have fun, discuss on forum and learn from others and your mistakes.

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
14 Feb 2011 11:49PM
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stupid question
is a LLM
lake lefroy mini?

desertyank
1262 posts
15 Feb 2011 5:18AM
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bushkid said...

stupid question
is a LLM
lake lefroy mini?


No stupid questions are possible in this forum! Yes the LLM is a lake lefroy mini. There are a lot of them world wide, and they are a proven design. If you follow the design/plans in the construction portion of this forum, you can be up and sailing as soon as you want to.

Take some time to look at the plans, and look at the pictures to familiarize yourself with the LLM, and go for it!

And take lots of pictures during the building process, too please.......

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
15 Feb 2011 12:30PM
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thanks for that

i should be able to some metal this week at a clearing sale

will a 4.2 metre sail on a 4.5 metre mast do the job.
I see that many people cut the sail to size but is there a way to avoid cutting it so i can slap it back on the wind surfer if i wish.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
15 Feb 2011 4:06PM
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gday bush kid. when we designed the LLM , a weekend on thomas river was in the back of our mind as a place to sail it. . If possible build to take 8" wheelbarrow wheels, otherwise some balloon type things off one of your toys will be fine, some of those paddocks out you way would be great after theyve been cropped short.
the beach at TR is a great place to fang around. one year we did manage to get all the way up the beach. with a class 5 . Dunns rocks is a great one too..
and yes you could get away with setting the sail up as a wishbone rig, 4.2 would be perfect for TR

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
15 Feb 2011 5:47PM
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Hi Tom, yeh it's me, I got roped in to promote the "recycle regatta".

The only time I get a girl into a reclining position and and someone jumps out and photographs me.

The guys have been fantastic here on the forum and I'm learning something new every time I log on.

It's all new to me as well and I'm sorting out how to rig a sail at the moment!!!
If I can help you in any way with my limited experience, give me a yell.

I have made a chassis jig, a jig to construct the front end and lots of templates along the way from "Landyacht" fantastic plans of the LLmini.

Here is the front end jig.

The chassis jig.

Kits ready to assemble

And where I'm at now!!!! I still have some stiching to complete but my sewing machine isn't powerful enough to punch through that many layers. Thus the wrinkle below the bottom batten.

It's been good fun building and will post a photo of the fleet when I get them rolling.

I'm only to happy to share and help. Please keep in touch.

Chook





bushkid
WA, 16 posts
15 Feb 2011 9:15PM
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bloody hell u are going to make esperance the biggest yacht club in australia,
mass production great job

where did u get wheels from.
i was thinking esperance ag supply or just bunnings.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
15 Feb 2011 10:15PM
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Adrian at "South coast bearings" for the stack of wheels like on the front. Haven't worked out the cost yet. The rears are turf tires off a ride on mower, hence the 4 stud holes.
1 yacht is mine and the effort I've put into the others is my donation to the Pink Lake bush fire brigade. I'm the acting captain.

Anyone who wan'ts to have a go on the 19th March, just come along get you bum in one and have a giggle with us.

There will be a nursery course for us to practice/learn on, away from everyone else.

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
15 Feb 2011 10:26PM
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i would assume the mower tyres came from the small enbgine centre
what diamiter are they?

i hope i dont ask too many questions

i know adrian quite well as i shopped there for buggy parts

my attendence at the festival of the wind will be determined by the next few days as im going for a diesel mechanic apprentaship in perth

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
16 Feb 2011 8:31PM
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Wow, im getting all hot and excited, even promogirl had a flutter
hope they work
dang Im busy that weekend too

bryan
WA, 121 posts
17 Feb 2011 9:41AM
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Hi Tom, Im Bryan, the Blokart dealer in Kalgoorlie. Ill be in Esperance for the Festival of Wind. Have a couple of yachts with me on display, factory made yachts, all the hard work done for you. No welding time equals more sailing time.
Look me up and get ya bum in a blowie! A life changing experience. There are photos on this page of Blokarts.

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
17 Feb 2011 9:42AM
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just a thought chook,we just had to add a flatbar strap under the mast step on the original gal pipe mini as the mast step ripped off. it is simply a strip of 20 or 25mm x3mm flat bent in a U rising up the side of the mast pipe by about 70mm, no heavy welds on the chassis just spots or 10mm long welds. if the yachts get a flogging , some of them may tear after a year, so while the yacht are still raw it would be a good time to do the mod

bryan
WA, 121 posts
17 Feb 2011 9:46AM
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photos on '' Perfect Sailing Weather ''

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
17 Feb 2011 11:19AM
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hi bryan thanks for the surgestion
i hear blokarts are quite fun but building it is half the fun

im one of those people who finds the building just as fun. Im known to build somthing then use it for 5 mins, then think of a way to change it so i chop it up and start again.

but just for intrest sake how much is one as if i get serious about this game in the next few years then i may consider

@landyacht

i too will note the u shape bracket
thank

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
17 Feb 2011 8:52PM
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When you break a blowkart you have to pay out those shekels for bits![}:)]
If you make your own landyacht you already know how to make a new bit to fix it!

bushkid
WA, 16 posts
17 Feb 2011 10:40PM
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thats my thinking

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
17 Feb 2011 10:52PM
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Ok Paul, thanks.

There is no welding or grinding at the moment as the floor is covered with sails thanks to "sn".

Boy the sails with the triple stich zig zag on the mast pockets are a bitch to unpick. Are there any secrets?????
I have been using a "quick un pick" and I think the inventor had a sick sence of humour!!!!!
Spent the arvo on a stool pulling out stiching.

A couple of mates dropped in and they pulled the piss out of me, about my patch work quilting project.

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
18 Feb 2011 3:27AM
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Practice, practice, practice. Great fun aint it?
Actually it is easier if you lay the sail on a table or even the floor, keeping the material under some tension and that way you can do long runs with your quick un pick. Paul has it to a fine art using a stone honed stanley knife with a curve instead of a point.

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
18 Feb 2011 7:11AM
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Ok, I will certainly try that. I was growing old, going now where, last night !!!!!

Paul seems to have a passion for all things sharp.

I'm off to the shed now.

bryan
WA, 121 posts
18 Feb 2011 9:11AM
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Hi Tom, a chrome moly blokart is $2,324.75, plus sail and mast. 4 different sail sizes, 3 different stiffness masts. Standard mast is $367.30, 4sq metre sail is $772.10. Total $3,464.15. 12 months guarantee on the lot. Have sold very few parts,tyres mainly, they handle really well, though crashing into stuff will bend something. About 12,000 sold world wide, 1,000 in Aussie. Check out blokart.com.au

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
18 Feb 2011 9:41AM
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Chook2 said...

Ok, I will certainly try that. I was growing old, going now where, last night !!!!!

Paul seems to have a passion for all things sharp.

I'm off to the shed now.




It seems silly doesnt it , Ive got 5 stanleys in the shed and can never find one.
the trick is to round off the tip of a stanley knife with a stone and with the sail tensioned , slip the blade inbetween the layers of material and just tickle the stitching

sn
WA, 2775 posts
18 Feb 2011 10:15AM
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Test pilot 1 said...

Paul has it to a fine art .


yep- paul delegates the unpicking to his daughters...

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
18 Feb 2011 1:48PM
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They usually get paid to do it! And me, I do it for nowtor maybe the odd beer or moccha!

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
19 Feb 2011 9:26AM
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Got it !!!! Boy I'm glad I dropped a post on here.
Clamped the sails out tight like you said and the reshaped snap blade knife works a treat. I did more in 20 mins, than I achieved the whole day before.

I haven't had any success with the double sided tape as it doesn't stick to the used sail material. (I even tried cleaning them to no avail) I have been cutting 10mm squares of the double sided foam variety and dobbing them on every 150mm to hold them in position to stitch.

I've got 3 sewn together and they just need the heavy stitching done on the batten pockets and the thicker eyelet areas.
On the mast pockets I have copied the Gastra sails setup. I have run a row of straight stitch down the pocket, 20mm in from the edge for a start and then use this to align the pocket to the leading edge of the sail.

Thanks for sharing blokes. It made life much easier.

Great to hear from you Tom and look forward to catching up.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
19 Feb 2011 9:32AM
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I use a hand sewing tool to do my heavy stitching
Cheers
aus230

www.stitchitawl.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

deansh250
32 posts
19 Feb 2011 10:24AM
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I used staples when tape didn't stick to my sails and just sewed beside them (and occasionaly over them). Worked like a charm but were a little bothersome to remove.

Nikrum
TAS, 1972 posts
19 Feb 2011 11:18PM
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Hi, I'm up in Goulburn at the moment.
The Double Sided Tape serves more than one purpose.. It supports the stitching as well ashold bits in place for stitching.

Which Hand sewing tools are you talking about aus230??? Awl,Sailmakers Palm, Gambrel or Needles??? The first is good for making holes for needle and thread but holes shouldn't be too big, a tight fit for the needle. Tha Palm id used to push the needle through the item being sewn. The Gambrel is a good thing to hold all peices formly whilst the other items are being used.
Saddle and Harness repair is another String in my Bow of Life. A Pricking Wheel is a good thing to use as well as when applied it will mark the job to be sewn evenly spacing the sewing holes. Again I use one that has alternate teeth removed placing ther stitches at about 4mm apart.
Ron



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