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Getting more upwind speed

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Created by aus715 > 9 months ago, 13 Nov 2011
aus715
VIC, 58 posts
13 Nov 2011 6:58PM
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On my A Class Cat (see avatar pic) I have put on a new and much fuller sail to get more off-wind and down-wind performance. As expected I have suffered upwind, to some detriment.
Naturally, it needs to be more flat upwind and needs more prebend in the rig, (10m of CF wing) but I don't want to lose shape by cranking it up too much and going back to where I was last season with my old sail.
I can really feel the drag upwind and against other boats it seems 'laggy'. Lots of downhaul/Cunningham helps but the sail gets stretched so much down the luff when you really crank it on.
My reason to post this?
Landyacht sails seem really flat and generate much higher apparent wind speeds, being an upwind machine that they are. I am hoping to get some advice from the LY speed freaks out there to get more speed out of my Cat, from anyone who can suggest something.
Any suggestions most welcome.

Hiko
1229 posts
13 Nov 2011 5:30PM
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A wing mast?

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
13 Nov 2011 8:44PM
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It is quite common practice to run a down-haul system that is controlled by the main sheet system, there are several versions, here is just one.
Land yachts need a fuller sail to get up and moving and when get going and increasing speed you need a sail that flattens out as you mentioned perhaps a bit like an automatic transmission in a car. This is normally achieved with mast flex and down-haul

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
13 Nov 2011 9:43PM
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I think this would be one for a sailmaker,. i tend to make my sails to sail upwind then work on a technique to compensate downwind. these days i take 5 or 6 sails to the lake , so if its rough, a bigger sail, light winds, a fuller sail,etc
have you considered having a flatter sail, and a line to force more batten bend downwind. there a few class 5's doing that

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
13 Nov 2011 10:16PM
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Adjustable outhaul is what you need -- forget adjusting the downhaul.

Crank on the outhaul when you're going upwind, let it out (therefore bagging out the sail) when going downwind.

Works like a charm

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
14 Nov 2011 8:28PM
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nebbian said...

Adjustable outhaul is what you need -- forget adjusting the downhaul.

Crank on the outhaul when you're going upwind, let it out (therefore bagging out the sail) when going downwind.

Works like a charm

then he needs a system to be able to operate it that he can reach from the end of a trapeze, on his own.
perhaps a radial boom set up , it works even better with a track for the boom sheeting. heres the boom out ,sail full

heres the sheeting in and the sail flat

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
14 Nov 2011 9:41PM
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landyacht said...

then he needs a system to be able to operate it that he can reach from the end of a trapeze, on his own.
perhaps a radial boom set up , it works even better with a track for the boom sheeting. heres the boom out ,sail full

heres the sheeting in and the sail flat




That... is diabolically clever

Here I was thinking about mucking around with cleats and pulleys.

I dips my lid to the engineer who first thunk of that one

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
24 Nov 2011 8:05PM
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I got it from a RC model being sailed by Ross Gamlin. he reckon it was common on RC water yachts. It really works well, but always keepm sheeted, if the mast starts to flap , sheet in



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