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Modified landyacht sail

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Created by hills > 9 months ago, 13 May 2008
hills
SA, 1622 posts
14 May 2008 12:16AM
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Paul, I didn't want to clutter your sail instructions thread so I put this in a seperate one.

This is the sail Cisco is kindly sending me from Jester56:



Should this be what I aim for when I modify it (done with the magic of Adobe photodelux):

hills
SA, 1622 posts
14 May 2008 5:16AM
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Basically I thought I'd cut the foot of the sail parrallel to the existing foot, as low as possible, but so that I'd have enough of an off cut to fill out the rear of the foot. Looking at it now I think I could go a bit lower than in the second picture.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
14 May 2008 11:26AM
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That's damn sexy what you have done there with Adobe. Way cool!!!

hills
SA, 1622 posts
14 May 2008 11:49AM
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That's nothing, you should see when I use it to tattoo people's foreheads... oh wait you have

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
14 May 2008 11:52AM
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Just out of curiosity, why modify the sail at all?
Why not modify the rear of the sailboard wishbone to accept the rope mechanism (dont know what you call it) that you use to adjust the in and out movement of the sail.

My dad used to sail at Rockingham and I always thought a properly rigged sailboard sail would be way more efficient.

hills
SA, 1622 posts
14 May 2008 2:45PM
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I don't know the technical reason, but I believe they need to be different because a landyacht sail is designed to always be vertical, whereas a windsurfer sail is designed to be tilted windward and act almost like a wing.

Hopefully someone who knows what they are talking about will be along soon.

Some people have just bent their boom to match the shape of the windsurfer sail.

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
14 May 2008 2:14PM
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Your probably right, but I dont think the tilted / vertical thing really matters.
The sail is designed to be "shaped" by the appropriate amount of downhaul and outhaul in order to gain the most efficient shape and usage. The wishbone boom is the best way to do that.
Anyway I'm sure there are guys who actually know what they are talking about (as opposed to me ) who will have a definitive answer.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
15 May 2008 9:50AM
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There is the American model land yacht that has the wishbone boom set up. That is the one that has the pilot sitting in front of the mast. Looks rad and a bit scary re safety. There is footage on Youtube of it alleging 70 mph.

I don't see why a sail such as you have Hillsy, ie with a fairly low boom position and not too much roach at the top, would not work well as is.

The shape and aspect ratio of that sail is fairly close to that of the blokart sail I laid over it.

The wishbone boom arrangement does complicate the sheeting set up for a landyacht but the problem is not insurmountable.

If it is not required to recut the sail to meet sail area specs for a class yacht, I think this sail would work quite efficiently.

Paul seems to have the most experience at recycling wind surfer sails. Can you help us out with this one Paul???

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
15 May 2008 10:18PM
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I can but not tonight as I need to download instructions for the masts. you are on the right track though. I cant believe it wasnt real. I shall be careful what photos I put up in future

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
15 May 2008 11:38PM
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firstly what is the sail size? whats it going to go on? It looks like a cammed sail. If so the sail as is will require massive downhaul/outhaul tension at all times, and you will have a sail that is far too full for your landyacht. in order to flatten the sail once you are going you will need to rake the mast back like a sailboarder does. I dont know how you will do that.. the sail can be flattened by getting rid of the cams, pulling off the pocket, recutting the luff and the pocket( it will be curved too and refitting it. you will need to add batten pocket stops to keep the battens back from the mast.
Will the boom length be longer the your cl 5 sail? I suspect so.
when you decide on the angle and length of you new boom position ,measure it from the Back of the foot ,ie you are going to save the roach of the sail and sacrifice the luff area to get the shape right. Remember how I said to look for sails with cloth on the luff , not monofilm!. now you know why.
I havent yet seen a succesful use of a wishbone on a performance landyacht but the mini landyacht from Bunbury that had a wishbone looks to be working fine.



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