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FASTEST EXCITING MONHULL BRAND ?

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Created by ozsail > 9 months ago, 2 Feb 2011
ozsail
40 posts
2 Feb 2011 5:58PM
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hi guys
me again.
i was just wandering please which would be the fastest small mono hull sail boat made/on market ??
is laser faster than sabre ??
is there other brands of monos faster than 2 mentioned above ??
any benifits haveing mono hull over cat style twin hulls besides speed that is ??
thanks
glen

Berndty
QLD, 9 posts
2 Feb 2011 10:43PM
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hey
When I sailed off the beach monos I was in a mg14. Its a 2 up boat main, jib of 9.3m2 "I think" and a assy kite of 14m round the perimeter. 1 out on trap, It was a great boat! nice and fast, great kite rides!!!! Cheap to buy 2nd hand and the other good thing is they are interchangable with 2 other classes all the same hulls different rigs "ns14 with main and jib" "mg14b 1 trap, bigger sail area and kite" and when I sailed them they also had sport skiffs "same hull bigger rigs" but I think thats the mg14b now. check out www.mg14.com . We raced against a class cats and other single handed cats up wind the cats would beat us but down wind we would get it back. Cats are good, but I believe monos have more sensation of speed and they need more skill to sail. And I have sailed both off the beach and yachts.
Hope that helped Berndty

cisco
QLD, 12351 posts
3 Feb 2011 4:15AM
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Look here:- www.tasar.com.au/ and here:- www.tasar.org/

A brand new one will cost around $14,000 but I sold mine for $1,000. It was complete with two sets of sails and on a registered road trailer.

ozsail
40 posts
3 Feb 2011 3:23AM
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hi guys
thanks for info and replies
can the tasar being sailed 1 man though ??
seems to look like a good high perf boat!!
cheers
thanks
glen

Jedibrad
NSW, 527 posts
3 Feb 2011 9:36AM
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moth

but if you don't want to get bored then go to your closest sailing club and buy what everyone else has... You will learn to sail properly and make new friends

ozsail
40 posts
3 Feb 2011 3:06PM
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so can tasar be sailed with one man ?
it would be faster than sabre and laser boats wouldnt it ?
thanks
glen

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
3 Feb 2011 6:05PM
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As a speed comparison have a look at the yacht yardstick used for handicapping,
the lower the number the faster the boat.............

http://www.yachting.org.au/site/yachting/sa/downloads/Event%20Info/0910%20YSA%20Yardsticks%20Sep09.pdf

And the handicap system is quite simple...
(yacht course time) multiplied by (class handicap number) = Corrected time
then the lowest corrected time is then the winner..
In smaller clubs often many different classes race as a single fleet.
And over time the individual yacht will have its handicap adjusted +/- to match the fleet, producing VERY close racing.

ozsail
40 posts
3 Feb 2011 4:16PM
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hi there gizmo
thanks for that info
i cant view dumb adobe reader,bloody thing
whats it say about the 4 boats mentioned above,whats there ratings mate ??
cheers
glen

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
3 Feb 2011 7:18PM
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I would have to agree with Jedibrad about your local club, Its far better fun to sail against a group of boats being the same class rather than being way out in front and on your own in a totally different class of boat.


ozsail
40 posts
3 Feb 2011 5:21PM
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hi gizmo
thanks heaps for posting the boat yardstick facts,cheers man,cool
hey jeibrad,yeah the moth pretty fast mate
most likely wont be joining club,just pleasure racing myself
btw,glenmaggie club is not to crach hot.
cheers
glen

cisco
QLD, 12351 posts
4 Feb 2011 1:05AM
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ozsail said...

so can tasar be sailed with one man ?
it would be faster than sabre and laser boats wouldnt it ?
thanks
glen


Solo sailing is generally regarded as anti social behaviour.

No doubt a Tasar could be quite sucessfully sailed single handed if the jib is not deployed.

I think you need to delve into the web sites I posted and look at the history of how the class was developed.

The Tasar is a progression from the John Spencer Javelin (my first yacht) and the North Shore 14, both of which are two crew yachts.

The difference with the Tasar is that it does not have or need a spinnaker as it will plane to windward.

The benefits of having a yacht requireing a fwd hand are numerous, some of which benefits are listed below:-

1. Someone to talk with, to or at.

2. Someone to reach into the Esky and hand you a coldie.

3. Someone to help right the boat when you cock up.

4. Someone to administer mouth to mouth resucitation to you when you really cock up.

5. Someone fresh to pick up off the beach after sacking the last fwd hand.

6. Someone to shout at when the whips are cracking.

7. Someone to blame when the cock up is yours.

8. Someone to do the dirty work.

9. Someone to praise your qualities at the yacht club bar.

10. Someone to have sex with when you reach the beach.



Ramona
NSW, 7656 posts
4 Feb 2011 8:22AM
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cisco said...

ozsail said...

so can tasar be sailed with one man ?
it would be faster than sabre and laser boats wouldnt it ?
thanks
glen


Solo sailing is generally regarded as anti social behaviour.

No doubt a Tasar could be quite sucessfully sailed single handed if the jib is not deployed.

I think you need to delve into the web sites I posted and look at the history of how the class was developed.

The Tasar is a progression from the John Spencer Javelin (my first yacht) and the North Shore 14, both of which are two crew yachts.




Just to confuse the issue. In NSW the NS14 was also developed into a single hander, jib was dropped and the mast moved forward. Good idea in principle but when a handful of boats turned up at our club and raced against real singlehanders, in this case 3 of my families Finns then their short comings were evident.
If you want to singlehand sail then buy a dedicated singlehander. I tend to agree with a Tasar and socialise. Buy one off eBay, if you don't like them you wont lose much.

Just a note on the Laser. They are sailed as singlehanders but you can actually race two up if you want. Dreadful boats.

john
WA, 12 posts
4 Feb 2011 10:21AM
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What you need is a moth, they are one of the fastest boats around, light and easy to shift around. It can take a little learning to use but if you have any windsurf or high perf dinghy experience then this will help.

There is now a fleet of 8 boats at South of Perth YC and lots of interest too. Don't know where you are?? there is good following in Sydney too.

There are used boats available in Perth. Let me know if you feel up to a ride on one and I can sort that out.

www.moth-sailing.org/imca/faces/news.jsp

John

ozsail
40 posts
4 Feb 2011 11:08AM
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hi fellas
john,im in vic,sth east of melb
how much second hand are the moths go for??
what model moth are we talking about/to get ??

thanks
glen

john
WA, 12 posts
4 Feb 2011 11:40AM
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ozsail said...

hi fellas
john,im in vic,sth east of melb
how much second hand are the moths go for??
what model moth are we talking about/to get ??

thanks
glen


I think the main moth fleet in Melb may be at Black Rock.

Good used boats are about 10-15k, new ones are about 22k. There are older foilers too that go for less than 10k.

The current go boat is the Mach2, with used boats it best to stick with pro built boats like the Prowler or Bladerider.

I have a brand new Prowler for sale yet to be advertised, should be about $14000.

With moths there are a number of small parts and components that need to be working or the boat doesnt work. They are only small things but you need to keep on top of maintenance and checking these things. Not as simple as a windsurfer but really good fun, fast too.

ozsail
40 posts
4 Feb 2011 12:32PM
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out of my price range john,oh well back to something else,cheaper.
cheers
glen

ozsail
40 posts
5 Feb 2011 5:17AM
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with my price range in mind,prob either get hobie 16/17 or the tasar when i find a good clean boat.
cheers
glen

Ramona
NSW, 7656 posts
5 Feb 2011 8:35AM
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ozsail said...

with my price range in mind,prob either get hobie 16/17 or the tasar when i find a good clean boat.
cheers
glen


This sounds right up your street.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Good-Condition-Hobie-16-Catamaran-/320650669592?pt=AU_Boats&hash=item4aa844ee18

Complete package including beach trolley. Should sell reasonably well, bit of a demand this time of the year. Should be able to scare yourself fartless for not much outlay. Hobie's build is not too bad, at least they are strong and the fittings and rig are strong. I've got a showing for my old yacht this afternoon, it has a section of a Hobie 16's mast as the boom.

ozsail
40 posts
5 Feb 2011 5:52AM
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yeah cool.
cheers
glen

mofo
QLD, 91 posts
5 Feb 2011 8:33PM
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1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )

Berndty
QLD, 9 posts
6 Feb 2011 2:07AM
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hey oz
what bout the ns/mg single hander?? I know I have spoken bout the class b4 but I think its a great boat 4 a beginer right up to the hard sailers?? worth a look on your price. dont forget 3 other classes as well when u get a crew.
Berndty

Ramona
NSW, 7656 posts
6 Feb 2011 8:29AM
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mofo said...

1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )


I doubt he intends to sail a Hobie 16 singlehanded. If he does then a tripod attached to the fwd beam under the tramp that extends rear of the aft beam that can be deployed at 90 degrees to the hull will give a lightweight lots of leverage. I used a set of windsurfer wishbones for the job. Adds a bit of weight. Bit of fiddling about setting up shock cord and control lines. There are other methods too to make the cat sailer more self reliant.
In my last sailing club we had to have one weekend a season as rescue boat drivers. The only boats I ever had to rescue were cats, mostly Hobies.
If you sail a cat it pays to learn how to right a cat using a powerboat, where to attach the rope etc and what to expect.

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:46AM
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mofo said...

1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )


hi mate
thanks for reply,gees never thought of that,hahah
im only 100 kilo weight,wasgoing to sail single handed until my son who is 5 is a bit older!!
cheers

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:49AM
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Berndty said...

hey oz
what bout the ns/mg single hander?? I know I have spoken bout the class b4 but I think its a great boat 4 a beginer right up to the hard sailers?? worth a look on your price. dont forget 3 other classes as well when u get a crew.
Berndty




hi mate,thanks for reply,whats a ns/mg single hander??,similar to 1 up ??
thanks mate
glen

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:51AM
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Ramona said...

mofo said...

1up
contender,moth ,laser ---------------------------------mono
nacra 16sq,taipan 4.9 , a-class,weta tri----------------multi




would not recommend sailing a hobie 16 1 up ,unless your 130kg ,you will never get it back up if you hit the piss ( i speak from personal experiance )


I doubt he intends to sail a Hobie 16 singlehanded. If he does then a tripod attached to the fwd beam under the tramp that extends rear of the aft beam that can be deployed at 90 degrees to the hull will give a lightweight lots of leverage. I used a set of windsurfer wishbones for the job. Adds a bit of weight. Bit of fiddling about setting up shock cord and control lines. There are other methods too to make the cat sailer more self reliant.
In my last sailing club we had to have one weekend a season as rescue boat drivers. The only boats I ever had to rescue were cats, mostly Hobies.
If you sail a cat it pays to learn how to right a cat using a powerboat, where to attach the rope etc and what to expect.



hi graham
sounds like good mods there to do,great ideas mate
cheers
glen

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:55AM
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i know it sounds guys im all over the place r.e boats/ideas,still learning,
may be hobie16 is to much for me to handle,get back up,being 1 man sailing,
perhaps i should stick to fast monohull then again like taser,moth,e.c.t ??

brett221
QLD, 128 posts
6 Feb 2011 9:40AM
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I think it is time to simplify it from the amount of crap that is above.
Glen, you are 100kg, are in VIC and want a mono faster than a laser (lots of choices), your sailing experience is in Sabers and you just want to hoon around.

Realistically what budget are you playing with and how athletic are you so we can give you a realistic recommendation that does not involve frigging about with boats that were never quite right for what you want.
Brett

mofo
QLD, 91 posts
6 Feb 2011 10:19AM
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If your 100kg get a contender ,I've had 2 over the years ,quick enough to have fun on ,at 100kg if you want to race you will still be competive ,good fleets all over Australia ,Quite often have world titles in Australia.And for your budget you will get a competive 2nd hand boat..Design by the Ben Lexan...............check out web site contenderclass.org/

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 8:53AM
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brett221 said...

I think it is time to simplify it from the amount of crap that is above.
Glen, you are 100kg, are in VIC and want a mono faster than a laser (lots of choices), your sailing experience is in Sabers and you just want to hoon around.

Realistically what budget are you playing with and how athletic are you so we can give you a realistic recommendation that does not involve frigging about with boats that were never quite right for what you want.
Brett




hi brett,yeah thats sounds spot on.
budget down graded to $ 5,000 for second hand boat
your examination is great!!!
yep 100 kilo in weight,reasonble fitness,yes boat with failry good speed,hooning around,thats rite,for in land lakes.
cheers
glen

ozsail
40 posts
6 Feb 2011 8:54AM
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mofo said...

If your 100kg get a contender ,I've had 2 over the years ,quick enough to have fun on ,at 100kg if you want to race you will still be competive ,good fleets all over Australia ,Quite often have world titles in Australia.And for your budget you will get a competive 2nd hand boat..Design by the Ben Lexan...............check out web site contenderclass.org/


ok,cool thanks mofo
will take a look.
cheers mate
glen

t03y
SA, 74 posts
6 Feb 2011 5:34PM
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if you mean one up mono hulls... moth is definitely the fastest. Whether you can handle one or not is a different story



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