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Created by elbeau > 9 months ago, 10 Aug 2010
elbeau
WA, 986 posts
10 Aug 2010 5:56PM
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These guys seem to have done ok in a small boat. I have a few reasons for preferring a

smaller vessel. Cost not the least. Any thoughts re folkboats.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
11 Aug 2010 12:24AM
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cisco said...

Hard to find a better pocket yacht for the money. A Clansman is similar with a bit more accommodation.

I think there are a few good Folkboats that have been sold recently. If you go back through the posts you will find some pics and info on them.


Thanks Cisco.

I knew I could trust in you

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
12 Aug 2010 12:44PM
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Folkboats are good small crusing yachts well designed with good righting moment and proven history of passage making on a budget. My Flokboat is in good nick and I bought it 10 years ago and have lived on-board for the past 3 years full time I have improved it in this time by:
1. strengthening the mast and fitting larger stays, all halyards replaced as well.
2. replacing rudder gudgeons and pintles, soda blasting the hull and re-epoxy to the waterline only 5 cent piece sized osmossis found.
3. replacing all berth foams and covers.
4. install solar panel and regulator, three new batteries, shore power outlet and elcb board, new switchboard and a re-wire of all lights and navigation lights.
5. re-paint inside and out.
6. GPS and depth sounder and new compass.
7. new cooking stove installed.
8. new front hatch.
The contessa 26 is similar to a M26 Folkboat like mine my yacht I bought it for $8,000 and I love it thats why I have spent alot more on it to get to Mackay and sail in this lovely neck of the woods.
best of luck with your search and i will watch this forum for any further comments with interest.
9. new tiller.
My boat was a sad sight when i bought it and from a lot of hard work and preserverance you get what you want in the end every person has an opinion on the good crusing yacht but it is up to the individual taste to achieve your goals.










elbeau
WA, 986 posts
12 Aug 2010 3:40PM
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Thank you Whiteout for the photos and your input. You confirm what I suspected

that it s feasible to live comfortably in a small space. Having discussed at length with

the wife the possibility of buying a live aboard cruiser it has become clear she doesn't

share the commitment. While not standing in the way of my dream she would be

happy to join me in my travels if she could fly. Therefore only a small boat is

necessary if much of the trip is solo.Folkboats would appear to be the king of small

yachts. They seem to have an enviable record. It is still only an idea to be

entertained at the moment. If I take the next step I will keep you informed.I wonder

how far you have sailed in yours and where you plan to go?I leave you with this

thought.

"Somewhere in the archives of crudest instinct

is recorded the truth that it is better to be endangered and free than

captive and comfortable"- Tom Robbins

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
12 Aug 2010 6:48PM
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elbeau said...

Thank you Whiteout for the photos and your input. You confirm what I suspected

that it s feasible to live comfortably in a small space.


Not trying to rain on any one's parade here but the minimum requirement to live aboard is full standing headroom. Folkboats are wonderful sailing boats but they were designed as day sailers and for the occasional weekend. The Clansman has full headroom but is still a snug interior.

The idea is not to join all those lonely men living as hermits on their small cruisers. Let your wife decide what is the minimum size she could live with.

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
13 Aug 2010 9:16PM
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I have sailed from Pittwater to Mackay and intend sailingthe whitsundays for a few years, then who knows where.
I don't think I am a hermit, as there are quite a few people who live on yachts and sail great distances in their chosen vessel. My girlfriend does sail with me sometimes but you need to be happy with the vessel you choose I will be selling mine sooner or later and upgrading there are a few Van der Stats that I like and Defiance 30 are also good.

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
15 Aug 2010 8:54AM
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elbeau said...

These guys seem to have done ok in a small boat. I have a few reasons for preferring a

smaller vessel. Cost not the least. Any thoughts re folkboats.



Just a point on this topic. The vessel in the clip is actually a Contessa 26. This is actually a British revamp of the traditional folkboat designed by Jeremy Rogers. Its the same length as a folk boat but is actually much larger, more freeboard, higher deckhouse, deeper cabin sole so you have almost headroom for most people. Its also a mast head rig and if I recall correctly, lead ballast compared to cast iron with International folkboats and Australian made M26's.

The editor of Practical Boating and Yachting has one and its rare to have many issues without a Contessa 26 being mentioned. Popular with a lot of singlehanded sailors. Young Australian bloke sailed one from England to Australia a while back and I think it was for sail recently.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
15 Aug 2010 10:15PM
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Ramona said...

elbeau said...

These guys seem to have done ok in a small boat. I have a few reasons for preferring a

smaller vessel. Cost not the least. Any thoughts re folkboats.



Just a point on this topic. The vessel in the clip is actually a Contessa 26. This is actually a British revamp of the traditional folkboat designed by Jeremy Rogers. Its the same length as a folk boat but is actually much larger, more freeboard, higher deckhouse, deeper cabin sole so you have almost headroom for most people. Its also a mast head rig and if I recall correctly, lead ballast compared to cast iron with International folkboats and Australian made M26's.

The editor of Practical Boating and Yachting has one and its rare to have many issues without a Contessa 26 being mentioned. Popular with a lot of singlehanded sailors. Young Australian bloke sailed one from England to Australia a while back and I think it was for sail recently.


Thanks Ramona. I will have a look at them

wongaga
VIC, 620 posts
25 Aug 2010 1:53PM
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Don't forget Tania Aebi's two circumnavigations in her Contessa.

djarrak
13 posts
26 Aug 2010 6:06AM
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We sailed from Sydney to Darwin in a timber Stella Folkboat some years ago. We took 6 months for the trip and the 2 of us lived on board for some months afterwards. I've had a few boats since then, but the Stella is the best sailing boat that I have owned or sailed on. They are wonderful seakindly boats.

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
26 Aug 2010 3:41PM
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There are two hose clamps on the cockpit drains and I do have timber bungs close by, and I am concerned that you choose a Nolex 30 for the rough passage on a Bass Straight and West Coast of Tassie Holiday you will need more righting moment than the Nolex 30 can give you as you will be bouncing around in that boat you will need strengthened mast and rigging. My boat is small but very seaworthy as I have sailed her many miles without any problems. The Batteries are secure and are sealed agm batteries I have dipped the spreaders in the water and they never moved. I have formal training in Naval Architecture and have been involved in many projects from large tankers to sailing yachts and I like this site as there are many different posts on interesting topics.

All the best in your travels.

djarrak
13 posts
26 Aug 2010 4:09PM
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This is a wonderful forum. It demonstrates the rich tapestry of life, from the almost sublime folkboat to the immense diversity of boating opinion. To me, the size of a boat is seldom a reflection of its ability and indeed, an observational rule is that the bigger the boat, the less likely it is to be used for any great endeavour.
I applaud any sailor who is prepared to adequately prepare and conduct their vessel to achieve their goal, whether it be to cross a bay, or an ocean.
I now have a boat that is larger than a folkboat and is hugely comfortable in its accommodation, but whenever I travel offshore, I always yearn for the properties of a folkboat.
Sailing is an activity that gives us the opportunity to connect with like minded people and enjoy the immense diversity. If we can suspend our own bias, we are well placed to create a community that can achieve a level of tolerance that far surpasses the rest of contemporary society. Viva la difference of opinion!

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
26 Aug 2010 6:22PM
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well said!!!
here, here.!!!

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
26 Aug 2010 9:52PM
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djarrak said...

This is a wonderful forum. It demonstrates the rich tapestry of life, from the almost sublime folkboat to the immense diversity of boating opinion. To me, the size of a boat is seldom a reflection of its ability and indeed, an observational rule is that the bigger the boat, the less likely it is to be used for any great endeavour.
I applaud any sailor who is prepared to adequately prepare and conduct their vessel to achieve their goal, whether it be to cross a bay, or an ocean.
I now have a boat that is larger than a folkboat and is hugely comfortable in its accommodation, but whenever I travel offshore, I always yearn for the properties of a folkboat.
Sailing is an activity that gives us the opportunity to connect with like minded people and enjoy the immense diversity. If we can suspend our own bias, we are well placed to create a community that can achieve a level of tolerance that far surpasses the rest of contemporary society. Viva la difference of opinion!


Well said

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
27 Aug 2010 8:54AM
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Hi guys
Let me continue with discussion. I am not in boat building at all, but my yacht has all seacooks with valves./about 8/. But who connect all your batteries parallel, deserves big kick somewhere. Never - ever put chemical cells parallel, they discharge each other and loosing capacity. / there is only one exception / there is a constantan load. cheers

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
28 Aug 2010 9:46AM
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Let me suggest that you do some informed reading to get some knowledge on batteries before putting your foot in your mouth, my yacht runs on a 12 volt system like many other yachts and is wired as such.
Batteries in parallel add to the amp hours and maintain the same voltage. Batteries in series double the voltage and that will blow my power board.

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
30 Aug 2010 9:01AM
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Well You perfectly correct about capacity and so on BUT reality is different.
I just wont a high light a seriousness of the problem.Common practise is dangerous short cut and absolutely not acceptable on the boat.
Obviously it requires better example to follow not just "bat. in parallel constantly discharging each other rate up to 20 % a month.".
You never experince faulty bat. do you, low voltage, lost capacity, maybe just one cell is dead.
What will happen next, all good batteries will balance the voltage. They try, all current from good batteries go to faulty one.
What you get in next few second - burning wires, fire, gas explosion. Happy sailing.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
30 Aug 2010 12:37PM
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Cisco... I have Cruising helmsman mags right back to the
early eighties.....wouldnt it be great if there was a way to
search for articles via computer instead of like me you have
to get the crates out and search each one. I'm not sure
how you do it ? but thanx i will check June 2008 because i
have some battery woes at the moment.

MichaelR
NSW, 855 posts
1 Sep 2010 3:10PM
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Nina and Henrick look like they're having a fantastic time in their Contessa. A Contessa and a Folkboat were on my short list, but I wanted something I could sail straight away, so were a little outside my budget. That left me with a Top Hat 25.

Full standing headroom for a 6 footer and a similar layout and hull design to the Contessa.

The Top Hats also have a distinguished reputation for global circumnavigation.

http://homepage.mac.com/clatimer/TopHatYachts/FileSharing12.html
homepage.mac.com/clatimer/TopHatYachts/FileSharing11.html
These are the only known electronic copies of two circumnavigations by two generations of the same family, both on Top Hats.

So if you're budget doesn't run to the Folkboat or Contessa, check out a Top Hat, you'll be pleasantly surprised about value for money and performance considering their size and design.

Love your Folkboat Whiteout!

Mick

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
2 Sep 2010 8:14AM
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cisco said...

Folkboats for sale on boat point. $7,500 to $95,000. Seven boats only but there would have to be something in there for everybody's budget.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?Ns=pBoat_IsSold_Int32%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_PriceSort_Decimal%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Make_String%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Model_String%7C0&N=896%20604%20607%20610%204294909089&tabID=804585&No=0&Nne=20


Stella on eBay at the moment.

cgi.ebay.com.au/Stella-Folkboat-26ft-classic-yacht-1960-syd-No-Res-/150485115972?pt=AU_Boats

Currently at $1000. The self tailing winches are worth more than that. Note how the petrol inboard is mounted off centre, common on inboard engined folkboats.

Stella's are slightly bigger than International folkboats. I know the broker well, he runs the Regatta brokerage out of Woolwich marina.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
2 Sep 2010 11:04PM
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lots of fun and boat for your buck there alright!!

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
2 Sep 2010 11:23PM
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cisco said...

Folkboats for sale on boat point. $7,500 to $95,000. Seven boats only but there would have to be something in there for everybody's budget.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/DesktopDefault.aspx?Ns=pBoat_IsSold_Int32%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_PriceSort_Decimal%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Make_String%7C0%7C%7CpBoat_Model_String%7C0&N=896%20604%20607%20610%204294909089&tabID=804585&No=0&Nne=20


Thanks Cisco and everyone else for the input. Keeping an eye on these posts but still waiting for a house to sell before getting serious.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
2 Sep 2010 11:29PM
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MichaelR said...

Nina and Henrick look like they're having a fantastic time in their Contessa. A Contessa and a Folkboat were on my short list, but I wanted something I could sail straight away, so were a little outside my budget. That left me with a Top Hat 25.

Full standing headroom for a 6 footer and a similar layout and hull design to the Contessa.

The Top Hats also have a distinguished reputation for global circumnavigation.

http://homepage.mac.com/clatimer/TopHatYachts/FileSharing12.html
homepage.mac.com/clatimer/TopHatYachts/FileSharing11.html
These are the only known electronic copies of two circumnavigations by two generations of the same family, both on Top Hats.

So if you're budget doesn't run to the Folkboat or Contessa, check out a Top Hat, you'll be pleasantly surprised about value for money and performance considering their size and design.

Love your Folkboat Whiteout!

Mick


Thanks Mick. Very interesting. I will have a good look at these as well.

sleek1
VIC, 672 posts
8 Sep 2010 10:54AM
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^^^that boat looks the goods. I would look at a top hat aswell because its the only 25ft yacht i found that had full head room. Meaning headroom to spare at 6foot 2.It was a mark 2.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
9 Sep 2010 10:23PM
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yes , in that 25 ft range my vote goes with the top hat! great sea boat!!

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
7 Nov 2010 7:48PM
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The day has finally come time to upgrade from my Folkboat.
Any hints of a suitable yacht.

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
8 Nov 2010 1:44AM
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See if you can get to spend a couple of days on a Van De Stadt 34 or a VDS Vita 30. I am sure you will be impressed with the comfort and room and they sail well too.

Something else to consider is the Santana 30 which is a Doug Peterson design.

I assume Anthony that when you say "upgrade from your Folkboat" you are referring to more room and comfort.

One should not make assumptions. Maybe what you actually want is more speed and excitement, in which case I suggest you consider a "Yachting World Diamond" converted for cruising.

Six of us spent a riotous weekend on such a yacht cruising out from Auckland Harbour to Waiheke Island and back some years ago.

That boat actually started a "humming sound" when it got rooting and the rig would shudder occasionally on a beam reach. I also read an article a long time ago which suggested they are one of the best boats for crossing bars. This is probably because there is no room to have a bar onboard one.

My friend's boat did have a great fox hole that served threesomes Admirably plus a Honeymoon suite aft that was very friendly but limited to Missionary positions.

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
8 Nov 2010 6:56AM
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whiteout said...

The day has finally come time to upgrade from my Folkboat.
Any hints of a suitable yacht.


Tough question. Real buyers market still and there are heaps of superb vessels out there. Just take your time. Several months now with my Currawong 30 and I'm going to be very biased. Lots of them built but not many come up for sale, now I know why.

Chris 249
NSW, 3350 posts
11 Nov 2010 10:32PM
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whiteout said...

TI am concerned that you choose a Nolex 30 for the rough passage on a Bass Straight and West Coast of Tassie Holiday you will need more righting moment than the Nolex 30 can give you as you will be bouncing around in that boat you will need strengthened mast and rigging.

Old post, but there's at least Noelex 30 that has done two or more Bass Strait crossings and many other offshore miles, with two Sydney-Hobart finishes and not a single issue as far as I know. Last time I sailed on it it didn't have a strengthened mast or rigging, nor was it low in righting moment at high angles of heel. Having laid a Noelex down and done the Strait a few times, I'd have no issue with doing it in a Noelex.

The Noelex may be a more proven Bass Strait performer than the Folkboat; probably FBs have crossed the Strait but I've not heard of it. Not that this is knocking Folkboats, but they were designed as a short-term weekend cruiser according to most of the stuff I've read, and yet they have proven very seaworthy. Maybe they are in fact proof that a boat designed for local cruiser/racing (like the FB and Noelex) can do a lot more than that.

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
12 Nov 2010 7:31AM
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Hi
Did you consider Swanson 32 , now in Port Pirie, just antifouled, Life Raft,
wheel autopilot and all gear you need, Just ready to go. Even singlehanded easy.

whiteout
QLD, 264 posts
13 Nov 2010 10:18PM
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I really like this yacht, I hope Santa wi

ll bring it to me





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