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Main sail battens

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Created by MorningBird > 9 months ago, 22 May 2011
MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
22 May 2011 1:04PM
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I am buying a new main for an S&S34 and would appreciate others views on the benefits of having full length battens versus partial length battens. It is a cruising boat, I don't race it (except when there is another yacht within sight). Thanks

Gizmo
SA, 2865 posts
22 May 2011 12:47PM
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If you ever had to put in or remove a batten on the water would be interesting...
I don't know what the length they would be, but putting a 3m batten into a 3m flapping sail on sloppy water would be worthy of a funny video.
If you go full length carry an extra set as you are going to lose a few over the side...

GetaLife
79 posts
22 May 2011 1:09PM
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Never lost one yet!

Only been using full batten mains since 1992.

The latest main (2010) I had batten cars fitted as well. This has enabled us to reef without too much trouble on any wind angle, including down wind.

As for the sail itself, the sail hold a much better shape, especially running.

IMO worth the extra money.

Dusty

Ramona
NSW, 7477 posts
22 May 2011 6:37PM
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MorningBird said...

I am buying a new main for an S&S34 and would appreciate others views on the benefits of having full length battens versus partial length battens. It is a cruising boat, I don't race it (except when there is another yacht within sight). Thanks


G'day John,
I have 3 mainsails, all full battened. They have some advantages, best one is they make the sail drop down into the lazy jacks nicely. The sail sets well but a quality sail with short battens will too.
The only real downside with a fully battened sail is it never fully depowers so its something to consider if you sail onto your mooring. Hauling up the boom with the topping lift helps but the battens hold a curve so you really never have nothing. Fair bit of weight with the battens too and complex tensioning on the ends. SS34 size wont need any flash mast slides.
I would recommend a fully battened sail just for the benefits of easy handling.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
22 May 2011 9:42PM
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Never had a drama with the full battons.

never had anything else.

except on dinghys

MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
22 May 2011 11:37PM
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I have always used full length battens but I got a quote from Fareast Sails who specified partial battens. I've not used a pattially battened main on my boats. I don't sail onto the current mooring, too crowded and close inshore. If I ever had to there are emergency moorings in deeP water I can use. Cost won't be an issue, I am surprised at the quoted price, less than $1300 delivered. Add a bit for full length battens and I might specify a heavier cloth. I am in Nowra for a couple of weeks staying at Husky. Want to meet over a beer?

Ramona
NSW, 7477 posts
23 May 2011 8:25AM
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MorningBird said...

I am in Nowra for a couple of weeks staying at Husky. Want to meet over a beer?


I'm sure I could fit that into my busy schedule, I'm pretty flat out as a pensioner these days though there are some crappy days ahead that will keep me off the water. PM sent.

MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
23 May 2011 8:50AM
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I'll call you

Poodle
WA, 866 posts
23 May 2011 10:51AM
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We had full length battens on our old UFO34 - They were great. We did more racing than cruising.....





MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
31 May 2011 7:24PM
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Gee the UFO looks like an S&S34 from that angle. Not exactly but the tumblehome and reverse transom require a second look to make sure.

Poodle
WA, 866 posts
1 Jun 2011 11:40AM
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Yes they have very similar lines, the UFO a bit more voluptuous in her curves.
The S&S34 crowd got used to looking at that view (our stern)

MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
1 Jun 2011 10:23PM
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I must have missed the reams of tributes to the racing pedigree of the UFO 34. A very nice looking boat all the same.

Poodle
WA, 866 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:08AM
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They were one of the hottest boat on the water back in the early to mid 70's. We bought her in about 2005, and recently sold her. By pure coincidence, the new yacht we bought, a Sydney 36, is just visible in front of us on that photo.

GetaLife
79 posts
2 Jun 2011 7:17PM
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Our Carter 33 also in the same category.

planesailing
WA, 380 posts
2 Jun 2011 8:43PM
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Ahhh!!! love the Carter 33 had one for 5 years.
Called "Ghost".
What is holding the dinghy up in that picture??

GetaLife
79 posts
2 Jun 2011 9:03PM
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planesailing said...

Ahhh!!! love the Carter 33 had one for 5 years.
Called "Ghost".
What is holding the dinghy up in that picture??



A small pair of s/s davits attached to the pushpit.

Here is another photo that might show it a little better.



Since sold the Walker Bay, found it to unstable and a poor load carrier for the shore trips.

Now carry an inflatable which is also stowed on the davits, except when the weather gets boisterous.

Love our Carter to bits.

Cheers

Dusty

MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
2 Jun 2011 11:09PM
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I have heard that S&S34s did alright in the 70s and 80s. A win in 1969 S2H I believe and the odd one or two Class wins and places in the S2H and other ocean races. Even had a 3rd in Division in the 2007 S2H.
I have to say that the UFO and the Carter are fine looking yachts. I would be proud to own either of them.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
3 Jun 2011 12:15AM
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GetaLife said...

Since sold the Walker Bay, found it to unstable and a poor load carrier for the shore trips.
Cheers Dusty


Quite surprised to hear you say that. I have a WB8 myself and though my use of it has not been much so far, the use I have had from it has been eminently good.

As a hard utility dinghy for use when the yacht is "in port" for extended periods I have found it ideal as long as one has a way of preventing it from being stolen.

I have to admit though, one of them hanging off the stern of an S&S34, UFO34 or a Carter 33 detracts from the beauty of the parent yacht without even thinking about performance.

When cruising with these calibres of yacht, I believe the only way to go is a suitable Zodiac or Avon inflatable stowed in the cockpit locker when anticipated use of the tender is not expected within the next 48 hours.

The very best inflatable dinghy I have ever owned or used is the Avon Redcrest. It is the only inflatable that I KNOW can be successfully rowed with 3 people aboard.

Every other inflatable dinghy I have ever used without a motor I have found to be very successful "unrigged down wind sailing vessels". Damned dangerous in my opinion.

cisco
QLD, 12321 posts
3 Jun 2011 12:45AM
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MorningBird said...

I have heard that S&S34s did alright in the 70s and 80s. A win in 1969 S2H I believe and the odd one or two Class wins and places in the S2H and other ocean races. Even had a 3rd in Division in the 2007 S2H.
I have to say that the UFO and the Carter are fine looking yachts. I would be proud to own either of them.


From recent reports from W.A. they are doing quite well to the point of real annoyance to the owners of Beneteaus, Jenneaus etc.

The 1969 win of the S2H was by Morning Cloud owned by Ted Heath who later became the British PM. My yacht "Cicely June", the very first S&S 34 to come to Australia, also competed in the same race and placed around 16th.

Read the article about the start of the S&S 34 legend here:- www.ss34.org/

Ramona
NSW, 7477 posts
3 Jun 2011 9:04AM
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cisco said...

MorningBird said...


I have to say that the UFO and the Carter are fine looking yachts. I would be proud to own either of them.



Read the article about the start of the S&S 34 legend here:- www.ss34.org/




Cisco if you check out that website forum you will find that one of the most prolific posters is actually MorningBird under his real name.

Before I bought my current and last yacht I had intended to buy an SS34. Most were overpriced at the time or had wheel steering. Second choice was between a UFO or aft cockpit Carter 33 with tiller steering. The plan was to check out the UFO in Qld. then off to Perth to check out several including Poodle's exceptional example.
Then my yacht came on the market and I had to compete with several other buyers, even had to have a meeting with the owners to see if I was a suitable candidate to own the boat. Very weird. Now I wont be parting with this boat till I peg out. Lots of history, 5 Hobarts, 3 Lord Howe, 2 South ports. Has its own website under its previous name. www.katinka.com.au/ Webpage is now dedicated to their new yacht but all the history is still there in the photo section.

GetaLife
79 posts
3 Jun 2011 8:35AM
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cisco said...

GetaLife said...

Since sold the Walker Bay, found it to unstable and a poor load carrier for the shore trips.
Cheers Dusty


Quite surprised to hear you say that. I have a WB8 myself and though my use of it has not been much so far, the use I have had from it has been eminently good.

As a hard utility dinghy for use when the yacht is "in port" for extended periods I have found it ideal as long as one has a way of preventing it from being stolen.

I have to admit though, one of them hanging off the stern of an S&S34, UFO34 or a Carter 33 detracts from the beauty of the parent yacht without even thinking about performance.

When cruising with these calibres of yacht, I believe the only way to go is a suitable Zodiac or Avon inflatable stowed in the cockpit locker when anticipated use of the tender is not expected within the next 48 hours.

The very best inflatable dinghy I have ever owned or used is the Avon Redcrest. It is the only inflatable that I KNOW can be successfully rowed with 3 people aboard.

Every other inflatable dinghy I have ever used without a motor I have found to be very successful "unrigged down wind sailing vessels". Damned dangerous in my opinion.




Cisko,

A couple of years ago there was about five Walker Bays in the Cruising Yacht club, now there are Two and these have had the extra bouyancy skirts fitted to them, which makes them more expensive than the most expensive inflatable on the market?

Over our sailing career we have had a catamaran type tender, a pram type, a Archillies inflatable (pump up keel), Walker Bay, Zodiac Zoom and currently a Aaron inflatable with pump up keel.

The catamaran style is about as useful as an ash tray on a motor bike, closely followed by the Walker Bay. For a hard tender the pram type takes sum beating but not a great rower and quite wet in a chop. The inflatables with a keel are miles in front on all accounts, except for areas with lots of oysters or coral.

As for carrying it on davits, I am not racing with it in place, I am there for cruising and comfort. Pretty picture, performance, versus practicallity?

Our cruising ground is the souther regions of Tasmania, good anchorages are found in abundance within short sailing distances. When cruising in company with the cruising yacht club, the order of the day is usually a BBQ each evening ashore or a BBQ at lunch time with an fossick around the area, hence the convenience of the davits. Although these days most yachts seem to prefer towing the tender behind, something I have had trouble coming to terms with, but in ideal conditions I now follow this practice.

I found that if we were ashore and the weather decided to take a turn forthe worse and the anchorage began to chop up, the Walker Bay was decidedly scarey with little freeboard and poor stability. The inflatables, powered by (in our case, a Honda 2hp) being more stable and safer.

As you have stated, in extreme conditions or sailing further offshore, we do pack the inflatable up and stow it.

Of course these are only my opinions and observations over the years, we each have to make up our own mind on the practicality and ease of use for the conditions we use them in.

Cheers

Dusty

MorningBird
NSW, 2654 posts
3 Jun 2011 12:21PM
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As Ramona notes my earlier comments were tongue in cheek. I agree that hanging stuff off the stern of beautiful boats detracts from their beautifulness. Even the Fleming vane on the back of my Morning Bird is offensive but it is so wonderful to use it has to stay there.



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