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Created by hangtime > 9 months ago, 24 Feb 2013
hangtime
NSW, 397 posts
24 Feb 2013 8:33AM
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Team Australia in their orma 60 Trimaran just knocked off 12 hours from the Sydney to Hobart record. 12 hours! 29 hours to get there. It seems like cats and Tri's are smoking records all over the world and just look at the AC72's on youtube.......

southace
SA, 4776 posts
24 Feb 2013 3:17PM
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This is a good short doco on the future AC

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
24 Feb 2013 4:44PM
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hangtime said...

Team Australia in their orma 60 Trimaran just knocked off 12 hours from the Sydney to Hobart record.


I contend that they didn't break the record, but I will concede they got there faster than any previous Sydney to Hobart yacht.

When talking records I think it only fair that you compare like with like, not a 60' Orma Tri with a Maxi yacht.

BlueMoon
866 posts
24 Feb 2013 3:25PM
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There must be something going on with the proliferation of multi's, whether people are buying them just to get their partners onto the water with them?? or something else....? a change is defineatly happening

HaveFun
NSW, 201 posts
24 Feb 2013 10:19PM
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Does this have to do with picking the conditions. The race record is for a race starting on a particular day and the conditions are serendipity. Did the tri wait for the best downwind conditions?

Jethrow
NSW, 1240 posts
25 Feb 2013 7:48AM
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They didn't break the Syd - Hob "Race" record, they broke the World Sailing Speed Council record for the fastest time between Sydney heads and Hobart. WOIX still holds the "Race" record but Team Australia is the fastest vessel over that defined course.

I have no problems comparing multi's and mono's for records. It's been happening for 60 years now. The fastest time has always been open to any sailing craft. Once there's been more claims on the record then sub divisions (mono's v multi, length divisions etc) will come into play...

dralyagmas
SA, 380 posts
25 Feb 2013 9:10AM
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TA has never been given the opportunity to have a shot at the race record because multi's are not allowed in the race so to say that they could pick their day is a bit of bull****. Yes they could and they did to set a record good on them. They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.

I highly doubt whethe WOIX will ante up and pick their weather window to see what that can do though

crustysailor
VIC, 870 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:00AM
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I'd like to see TA 'shadow' the SH fleet.

Give the rest a few hours head start, then go.
Have a tracker onboard, and just follow out the heads and work their way through the fleet, low key, and obviously not having any reliance or using any of the CYC resources.

A casual post christmas sail down the coast, dropping into Hobart.

frant
VIC, 1230 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:29AM
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crustysailor said...
I'd like to see TA 'shadow' the SH fleet.

Give the rest a few hours head start, then go.
Have a tracker onboard, and just follow out the heads and work their way through the fleet, low key, and obviously not having any reliance or using any of the CYC resources.

A casual post christmas sail down the coast, dropping into Hobart.



Only trouble is that all the TA crew will be racing in the Hobart fleet already.

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:37AM
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dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?

dralyagmas
SA, 380 posts
25 Feb 2013 4:18PM
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LooseChange said...
dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?


Probably in the eyes of CYCA otherwise other than just prejudice why haven't they been allowed to enter?

HellfireJack
24 posts
25 Feb 2013 2:08PM
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dralyagmas said...
LooseChange said...
dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?


Probably in the eyes of CYCA otherwise other than just prejudice why haven't they been allowed to enter?


This is why




How many people do you think could get killed or injured if there where 100 cats doing S2H, I agree it would be a great sight, but not a risk I would put my club through, the press would have a fied day if it all went wrong!

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
25 Feb 2013 6:39PM
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dralyagmas said...
LooseChange said...
dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?


Probably in the eyes of CYCA otherwise other than just prejudice why haven't they been allowed to enter?



For the same reason they are not in the Fastnet race. No one is stopping them having their own race. They have tried this before but when you look at the numbers of multi's available and suitable, they are very thin on the ground. The tragedy of the catamaran lost at sea with all the crew returning to NZ from Hobart on a previous race has put a bit of a damper on things.

badinfluence
QLD, 538 posts
25 Feb 2013 8:35PM
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HellfireJack said...
dralyagmas said...
LooseChange said...
dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?


Probably in the eyes of CYCA otherwise other than just prejudice why haven't they been allowed to enter?


This is why




How many people do you think could get killed or injured if there where 100 cats doing S2H, I agree it would be a great sight, but not a risk I would put my club through, the press would have a fied day if it all went wrong!


lmao...well you certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons, hangtime, no pun intended.
if we were all scared of getting killed or injured, we would never go sailing. We would take up golf or some other lame pursuit instead. Go hard or go home I say! But most times, that going hard can live in harmony with good seamanship. Just my roolly, roolly retarded humble opinion.
now I shall make a cup of tea and wait graciously for the assault.
Tata

Jethrow
NSW, 1240 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:04PM
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Ramona said...

For the same reason they are not in the Fastnet race...


Ummm, they ARE in the fastnet race. At least they have been (I'm not sure about the last one)

dralyagmas
SA, 380 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:36PM
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Yeah cause mono's never turn over. There are plenty of big ocean racing cats or tri's that do bigger races than S2H

slainte
QLD, 2246 posts
25 Feb 2013 10:17PM
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Good on ya Trace...............enjoy your cuppa

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
26 Feb 2013 8:41AM
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Jethrow said...
Ramona said...

For the same reason they are not in the Fastnet race...


Ummm, they ARE in the fastnet race. At least they have been (I'm not sure about the last one)




Looks like your correct. Must have changed the rules in 2011. this is the first mention of a Multi in the results!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastnet_Race

hangtime
NSW, 397 posts
26 Feb 2013 9:31AM
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Ah the Mono faithfull or "Leaners" will allways uphold the pictures of capsized cats to prop up a very weak argument, Lets not forget the images of Tony Bullimore and Raphael Dinelli on sinking capsized mono's with keels long departed in that Volvo race several years ago.
Hey you guy's they race around the world and across the Atlantic at huge speeds without failure these days.
Why race a slow boat?
would you race a HQ holden when there are SS Commodores available?
Wild oats is now changing her name to Mild Oats!

Wollemi
NSW, 349 posts
26 Feb 2013 11:53AM
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Ramona said... The tragedy of the catamaran lost at sea with all the crew returning to NZ from Hobart on a previous race has put a bit of a damper on things.


Haven't heard of this one. Got a source or reference? So the crew raced a mono from Sydney to Hobart then switched to multi for the Tasman Sea? And did this multi emanate from NZ?

crustysailor
VIC, 870 posts
26 Feb 2013 2:57PM
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forgetting about the (predicatable) mono vs. multi thing for a minute, anyone been watching the weekly AC roundup on C31?

If you can get past the American accents constantly repeating Aye See 72's all the time, there's been some good footage, and behind the scenes.

When Oracle went T*t's up, one of the teams hit the local pool and practiced jumping in fully kitted from the highest dive platform they could find, just so they knew what it like following a 72 capsize. It puts their actual beam into perspective.

They also carry on their belt a small oxygen canister good for around 3 breaths, incase of being tangled underwater.

On tonight about 10.30 from memory (can't be sure, the PVR just records it)

As for TA, I know what I'd choose to take in the next S2H: one of the smallest, slowest and oldest boats in the fleet, or the 60ft tri?

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
26 Feb 2013 6:32PM
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Wollemi said...
Ramona said... The tragedy of the catamaran lost at sea with all the crew returning to NZ from Hobart on a previous race has put a bit of a damper on things.


Haven't heard of this one. Got a source or reference? So the crew raced a mono from Sydney to Hobart then switched to multi for the Tasman Sea? And did this multi emanate from NZ?






Can't find it now, plenty of other accidents though. It was a few years ago and they were not entered obviously. Several multis raced down after the official starters. Was a well known cat.

Rattlehead
QLD, 555 posts
3 Mar 2013 8:19PM
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HellfireJack said...
dralyagmas said...
LooseChange said...
dralyagmas said...
They also showed that multi's can do the passage so maybe should be given a shot at the race.


Was there ever any doubt about multi's being able to do the trip?


Probably in the eyes of CYCA otherwise other than just prejudice why haven't they been allowed to enter?


This is why




How many people do you think could get killed or injured if there where 100 cats doing S2H, I agree it would be a great sight, but not a risk I would put my club through, the press would have a fied day if it all went wrong!


Someone did me out the footage of wild thing bobbing around upside down when their chanting keel went apesh1t ....in the middle of Bass Straight 2004.

. Multihulls a have proven to be just as safe as monos in ocean racing .. I'd rather be hanging on to the bottom of a upturned tri with the piece of mind that there's a couple of extra hulls for buoyancy reserve . Or would you rather be on a sinking mono with 20 tonnes of lead trying to take you to the bottom.


Edit Rambler upside down in the 2011 fastnet ,



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