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Created by form > 9 months ago, 27 Jun 2012
form
WA, 8 posts
27 Jun 2012 11:47AM
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Hi all,
New member with no experience with yachts or sailing wanting to sail the world.

Well dream about it anyway.

Wanting to buy a decent size yacht shell and build it up as a project for the family to sail in one day. Looking at buying something in the 12m+ range that we can deck out for ourselves. Have built a mobile home before and hope that it will be similar.

Would like to ask some questions of some of the more knowledgable people as this is going to be a big project for us.
1. Is it possible to us the motor for long distant travel to get a hull home?
2. Do they need to be fully kitted to have balance.
any comments would be helpful.

max

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
27 Jun 2012 3:08PM
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hi Max,

Short answer to Q1. Yes.

Long answer, depending on speed, fuel efficiency, fuel capacity and not forgetting engine condition, your own abilities and lastly distance to be travelled anything is possible.

Short answer to Q2. Probably yes

Long answer, Most yachts need the internal furniture to be fitted as it forms part of the overall structure of the yacht and this includes the deck being joined to the hull, otherwise the hull just flexes and stresses. The keel ballast would need to be fitted to get the boat to float closer to her lines. If this is not done try to visualize a cork bobbing around in your washing machine.

Lastly, when building a yacht the hull is the cheapest part of the whole exercise, it's all the fitting out and rigging that will keep you broke after that.

Having said all that it is good to dream, for without dreams we are nothing. The way boat prices are dropping at the moment it may be more prudent to keep your eyes on the used yacht market.

Harry

southace
SA, 4776 posts
27 Jun 2012 3:57PM
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You will need a grinder,epoxy,blood sweat and beers and you could end up with something like this!

southace
SA, 4776 posts
27 Jun 2012 3:59PM
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Oh and make sure you fit all the heavy stuff,fuel,water,battery's etc as close to dead centre and as low as possible!

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
27 Jun 2012 7:47PM
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This is a real sailing community with real experience
We happy to share the knowledge and welcome new faces
Aim is to get you sailing safe and sound.
Often. one of us can take you through early stages.

Sorry to disappoint you, but time to buid the boat is long over.
Market has change and buiding is actually many times more
expensive than buy secondhand.
What about annual marina fees and sliping.

There are options, that apply to specific question.
Than when you ask detail question we can answer.

In the mean time to get you practice, what about ,
buy family friendly trailer - sailer and join us on the water.

form
WA, 8 posts
28 Jun 2012 11:45AM
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Thankyou everyone for the replys.

A lot of the reason for building a yacht is to work as a family and to understand what is in it and how it works. As with Southace's yacht I like the lightness of the interior which a lot of yachts don't have. I'm not against darker wood interiors but having decked out a mobile home and you notice that it makes a space feel a lot smaller.

As Charriot has said, I too think that to build one from nothing is probably over but there are some nice semi-built yachts that only need an interior put in that could be good for us as we don't has the experience to make a structurally sound boat. As we are still in the planning and understanding phase, which could mean buying a completed yacht rather than building.
The worse is I end up with a rather expensive day sailer. We have not looked into slip fees for our area but we live in a small town so hopefully that it will be a lot less than the city prices.

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
28 Jun 2012 10:05PM
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I am impressed, shallow draft - bilge keeler.
very handy for Aussie coastline

real family size, even you can accommodate dog, cat and maybe chocks too

form
WA, 8 posts
28 Jun 2012 8:19PM
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Thanks for the link slainte,
We noticed that one and would love to have a go at it! Just think it maybe out of our league for a start but in real terms how good would it be as a world traveller? Is it a good designed hull? Is there such a thing as too big?

rumblefish
TAS, 824 posts
28 Jun 2012 10:30PM
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That's a fair lump of a boat!!

Worth considering with something like that "is it actually worth spending the cash on?"

For example the masts, standing and running rigging, sails and deck gear are going to cost you close to $150k and that is before you look at an engine (was there one?) fitout, paint (and fairing compound!) and electronics.

Surely something like this http://boatsales.com.au/boats-for-sale/boatdetails.aspx?R=12715484 would be a better way to spend your hard earned?

LooseChange
NSW, 2140 posts
28 Jun 2012 10:45PM
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Yep, both of those boats would be perfect beginners boats, just the thing for someone with no experience.

slainte
QLD, 2246 posts
28 Jun 2012 11:21PM
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southace
SA, 4776 posts
28 Jun 2012 11:13PM
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Oh dear! I got my 37ft glass hull for $22,000 and then spent $100,000 inculding my labour to get it to cruising mode. double all my prices plus add 20% and that will give you a rough figure for that back yard boat makeover!!

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
29 Jun 2012 1:17AM
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form said...

Thanks for the link slainte,
We noticed that one and would love to have a go at it! Just think it maybe out of our league for a start but in real terms how good would it be as a world traveller? Is it a good designed hull? Is there such a thing as too big?


Yes!! There is such a thing as too big and too heavy.

Remember you are buying a yacht for your OWN pleasure, not your so called friends who as soon as you suggest coming out for a sail with you will have something more important to do.

99.999% of people hate being on the water in a small yacht. A small yacht is defined as being any boat smaller than the USS Enterprise which is a 1,000 foot long aircraft carrier.

You say you have " no experience with yachts or sailing" and "wanting to sail the world." plus "Wanting to buy a decent size yacht shell and build it up as a project for the family to sail in one day."

This is not sounding like a "positive plan" with a "high probability of success" so far unless you have TLC "terrible lot of cash".

I suggest you "Define Your Dream" then "Formulate a Plan", "Plan Your Work" and then "Work Your Plan".

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
29 Jun 2012 8:31AM
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If you spend some time studying sites such as yachthub you will find the larger yachts, those over 36 feet seem to be exceptional value compared to the smaller yachts. Watch your local marina or mooring area for awhile and see what yachts actually move. Visit harbours in Queensland and Darwin and see which yachts are for sale and talk to the husband left there trying to sell the boat after the family walked off!
Think about how strong your family members are, can they manhandle a No1 headsail up on to the deck, can they even lift the spinnaker pole? If your incapacitated can they get you home?
My home port is filling up with 40 foot plus yachts, some steel some glass and ferro. None of these boats have left their moorings since! I sail at least once a week and make a point of sailing past these boats, owners are often onboard and I wave to them.
I sail 99% of the time singlehanded, if your sailing with a family you are too in reality.

If your looking at steel project yachts remember steel is 80 dollars a tonne.



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