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stuck sea cock

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Created by rynot55 > 9 months ago, 15 Jul 2013
rynot55
NSW, 18 posts
15 Jul 2013 4:22PM
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Have a stuck engine sea water cock. Any suggestions how to free it while at mooring? It is stuck open and want to close it as have a blockage somewhere as no water is coming out back of exhaust
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Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
15 Jul 2013 7:23PM
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Might be best to identify the type of seacock you have. If it is a Blakes you may be able to loosen off the nuts that hold the tension on the cock and then apply pressure to the handle. If its a gate valve you can pull it apart but be aware the water will rush in at some force. If its a ball valve some can be pulled apart but best not on a mooring. What ever you do, avoid using too much force and have your tapered wooden plug handy.

Not sure why you need to shut the valve to sort out no water flow. If the valve is blocked disconnecting the water pipe above the waterline and back flushing may help. No water flow out the exhaust is most likely a worn impeller or a worn impeller face or even a broken shaft. I would suggest checking the water pump first.

rynot55
NSW, 18 posts
16 Jul 2013 8:41PM
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Hi Ramano

Not sure what sort of seacock it is. Is made of plastic. Will try & insert a photo.

I wanted to shut the valve as I had cracked an engine water filter lid between it and the impeller pump and water is slowly leaking in. Ended up gluing the crack for the moment and clamping the hose as I sure didn't want to break the seacock!

The previous owner (of about 30 years!) had rebuilt the impeller etc in the pump about 18 months ago. It is an old Yanmar and he suggested to look past the pump where the hose attaches to the engine. It is a funny cylinder that has an anode amongst other things in it. Any way that's the next job after I replace the sea water filter .

Yes....wooden plugs...I suddenly realised their usefulness when I had a leak and couldn't find any!!!



Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
17 Jul 2013 9:24AM
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Looks like a plastic ball valve. Not sure why its even on the engine. I presumed we were talking about hull seacock to the engine. What's on the other end of that rubber hose? Should have a valve at the skin fitting to shut off the water flow. If that hose comes from just a skin fitting with no valve then removing that clip and pulling off the hose and quickly replacing with a correctly sized bung and reclamp will enable you to service the valve.
CAUTION; depending how far below the waterline that valve is, water will enter at a startling speed! I used to regularly pull off a 2 inch hose to clear and I can assure you it comes through at some force.

That funny cylinder sounds like a heat exchanger. The anode could have disappeared and salts blocked all the spaces or tubes where the cooling water flows. The end should be able to be removed and the tubes rodded out. It could also be an oil cooler. Try posting a photo showing the whole unit.

Impellers in water pumps will last only a couple of minutes if run dry. I would be checking the state of the impeller first. If the water is going past the water pump then the heat exchanger is probably the culprit for the blockage. Underneath the heat exchanger there will be a cast iron section of pipe where the hot exhaust gases mix with the usually cool seawater, a Y section. This is a sacrificial section that blocks up. Pull off the heavy hose and poke a screw driver up the hole. This regularly blocks up with engines that are not run hard enough, running at idle or fast idle with no load for an hour or so charging batteries for example!

rynot55
NSW, 18 posts
17 Jul 2013 5:54PM
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Hi Ramano
Thanks for all the feed back.
I'll make myself a bit clearer.

The photo is of the seacock which is attached to the skin fitting on the hull. If it is a ball type as you suggest
then I'll leave it alone until I slip the yacht in a couple months time (for the !st time since I've owned it) The top photo is another angle of the seacock valve.

The hose runs to the plastic engine sea water filter that I cracked the lid on.

The funny cylinder is not part of the heat exchanger. The bottom photo shows the salt water intake hose attached to the funny cylinder.


Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
17 Jul 2013 7:57PM
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That funny cylinder is just an intake with multiple screw fittings for fitting other stuff.

nswsailor
NSW, 1434 posts
17 Jul 2013 9:22PM
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Not good, not good at all.

We had a yacht leave Camden Haven a couple of years ago and he got the bar all wrong on the way out.
Resulted in taking a couple of big greenies and attempting to dive to the sea floor on the other side of the breakers!

What he didn't realise was that his batteries had broken loose during this attempt to dive [or fly] as he went over the bar.

The loose batteries did only one bit of damage, they destroyed the inboard engine's raw seawater plastic seacock!

Now those onboard did not realize that anything was wrong at first, until the yacht became sluggish and SEEMED to be lower in the water.

Quick action got them back inside the bar, without anymore drama, where MR Camden Haven quickly came to their rescue.

Change the seacock to a bronze ball valve ASAP!

doug27
NSW, 28 posts
17 Jul 2013 9:53PM
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Could it be a blockage at the inlet.does water come in if you loosen the cover on the basket filter.abuild up of antifouling and a little growth greatly reduced water flow on my boat

cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
18 Jul 2013 1:13AM
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Ramona said..

That funny cylinder is just an intake with multiple screw fittings for fitting other stuff.


And being a Yanmar it also has one of the anodes in it. There should be another on the rear side of the cylinder head.

I am sure what you have is a 1 or 2 ym raw water cooled Yanmar which are a great little engine, though parts are becoming harder to get.

When you slip next you should remove all the hoses from the engine and flush each section of the cooling system with fresh water with tap pressure. A lot of gunk will come out. If need be you can pickle the system with acid (hydrochloric I think is the one to use) or even vinegar.

Then fit new hoses and anodes and yes, fitting a bronze or stainless ball valve is highly recommended.

These engines do not need much water flow to keep them cool but they DO need a good flow from that pump. Check the thermostat which should be in the top of the wet manifold.

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
18 Jul 2013 8:54AM
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doug27 said..

Could it be a blockage at the inlet.does water come in if you loosen the cover on the basket filter.abuild up of antifouling and a little growth greatly reduced water flow on my boat


Select to expand quote
doug27 said..

Could it be a blockage at the inlet.does water come in if you loosen the cover on the basket filter.abuild up of antifouling and a little growth greatly reduced water flow on my boat


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nswsailor said..

Not good, not good at all.

We had a yacht leave Camden Haven a couple of years ago and he got the bar all wrong on the way out.
Resulted in taking a couple of big greenies and attempting to dive to the sea floor on the other side of the breakers!

What he didn't realise was that his batteries had broken loose during this attempt to dive [or fly] as he went over the bar.

The loose batteries did only one bit of damage, they destroyed the inboard engine's raw seawater plastic seacock!

Now those onboard did not realize that anything was wrong at first, until the yacht became sluggish and SEEMED to be lower in the water.

Quick action got them back inside the bar, without anymore drama, where MR Camden Haven quickly came to their rescue.

Change the seacock to a bronze ball valve ASAP!




I have a feeling this is a steel yacht. The skin fitting looks like it may be galvanised steel then a short piece of rubber hose to the nylon filled valve. The chances of buying a quality bronze valve these days is not good. The bronze valve would not be any stronger than the nylon filled valve although it may be cheaper. I have a mixture of valves on my yacht, eventually they will all be plastic.

rynot55
NSW, 18 posts
18 Jul 2013 10:37PM
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Ramano

Yes it is a steel ketch. You are correct with the gal skin fitting, hose, 90 bend then plastic valve.

Cisco

Yes it is an Yanmar 3qm . Thanks for the flushing and anode advice. Havnt worked out where the thermostat is yet but will.

Doug27

Yes I wanted to check that 1st but that's where all my problems got worse as I cracked the plastic lid on the strainer and had a woorysome leak to say the least as I couldn't turn off the stop cock!

NSWsailor

Scary story!

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
19 Jul 2013 9:22AM
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The lid for the strainer should be above the waterline. The water leaking out is possibly just back drain from the engine.

rynot55
NSW, 18 posts
19 Jul 2013 10:11AM
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Good point, from what I can remember the lid is below the water line. Have only owned the yacht a few months and still sorting out a lot of things. Have had had conflicting advice wether it is a problem to have the filter above or below the water line.



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