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Any experts on correct technique?

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Created by DavidJohn > 9 months ago, 27 Dec 2007
DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
27 Dec 2007 8:49AM
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Yesterday I took a short vid showing my paddling technique...Click here..



After a couple of years of just finding what works best for me..I think an almost straight lower arm as you swing through the stroke..and very little bend in the upper arm..as you sort of swing both arms together..Also note my fist in front of my face at the point of most power in the stroke.

I sometimes see guys with bent elbows using more arm than torso to paddle..Often bending over too much..and also when they straighten up and relax only half dip their paddle..and this can develop a bad habbit..IMO.

I'm no expert about this..and I'd love to hear from anyone who is..Am I doing it right..Is there a right and wrong way to paddle?..also I'm sure paddle length will have a big effect on technique.

Also note that this vid is a flat water cruising technique and things change a little when paddling in waves and into a strong wind or in rough water..It's only a fairly new sport and I haven't heard much about correct paddling technique.

DJ

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
27 Dec 2007 11:39AM
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Hey DJ, I am no expert either, but the best resource I have found for this type of information is at - www.standupzone.com/

Cheers

Andrew.A

Greenroom
WA, 7608 posts
6 Jan 2008 12:01AM
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Very good info.
Thanks

Session
VIC, 445 posts
7 Jan 2008 11:42AM
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Hi DJ ,

Hey im no expert....

Your technique looks good , iv'e found slightly deeper blade depth will give you more power and consume your energy much faster !
Power also comes from your hips , keep that in mind next session.

sess

paddlepop
QLD, 209 posts
8 Jan 2008 10:55PM
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are you sure that's you JD - looks more like Laird to me

Praise the Laird!

DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
10 Jan 2008 2:03AM
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HaHa......Yep it's me..

I don't know if that's a complement to me..or an insult to Laird..

We are the same height..That's about it..I can only hope that one day I might he half as good as King Laird.

Here's a still from the vid.....Also..Thanks sess...I have found that when I paddle hard I use much more torso and back to get more power.

DJ

DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
11 Jan 2008 3:34PM
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I just posted a couple more Youtube vids showing my paddling technique.

This time with a front and rear view..Feel free to comment, criticize or give advise.

DJ

Vid 1 (already posted)...



Vid 2...


Vid 3...

Rex
WA, 949 posts
11 Jan 2008 10:47PM
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Out of interest what format did you post the original clips to youtune in ? The quality and clarity of the clips are very good.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
12 Jan 2008 2:33AM
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Thanks Rex.

They must look better on your computer than mine because I was a bit disappointed in the quallity..Maybe I expected too much from Youtube.

I have a little Canon Ixus40 point and shoot camera with movie mode.

I think it's set on about 30 frames per second and about 640x480 in size and in AVI format.

When I first tried to post on Youtube I had to convert AVI to MPEG..That was a hassle...But now Youtube takes AVI..wich is what my camera films in.

I'm no expert on all this..Hope that answers your question.

Cheers

DJ

kitesuffer
NSW, 148 posts
12 Jan 2008 11:47AM
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DJ,
OK, I'm pretty much a beginner so if you think I'm talking out my ass that's fine but looking at your 2 new clips, I get the feel that you paddle's too long. I know a lot of people have posted on this issue and that you have chosen to keep your paddle at the top end of the range for you but when I watch these clips I see how high you have to reach at the start of the stroke and I wonder if you'd get more power with a slightly shorter paddle. Otherwise I can only dream of paddling as nicely as you. I am still zigzagging along to some extent.

I have really appreciated the posts you've made on this forum. Thanks man.

Revvin
VIC, 299 posts
13 Jan 2008 3:03PM
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DJ,

Did you learn to SUP on the NSP 11'?

Judging from some of your other posts and your pictures I am the same height as you but I'm carrying a bit more weight. I have access to borrow an 11' NSP and was wondering how I would go starting off SUPing on this board?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
13 Jan 2008 5:17PM
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Revvin,

I'm 6'4" and about 90 kilo.

I used a stock plastic windsurfer for almost a year before buying my 11' NSP board.

You could learn on it if you were a kid or very light..but only in flat calm water.

Get in the rough stuff or waves and the fun factor gets less because it's very tippy.

Borrow the NSP and see how you go..but only if you have perfect conditions.

When I bought the NSP (a year ago now) there was nothing else available and they are very cheap $900 is half the price of most SUP boards..but there are too many things going against it for fun SUPing..First it's only 25 1/2" wide..and 27-28" is regarded as a minimum these days..Some say 30" is the perfect number.

But it's not just the width...The bottom shape is all wrong for SUPing..it's got a belly shape bottom that makes it surf from rail to rail well..but also makes it want to roll like log when SUPing.

The rail shape is also wrong..Push on the rail of a SUP board and it seems to get to a point and not want to sink any further..Push on the NSP and the board will just want to flip over.

Also the rocker line is wrong..There's no real flat spot..or sweet spot..The sweet spot is so small..I only have to move an inch or so and I fall in..With SUP boards you can walk around all over the place and not fall in.

Having said all that I think you could learn on an NSP but it's a bit like learning to windsurf on a sinker..hard work and not as much fun as learning on the right board.

Hope this helps.

DJ



DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
13 Jan 2008 8:22PM
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kitesuffer said...

DJ,
OK, I'm pretty much a beginner so if you think I'm talking out my ass that's fine but looking at your 2 new clips, I get the feel that you paddle's too long. I know a lot of people have posted on this issue and that you have chosen to keep your paddle at the top end of the range for you but when I watch these clips I see how high you have to reach at the start of the stroke and I wonder if you'd get more power with a slightly shorter paddle. Otherwise I can only dream of paddling as nicely as you. I am still zigzagging along to some extent.

I have really appreciated the posts you've made on this forum. Thanks man.


Thanks Kitesuffer for you coment....I've always liked a long paddle..Even at a very young age...Here I am heading off on my first paddle..




Seriously tho..It's strange seeing yourself on vid..and I think you're right..even I think my paddle looks a little on the long side.

But after trying different lengths..I find this the best..I found that at the point of max power in the stroke my top hand needs to be about face level..any higher..or lower I seem to loose that power.

If you go up to a wall and push against it and try and push the wall over you will see what I mean..maybe between shoulder and face level..But then there is the leverage or balance thing between the top half and the lower half of the paddle..With the lower hand being the pivot point..the higher the top hand the more leverage you get.

The bottom hand is set..It just swings through an arch..BTW..The paddle in the top first vid is 88" long..The lower two vids are with a paddle that's two inches shorter at 86"..and still feels ok.

I was getting a bit of rotator cuff pain in my shoulder before (maybe from old injuries) but now using the slightly shorter paddle it seems a little better..There is a real science to all this paddling stuff and I'd rather learn a correct technique early rather than do damage that may be irreparable.

Also I'm sure other will benefit from all this or find it interesting...Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill..

I have also learned that opening the top hands fingers..like pointing them..really helps with long distance stuff..I tried it and it relaxes the hand and forearm heaps.

Keep the comments comming...there must be some real pros out there.

DJ

SUPS AUST
23 posts
23 Jan 2008 4:53PM
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Hi DJ,
We have been teaching SUP for a while now and are adopting a few Outrigger techniques to use in SUP.
Firstly, it looks as though you have your left foot slightly forward of your right (maybe its just the camera angle). Its important to be comfortable, but you might find you are getting an uneven workout and using your left side more than your right.
Secondly, if you turn your hips with the paddle you will get more power from your lower body. Its hard to explain in writing, but thikn of your hips and your paddle as being parallel throughout the whole stroke - i.e if your paddle is on the left, then as you bring it through your left hip follows the paddle. This does a few things - it allows you to look over your shoulder so you can see the waves if you are in the surf and it also gets your legs pushing the board away from the paddle so the load isnt completely on your arms.
Thirdly, once you have finished the stroke, it helps to feather the blade back around close to the surface of the water instead of bringing it up and over. Think of drawing a perfect semi circle in the water from the tail of your board to the nose. This will help keep your arms straight and help turn your hips but having the blade on or close to the water will also help if you lose balance and need to put weight on the paddle to rebalance. If the paddle is in the air it wont be able to help. Whenever i am sitting waiting for a wave, i always have the paddle in the water doing something. Its like a walking stick!
And its good to see that you keep your arms straight throught the whole stroke. When folks bend their arms, they are only using the smaller bicep and tricep muscles. When you are straight armed you use the bigger muscles in your shoulders and back.
Its also good to see you are standing up nice and straight. Some people have a tendency to hunch over and stick their ass out. Not only does it look funny, but its not good for your back and you'll be working harder.
again, its hard to teach this stuff without showing you in person, but hope it helps a bit. and at the end of the day everyone has their own technique, so by all means do whatever works best for you!
anytime your in noosa, come around and we'll go for a paddle!

champcrow
SA, 804 posts
23 Jan 2008 11:42PM
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Nice reply SUPS AUST thats explained alot for me, i'll definatly be trying them out tomorrow.

Its good to have some experts advice on hand cheers.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17457 posts
24 Jan 2008 2:37AM
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Thanks SUP AUST...Great tips.

Hopefully one day I'll get up there and I'll take you up on your offer..

Are you guys having another SUP event like last year..and if so..when?

DJ



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