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Couple of thanks

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Created by hilly > 9 months ago, 27 May 2010
hilly
WA, 7323 posts
27 May 2010 10:09AM
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Thanks to Aiden at windgenuity who responded to my email about being not happy with the Naish 14 stock fin and then swapped it over, excellent customer service

Thanks to AA for sending over a wave grinder fin to try in said 14 Glide

Some good people in the industry

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 12:31PM
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Pics of wave grinder fin ???

I'm doing some fin time trials on the Naish 14 tonight. So stay tuned !

Phill, bring the camera, for a Pictorial !

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
27 May 2010 10:44AM
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Simondo said...

Pics of wave grinder fin ???

I'm doing some fin time trials on the Naish 14 tonight. So stay tuned !

Phill, bring the camera, for a Pictorial !


Looks really small compared to the big Naish surf that works well.

http://www.wavegrinder.com/faqs.htm



russh
SA, 3025 posts
27 May 2010 12:16PM
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hilly said...

Simondo said...

Pics of wave grinder fin ???

I'm doing some fin time trials on the Naish 14 tonight. So stay tuned !

Phill, bring the camera, for a Pictorial !


Looks really small compared to the big Naish surf that works well.

http://www.wavegrinder.com/faqs.htm






So when do they finish shaping it

Makaha
1145 posts
27 May 2010 10:59AM
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haha

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 1:03PM
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I can time trial that fin too !! I know someone who got one very recently !

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
27 May 2010 1:45PM
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The Wave Grinder fin works exceptionally well on flat water race boards in calm to choppy conditions. It keeps the nose in the water and allows the board to do its thing. The fin also increases the the size of the sweet spot in the middle of the board from our trials. Due to the upright nature of the fin it also allows the race boards to pivot easily around buoys for turning.

We have a dedicated course with repeatable results so we can trial the different fins and boards.

A full review will come once we have the numbers in!

Phill

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
27 May 2010 2:09PM
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We will have demos of the WG fin at the Roar.

Cheers

AA

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
27 May 2010 2:25PM
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AA said...

We will have demos of the WG fin at the Roar.

Cheers

AA


Will you have them for sale ?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
27 May 2010 4:15PM
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Imagine the weeds you could catch on that..

Good to hear about Aiden and Andrew.. Both great blokes.

DJ

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
27 May 2010 4:30PM
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Piros said...

AA said...

We will have demos of the WG fin at the Roar.

Cheers

AA


Will you have them for sale ?


Rob you will be able to order them from us for delivery week after the comp. We are testing them first. Feedback so far is V.Good, both as a DW fin and a surf fin.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
27 May 2010 4:37PM
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AA said...

Piros said...

AA said...

We will have demos of the WG fin at the Roar.

Cheers

AA


Will you have them for sale ?


Rob you will be able to order them from us for delivery week after the comp. We are testing them first. Feedback so far is V.Good, both as a DW fin and a surf fin.



AA I would be very interested in your feedback on this fin. The high aspect I understand the very small winglets to avoid 'tip vortex' I am not so sure. The very thin foiling and Lexan construction are also different to common understanding about performance but like all things the proof is in the pudding. Be sure to let us know the combined feedback. I'd love to have a go. I paid my mortgage for many years selling fins so these kinds of things interest me greatly.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
27 May 2010 8:12PM
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did a down winder on one of these fins last weekend in really chopy windy conditions the fin went really great felt sweet and was great on runners thanks AA for lending me the fin and ya board cheers

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
27 May 2010 8:31PM
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We'll probably start a new thread, with pics from tonight....

3 different fins made very marginal difference for me on the Naish 14, over 400m, with 1 turn (2x200m - out and back). The 3 fins were the Naish 14 Standard Fin, this Winged Fin in photo, and an 8 inch True Ames Al Merrick Channel Island Generation 2 Single Fin, with loads of rake. Photos to follow.

The legrope / leash trailing in the water, added maybe 3-4 seconds over 400m. Very marginal. But that becomes roughly 10 seconds per km.....

The Naish 14 Standard Fin probably points the best, allowing up to 12 strokes on 1 side (with minor wind assistance).... but by pausing to swap sides, you get a free little glide and rest, and seems to make little difference overall....

Essentially, slightly inconclusive, more scientific testing required !!

My first run was 3mins 7secs on the Naish 14 Fin, and all the other runs were peppering 3.08/3.10/3.11/3.12..... what effect does muscle fatigue have.... ???

Have fun in the water people !!

TimB
WA, 260 posts
28 May 2010 8:08AM
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Good looking fin.

You guys need to go to the nearest windsurfing shop and have a look at the range of race fins on offer and wave fins. Windsurfing has cover a lot of ground in relation to high aspect ratio fins and designing in twist etc.

There are now a heap of fast weed fins on the market to.

Most fins in the sizes for a SUP come in configuration that will fit fin boxes on a SUP.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
28 May 2010 10:28AM
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TimB said...



You guys need to go to the nearest windsurfing shop and have a look at the range of race fins on offer and wave fins. Windsurfing has cover a lot of ground in relation to high aspect ratio fins and designing in twist etc.

There are now a heap of fast weed fins on the market to.

Most fins in the sizes for a SUP come in configuration that will fit fin boxes on a SUP.


I agree.. but they aren't cheap.. In fact they're very expensive and for very little if no gain at all.. IMO.

Those nice dagger/pointer type windsurfer fins are great for high speed.. Not us..

They are great for pointing into the wind (while planing).. again Not us..

They are not good for going down wind or going slow... Now that's us..

..and not most will fit our fin boxes.. it's very few because most use power or tutle boxes in windsurfing boards.

DJ

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 May 2010 10:46AM
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Yes DJ, many of the windsurf fins have tutle or power boxes. True Ames Fins are available with the 'normal' or 'original' or 'american' fin box mount. (but I thought a bunch of Aussie's invented the fin box?).

http://www.trueames.com/wind_select.php?wind_products_id=14

Also, my fin experiments last night didn't show "much" noticeable difference between fins. Flat water paddle conditions. Time were quite consistent with 3 different fins.

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
28 May 2010 11:32AM
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The other thing we found out was that the rider and board weight makes a significant differnce as to how well the fin board combination performs.

It would be interesting to see Jonathon try out one of these fins.

Phill

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 May 2010 10:02PM
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http://www.star-board-sup.com/2010/news/read.php?threadid=6852

This fin agrees with my suspicions for general flat water paddling..... Pointing straight, has a fair bit to do with Fin Surface Area. This looks like a nice Shallow Water Tourer too, and a Weed Dropper !!

A variation on a Hatchet style fin!



Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 May 2010 10:10PM
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The board on the Left of Picture.... I saw this a while ago, and initially thought it was a Naish 17, but it has a square tail (Naish 17 has a rounded pin). Decals a logo's on it looks like Naish too.... the one on the right is 15' x 30" according to the advert.... the other could be 16 or 17.... x 27..... Or is it a future Starboard ???....

http://www.star-board-sup.com/2010/products/boards/board_k15.php






JonathanC
VIC, 1021 posts
28 May 2010 10:22PM
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My bamboo fin has arrived, haven't had a chance to try it yet, it's surprisingly big, looks good! You are welcome to try it in the 14 Glide Simondo. I was wondering about that board next to the K15 too!

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
28 May 2010 8:26PM
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Did Cheyne and Ben ever have a patten on the winged keel fin ? I have an original shortboard fin signed by both in the trophy cabinet a keeper for sure

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 May 2010 10:33PM
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Thanks J.

If I was forced to lay a $5 bet, I would say it is a Naish 17 Proto, with a very similar square tail to the 14 (I still wonder if the Naish 14 started life as a 15, and had 1 foot hacked off!). But, why would a Naish be on the K15 site ??!! The decals have a very similar arrangement to the Naish 17.... Deck decal screams of Naish ! Nose rocker is also very Naish (14) !!

I will say, the square tail on the Naish 14 seems to give it plenty of versatility ! It would be much harder to surf in small waves with a pin tail, in my opinion.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
28 May 2010 11:10PM
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I like the shape of that new Starboard Bamboo fin.. How many inches deep is it Jonathan?

I reckon that white board next to the K15 is a Naish 14' Glide.. The pic is slightly distorted.. and it is very odd to see a Naish in a Starboard advert.

Starboard do have a secret DW board coming.. Maybe they copied the Naish 14..

DJ

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
28 May 2010 11:13PM
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Agreed, could well be a Naish 14..... pics can be distorted. The flipped nose would distort the eye also.....

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
31 May 2010 8:30PM
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a lot of opinions about this fin. i got a lend of one for a few hrs. tried my fin, the grinder, my fin again, the grinder again. on my 14'( the rocket), i believe it is faster. but the best thing is the board bobs around less and generally behaves better, which means faster. jacko and myself have found at training the flatter boards get thrown of line easily in broken water and other boards wakes. i believe this fin will be able to 1/2 that disruption. hopefully there will be a lot of knockers and i'll be one of a few that is going to get one
cheers
ps imho the right fin/rudder on a dw board is just as inportant as surfboard fins

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
31 May 2010 8:41PM
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Mark me down as a knocker..

DJ

JonathanC
VIC, 1021 posts
31 May 2010 8:50PM
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The Starboard Bamboo race fin is 8" long if you measure vertically down from the bottom of the board. But if you measure form the centre of the section that goes into the fin box to the centre of the tip of the fin it is 12" long (that is 12 inches from where it comes out of the board, not counting the insert section) - it's a substantial fin. Still haven't tried it yet but will in the next day or two and report back.

It's so swept back it really looks like a weed fin.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
31 May 2010 8:56PM
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JonathanC said...

The Starboard Bamboo race fin is 8" long if you measure vertically down from the bottom of the board. But if you measure form the centre of the section that goes into the fin box to the centre of the tip of the fin it is 12" long (that is 12 inches from where it comes out of the board, not counting the insert section) - it's a substantial fin. Still haven't tried it yet but will in the next day or two and report back.

It's so swept back it really looks like a weed fin.


i wouldn't mind one of those when i paddle up to the bridge and back. the amount of debris in the water is unbelievable at times

wazza66
QLD, 611 posts
31 May 2010 9:17PM
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Andrew Allen from PSH has given me a set of the wavegrinder thruster fins to tryout at the Roar comp on the weekend.

Not sure on what they will do ,neither is he as nobody has tried them yet.

I will have to wait for some swell as it is flat as here on the Goldie, and will post the results as I will be trying them on a 8'8 and 9'6 in both quad and thruster setups.

Waz

DJ... I can't knock it till I try it


laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
31 May 2010 9:33PM
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wazza66 said...

Andrew Allen from PSH has given me a set of the wavegrinder thruster fins to tryout at the Roar comp on the weekend.

Not sure on what they will do ,neither is he as nobody has tried them yet.

I will have to wait for some swell as it is flat as here on the Goldie, and will post the results as I will be trying them on a 8'8 and 9'6 in both quad and thruster setups.

Waz

DJ... I can't knock it till I try it





hey wazza66, with 4 of em in, i wouldn't be surprised if you hydro foiled past us at the alley



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