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Do I need a SUP specific leash?

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Created by Slab > 9 months ago, 23 May 2012
Slab
1101 posts
23 May 2012 5:43AM
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Is it okay to use a standard Longboard leash for a 9ft 6 SUP...or do I need a stronger leash? Not using it in big surf...just waist high.

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
23 May 2012 8:11AM
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IMO you're ok with a standard longboard leash.

DJ

micksmith
VIC, 1686 posts
23 May 2012 8:42AM
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Its ok imo unless you have been using leash on LB in larger surf, either way why not buy another leash, then you'll have a spare.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
23 May 2012 10:43AM
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Slab said...

Not using it in big surf...just waist high.


That's how it starts...then shoulder height...then overheads...then double overhead.

If you can, buy the strongest leash you can afford. If you can't afford it, keep the one you have - simple.

windjunky
VIC, 398 posts
23 May 2012 11:17AM
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Sailhack said...

Slab said...

Not using it in big surf...just waist high.


That's how it starts...then shoulder height...then overheads...then double overhead.

If you can, buy the strongest leash you can afford. If you can't afford it, keep the one you have - simple.


I spoke to the guys at Balin and they said they have been making a super strong SUP specific leash - 10mm and double swivels - only available through Peninsula SUP. Bit exxy though... www.psups.com.au/sup-shop/

(I have no association with either company)

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
23 May 2012 9:18PM
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www.psups.com.au/sup-shop/

That leash is hand tied! Trust me, that is actually stronger. Balin also know this, which is why they opt for hand tied in certain situations. No as pretty, but it is stronger...

Modern leashes always tend to break at the joints. Hand tied leashes will eventually break near to the hand tied end at your ankle (usually), but they will often last longer than the modern versions.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
23 May 2012 9:25PM
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To entice market competition... Ring Balin direct, and place your specific order, and tell them you can't find the colour/length/cord dia, or ankle/calf/knee attachment, etc at your local joint...

They will actually do a custom leggie on request... No two of us water freaks are alike!

(03) 5986 6069
They will mail it out to you.

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
24 May 2012 12:06AM
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Simondo said...

http://www.psups.com.au/super-sup-surf-leashes/

That leash is hand tied! Trust me, that is actually stronger. Balin also know this, which is why they opt for hand tied in certain situations. No as pretty, but it is stronger...

Modern leashes always tend to break at the joints. Hand tied leashes will eventually break near to the hand tied end at your ankle (usually), but they will often last longer than the modern versions.


on you Simondo
i deleted my similar post, i was afraid it would sound negative.

its looks handmade and probably stronger but looks 6 -10
just saying
but it does look like a tuff leggy

Slab
1101 posts
24 May 2012 2:09AM
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I decided to buy a stronger 10 ft leash anyways....being a surfer I did not want to take any chances of a SUP turning into a missile.

LyndaLim
VIC, 121 posts
25 May 2012 10:14AM
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They are definitely tougher and stronger than your standard legrope - and we spent a lot of time talking with the guys at Balin on this. In the interests of competition, they can be mailed out on request.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
25 May 2012 9:48AM
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Simondo said...

To entice market competition... Ring Balin direct, and place your specific order, and tell them you can't find the colour/length/cord dia, or ankle/calf/knee attachment, etc at your local joint...

They will actually do a custom leggie on request... No two of us water freaks are alike!

(03) 5986 6069
They will mail it out to you.


I didnt know this!

I used to use Balin when I was younger (much) and they very good but no one sells them here

I think I might order a handtied six footer

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
26 May 2012 3:49PM
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A good quality longboard leash about the same length of your sup is all you need. Highly recommend Creatures. Super thick leggies are way too heavy and createe heaps of drag and are really only useful in massive waves or if you are a kook and fall off all the time in waves you probably shouldnt be surfing.

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
26 May 2012 11:32PM
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Yer, go a big wave leash in waves bigger than 4 foot and if your not falling in ever, your either not trying hard enough or you just love heading straight to beach!

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
27 May 2012 9:30PM
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Slab said...

Is it okay to use a standard Longboard leash for a 9ft 6 SUP...or do I need a stronger leash? Not using it in big surf...just waist high.


What is a standard long board lesh these days
There is that many to choose from (brands) on the market all are differend Length thickness then you got ankle strap and or calf.

With a bigger board say 10foot plus you gotta think strenth before drag on the wave face?and calf strap ? my reason being you can get a nasty yank through your knee using an ankle biter ? i find recovery finding the leg rope under water is easyer to .....you dont have to pull your leg right up to find it ,,,,also when your paddeling on your knees its easyer to grab and flick weed off ......in your case plastic in the UK or is it a chunk of ice only joken

The general rule is you get a leg rope the lenght of your board or a tad bigger.
The smaller the leg rope in lenght the faster the time to recover your board.But the closer it will be to slappen you back in a whip out

Recoil and stretch of your leg rope selection = quality of materials, velcro, padding width etc

The leg rope will stretch quite a bit over time ,,,,,,,,,,,,,**** ones will go like spaggetti real quick.

One last thing is when you dive off or ride the front of the board you want to get / be able to get clear of it nothing worse than using a 9 foot leggie on a 11 foot catching your knee on the nose [}:)] something you gotta be aware off if your using a short one on a long board

Ps Dont choke your leggie when you tie it on ,,,,,,,ie by using a half hitch / sort of slip knot as the rope will be to long and will cut into your rail .........Just double loop it through and use velcro .this is the strongest method and will ensure the webbing hits your rails not the rope.

Check your leggie every surf especially the rope .....even if your not in the surf,,, if your board gets away from you your stuffed

If it gets a knot ditch it ..... they drag , catch weed and can break

Ps Colour is critical

Got pitted a dawn today dont know that was better the stars over night or the surf









paulford
WA, 312 posts
27 May 2012 9:48PM
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Was sat watching the Sup crew at Cottesloe today, and very suprised at the number of people getting onto boards without a leash. I could be wrong but i couldn't make out anyone outhere with a leash attached.

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
27 May 2012 10:03PM
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No leshes ......so be it,,,,but not good practice
If you fall of backwards at any level and it takes off on you .......(ok it could hit some one) ........but the main point is your up the creek with out a paddle Rather have me board stuff the paddle

It dosnt take much wind chop or waves and your boads off faster than Black Cavior,,, you wont catch it

balin
VIC, 11 posts
15 Jun 2012 12:57AM
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I've written on this before but here's my 35 years of leash making theory.

You are all forgetting one thing. Leashes are breakable it just depends what you do to it. if you dont want it to break try stainless steel wire, Oh what no stretch! maybe we'll have to compromise.

We use a grade of poly urethane that is compromised between it's tensile strength and it's softness. PU is a thermoplastic. Excellent abrasion and chemical resistance, fantastic stretch memory and it can be extruded and moulded. Modern formulas are also water clear and UV resistant. Warning : exposure to chlorine will perish it quicker than anything. Example locking a leash up inside a board cover lined in the usual PVC (poly vinyl chloride) laminated materials seems to hasten the degradation of PU. Takes a long time though (years). Overstretched
Leashes or coils will return to proper shape if heated. Say about 100deg C. Too hot and you'll reshape it.

Now for the what's best theory. With surf boards stretch is strength. If a leash can stretch out while the wave pressure deminishes then it won't get to break point. Remember PU is still quite a soft plastic. Stretch far enough and it break at the weakest point. So the heavier the wave choose a longer leggie. For long boards you need to go up in thickness to counter board weight and surface area. A small wave pushing on a sidways oriented board puts a lot more pressure on the system. So it's not always wave size, it's the actual wipe out situation. Some people just seem to fall the wrong way and break more leggies than others.

So what is the weakest point? Any knick or cut (sharp fins) will result in a tear point. UV aging can degrade the surface. Need magnifier to detect. Look after your leash. Why did we develope the first PU mouldings and patent them? Because we wanted a stronger system than the hand tied knot. Knots strangle the cord and become the break point. Having said that they are bloody good when there is no other way. Notice how they disappeared from the market.

Now without going into our intellectual property knowledge, suffice it to say our moulding system is the best. Ask shops about our return. Can a leash maker survive poor quality ??

But you do have to use a product that is "fit for pupose". That brings us to whats best for SUPs? Consider all the variables of size, weight, conditions already mentioned in the thread and it turns out that even if you've selected what might be right you can still find yourself in conditions that will bust your leash in the surf.

Generally a longboard leash at least 9ft or better will do until that fatefull day when all the stars line up and you eat it in the impact zone (doesn't have to be big) and you go one way and your board goes the other......like I said maybe you should have gone for stainless wire! Serious surfers seem to be regularly breaking longboard leashes of all types on SUPs. That's why we have been trialing some thicker urethane we had in stock. It was too heavy for surfboards but it does work for SUPs. We hand tie them because they are prototypes. We have not comitted to a moulding expense,yet. I expect we wil have some more comercial models available by summer but for now they are basic but they work. They aren't cheap but if you are breaking leggies then it could be a good investment. The cost is in the PU and the labour and the freight.

Having said all that be confident, our leash are fit for purpose and we back them as being the best avilable. Most specialist stores can advise you.

BALIN

DavidJohn
VIC, 17461 posts
15 Jun 2012 1:43AM
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Thanks for your post Balin.. Interesting stuff.. We are lucky to have a local Aussie surf company making leashes for us that are such a high standard and constantly improving.

I still have my first Balin leash (yellow half coiled and half straight) and I used it on today's down-winder.. It's still like brand new after a few years of constant use.

I still see people wrapping their leashes around the tail of their boards when on the roof of their cars and I often advise them not to because of the risk of fin cuts and unessesary uv rays.

DJ

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
15 Jun 2012 6:44AM
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enjoyed your pov and professional opinion balin. thanks for the post



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