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Do Yo Do The Right Thing When Paddling Out

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Created by OG SUP > 9 months ago, 11 Feb 2013
OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
11 Feb 2013 8:07AM
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Often you see people paddling out and head straight to the open face ruining the ride of a surfer smashing it up on the way in. "Not Cool"

I smiled when I saw Kristi posting these images.





Phill

surfinJ
673 posts
11 Feb 2013 7:06PM
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That's some nice shots showing how it should be done. It's a cultural thing it's seems. In
Australia where there are generations of surf elders to pass on the behavior norms, I imagine
it's rare to see bad behavior in the lineup. Here in Europe many surfers are not connected to
the past for upbringing and norms, many first generation surfers. The right of way here is usually
taken by the surfer paddling out and I regularly get yelled at as I don't straighten out but surf around them.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
11 Feb 2013 9:31PM
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great stuff , its not just suppers , you see almost every one going hard for the shoulder.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
11 Feb 2013 9:34PM
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the shoulder is your friend

i'll just punch myself now

Basecurve
WA, 196 posts
11 Feb 2013 10:24PM
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Inspiring Phil
The girl is a rockstar leading from the front.
Great lesson for all

tikipurple
SA, 132 posts
12 Feb 2013 8:12AM
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I have surfed Longboards for 24 years. I have never paddled out throught the whitewater, and I dont do it on my SUP. Why paddle out through whitewater, and get smashed, when you can stick to the out side of the break and paddle AROUND the break, over the soft shoulder through clearwater? Leaving the surfers to have an obstacle free ride, without having folk drop-in, shoulder-hop, or paddle in front of the rider. Seriously,do you drive down a one way street the opposite direction , then expect the cars doing the right thing to get out of your way? No. Same with surfing and supping. YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN safty, not anyone else.!!!

mmhard
NSW, 72 posts
12 Feb 2013 9:02AM
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I would say great if you are as competent as Kristi but dont try it if you are not as you will cause carnage for whoever else is behind you paddling out(and prob cop the next 3 waves on the head).

Zeusman
QLD, 1363 posts
12 Feb 2013 8:25AM
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purplebeanie said...
I have surfed Longboards for 24 years. I have never paddled out throught the whitewater, and I dont do it on my SUP. Why paddle out through whitewater, and get smashed, when you can stick to the out side of the break and paddle AROUND the break, over the soft shoulder through clearwater? Leaving the surfers to have an obstacle free ride, without having folk drop-in, shoulder-hop, or paddle in front of the rider. Seriously,do you drive down a one way street the opposite direction , then expect the cars doing the right thing to get out of your way? No. Same with surfing and supping. YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN safty, not anyone else.!!!


I agree with Beanie. Paddle out in the channel, wide of the break. If you wipeout & find yourself in the middle of the break paddling out again then yes, do stay inside. If you're not competent to paddle over white water, then I believe you should catch the whitewash in then paddle out through the channel again. I surf at the busiest beach in OZ & people paddle straight through the break all te time. It's incredibly frustrating for the surfer on the wave & selfish on the part of the person paddling out!

E T
QLD, 2286 posts
12 Feb 2013 11:44AM
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Dear Purplebeanie and Zuessman. I am in full agreement with you that a paddle out around the break is a lot easier. In fact in my opinion it is the only way to go. However, this is not always possible. It can be safer, but it can also be frustrating for the surfer riding the waves if you are paddling too close to the breaking part of the wave. Unfortunately with the ability for Novices to Surf a SUP they are doing so with little or no knowledge of surf skills or etiquette. The same applied to the Longboard resurgence in the 80's. You had people who had not surfed for years or never surfed having a go because it was easier than surfing a shortboard.
The problem lies in the fact that novices get frightened of white water and take the easy option to padddle to the shoulder. This is fine but too often they impede the surfer on the wave. We all need to be a bit tolerant or try and find less crowded options.
Purplebeanie, I do have issue with your statement that"you are not responsible for other peoples safety". This is not so in my opinion. Safety of all water users is a shared responsibility. This is why these forums stress that SUPpers wear a legrope, learn to surf away from others etc etc.
Watch out for yourself but also watch out for others.
ET.

tikipurple
SA, 132 posts
12 Feb 2013 12:45PM
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E T said...
Dear Purplebeanie and Zuessman. I am in full agreement with you that a paddle out around the break is a lot easier. In fact in my opinion it is the only way to go. However, this is not always possible. It can be safer, but it can also be frustrating for the surfer riding the waves if you are paddling too close to the breaking part of the wave. Unfortunately with the ability for Novices to Surf a SUP they are doing so with little or no knowledge of surf skills or etiquette. The same applied to the Longboard resurgence in the 80's. You had people who had not surfed for years or never surfed having a go because it was easier than surfing a shortboard.
The problem lies in the fact that novices get frightened of white water and take the easy option to padddle to the shoulder. This is fine but too often they impede the surfer on the wave. We all need to be a bit tolerant or try and find less crowded options.
Purplebeanie, I do have issue with your statement that"you are not responsible for other peoples safety". This is not so in my opinion. Safety of all water users is a shared responsibility. This is why these forums stress that SUPpers wear a legrope, learn to surf away from others etc etc.
Watch out for yourself but also watch out for others.
ET.

ET. I totaly agree with a lot of what you said. I have looked out for people while I surfed longboards and now SUPs. I have also witnessed a lot of PREVENTABLE mistakes by novices, and less experienced surfers/sup'rs. I think it all comes down to COMMON SENSE and EDUCATION. If you have NEVER surfed or Suped before, maybe you should invest in a few "Learn to surf" lessons before you hit the beach.Find out what the culture and ETTIQUETE is before you do anything. Dont paddle out to a break if you are not confident in your skills. You dont enter a Motocycle Grand Prix when you have just got your "L's" on a motorbike. ;)

Zeusman
QLD, 1363 posts
12 Feb 2013 3:17PM
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E T said...
Dear Purplebeanie and Zuessman. I am in full agreement with you that a paddle out around the break is a lot easier. In fact in my opinion it is the only way to go. However, this is not always possible. It can be safer, but it can also be frustrating for the surfer riding the waves if you are paddling too close to the breaking part of the wave.
ET.


ET. I didn't say its "a lot easier"I'm talking about paddling out through the channel, way wide & clear of the breaking wave, so that you're no where near a surfer riding a wave. & that if you happen to fall off, finding yourself in the impact zone where you will be in the way of a surfer & you aren't competent in paddling over white water, then you should prone surf in to shore on the whitewash where you should be able to move over to the channel again to begin a safe paddle back out to the lineup.

GizzieNZ
4102 posts
12 Feb 2013 3:32PM
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OG SUP said...

Often you see people paddling out and head straight to the open face ruining the ride of a surfer smashing it up on the way in. "Not Cool"

I smiled when I saw Kristi posting these images.





Phill


Wasn't really a quality wave so who cares who did what really......at makorori point in giz part of the fun is paddling over the unbroken wave of the shoulder & admiring the buzz of fellow surfers rather than burying one's head in a bucket of mush

tikipurple
SA, 132 posts
12 Feb 2013 6:35PM
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GizzieNZ said...
OG SUP said...

Often you see people paddling out and head straight to the open face ruining the ride of a surfer smashing it up on the way in. "Not Cool"

I smiled when I saw Kristi posting these images.





Phill


Wasn't really a quality wave so who cares who did what really......at makorori point in giz part of the fun is paddling over the unbroken wave of the shoulder & admiring the buzz of fellow surfers rather than burying one's head in a bucket of mush

Hey Giz. You were out of the way on the shoulder weren't you?? Thats the point. You are in the chanel, on the smooth shoulder, out of the way of the on-coming surfers, watching them surf a wave without anyone dropping in on them, or paddling out in front of them in the whitewater. Bliss!

Zeusman
QLD, 1363 posts
12 Feb 2013 6:23PM
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purplebeanie said...
GizzieNZ said...
OG SUP said...

Often you see people paddling out and head straight to the open face ruining the ride of a surfer smashing it up on the way in. "Not Cool"

I smiled when I saw Kristi posting these images.





Phill


Wasn't really a quality wave so who cares who did what really......at makorori point in giz part of the fun is paddling over the unbroken wave of the shoulder & admiring the buzz of fellow surfers rather than burying one's head in a bucket of mush

Hey Giz. You were out of the way on the shoulder weren't you?? Thats the point. You are in the chanel, on the smooth shoulder, out of the way of the on-coming surfers, watching them surf a wave without anyone dropping in on them, or paddling out in front of them in the whitewater. Bliss!



Precisely!

Cam Gillies
SA, 216 posts
12 Feb 2013 7:27PM
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mmhard said...
I would say great if you are as competent as Kristi but dont try it if you are not as you will cause carnage for whoever else is behind you paddling out(and prob cop the next 3 waves on the head).


Except she aint making over that wave, looks like there's some one behind her!!!
Don't know why I'm even posting, I don't actually care...

Sparx
VIC, 734 posts
12 Feb 2013 8:41PM
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At risk of adding fuel to the fire...
I am going to assume that the pic was taken at onshore O'Grove? No deep channel and easy paddle out there. Its a close out that reforms and then closes out and then reforms and then closes out, and that's only at high tide. At low tide it just closes out!! So what do you do when there is no clearly defined channel and you are chasing peaky close outs over two or three hundred meters of beach? Exactly what Kristi has done! You stay out of the way of the bloke who has arsed the one peeler to come through in the last half hour and you take it on. As for the proximity of the bloke on the inside... My guess is that Phil is shooting from on top of the embankment up near the car park. Chrome dome is probably a good twenty to thirty meters closer to Phil than Kristi...seriously, check the size of his melon! Like I said, if that's Grove the lucky bloke on the mal has just scored a shoulder off the end of a two hundred meter closeout, every body is duck diving. Also going to guess that Kristi didn't make the foam climb, probably kicked her board over the back and if so, well done, don't think anyone with half a clue would have done it different.
Cheers
Sparx

tikipurple
SA, 132 posts
12 Feb 2013 8:23PM
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Sparx said...
At risk of adding fuel to the fire...
I am going to assume that the pic was taken at onshore O'Grove? No deep channel and easy paddle out there. Its a close out that reforms and then closes out and then reforms and then closes out, and that's only at high tide. At low tide it just closes out!! So what do you do when there is no clearly defined channel and you are chasing peaky close outs over two or three hundred meters of beach? Exactly what Kristi has done! You stay out of the way of the bloke who has arsed the one peeler to come through in the last half hour and you take it on. As for the proximity of the bloke on the inside... My guess is that Phil is shooting from on top of the embankment up near the car park. Chrome dome is probably a good twenty to thirty meters closer to Phil than Kristi...seriously, check the size of his melon! Like I said, if that's Grove the lucky bloke on the mal has just scored a shoulder off the end of a two hundred meter closeout, every body is duck diving. Also going to guess that Kristi didn't make the foam climb, probably kicked her board over the back and if so, well done, don't think anyone with half a clue would have done it different.
Cheers
Sparx

Sparx. I am NOT having a go at Kristi. She IS doing the right thing. In SA the waves I ride have been described as "mechanical". Very predictable where they are going to break, very easy to paddle around white water. The issue is that people who have just bought a sup, and never surfed or suped before, are going out into the surf with NO knowledge and getting in the way. Like I said before COMMON SENSE and EDUCATION. Don't surf OR sup beyond your skills.

Sparx
VIC, 734 posts
12 Feb 2013 8:56PM
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purplebeanie said...
Sparx said...
At risk of adding fuel to the fire...
I am going to assume that the pic was taken at onshore O'Grove? No deep channel and easy paddle out there. Its a close out that reforms and then closes out and then reforms and then closes out, and that's only at high tide. At low tide it just closes out!! So what do you do when there is no clearly defined channel and you are chasing peaky close outs over two or three hundred meters of beach? Exactly what Kristi has done! You stay out of the way of the bloke who has arsed the one peeler to come through in the last half hour and you take it on. As for the proximity of the bloke on the inside... My guess is that Phil is shooting from on top of the embankment up near the car park. Chrome dome is probably a good twenty to thirty meters closer to Phil than Kristi...seriously, check the size of his melon! Like I said, if that's Grove the lucky bloke on the mal has just scored a shoulder off the end of a two hundred meter closeout, every body is duck diving. Also going to guess that Kristi didn't make the foam climb, probably kicked her board over the back and if so, well done, don't think anyone with half a clue would have done it different.
Cheers
Sparx

Sparx. I am NOT having a go at Kristi. She IS doing the right thing. In SA the waves I ride have been described as "mechanical". Very predictable where they are going to break, very easy to paddle around white water. The issue is that people who have just bought a sup, and never surfed or suped before, are going out into the surf with NO knowledge and getting in the way. Like I said before COMMON SENSE and EDUCATION. Don't surf OR sup beyond your skills.



Couldn't agree more, and not having a crack....just trying to fill in the gaps.
Cheers
Sparx

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
12 Feb 2013 9:17PM
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Sparx said...
At risk of adding fuel to the fire...
I am going to assume that the pic was taken at onshore O'Grove? No deep channel and easy paddle out there. Its a close out that reforms and then closes out and then reforms and then closes out, and that's only at high tide. At low tide it just closes out!! So what do you do when there is no clearly defined channel and you are chasing peaky close outs over two or three hundred meters of beach? Exactly what Kristi has done! You stay out of the way of the bloke who has arsed the one peeler to come through in the last half hour and you take it on. As for the proximity of the bloke on the inside... My guess is that Phil is shooting from on top of the embankment up near the car park. Chrome dome is probably a good twenty to thirty meters closer to Phil than Kristi...seriously, check the size of his melon! Like I said, if that's Grove the lucky bloke on the mal has just scored a shoulder off the end of a two hundred meter closeout, every body is duck diving. Also going to guess that Kristi didn't make the foam climb, probably kicked her board over the back and if so, well done, don't think anyone with half a clue would have done it different.
Cheers
Sparx


Actually Mr Sparks you were pretty close all round it was closing out Torquay Point on Sunday with 20+kn onshore and peaky waves and little channel. I was shooting from up high near the Surf Club good guess. The guy in the foreground was yards away from Kristi with a telephoto it compresses the distance he was in no danger. Kristi got to the top and then it kinda pitched her of backwards but it was a brave attempt. If there is a channel sure use it, if your at OG good luck finding a channel. You would be amazed how much white water you can get over if you go at it hard pull up and over and use the paddle to brace.

Great to see the differing opinions

boardbumps
NSW, 698 posts
15 Feb 2013 10:51AM
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I was over in the Kitesurf forum and thought I'd have a quick look here.
This subject is one of my pet rants.
It happens at my spot all the time.
Not having a go at Kristi.

Just about everyone in Aus paddles up through the centre of the peak/break. The shorties do it cause they can duck dive thru the wave. They still get in the way of sets.

The LB do it cause they think they can paddle fast enough to get out the back before a set.

The reason is because it is a shorter paddle and I might snake a wave on the way out.

NO RESPECT

Everyone just paddle wide around the peak/break, take the long scenic route.

Imagine what would happen if you paddled out thru the centre of the peak at Pipeline.

If the wave didn't smash you the Black Shorts would.

The first rule you learn when riding a SUP is that whitewater is your enemy.

I don't know how many times I have been caught cutting the corner at my spot. The corner is a finger of reef out the back and wide of the main peak.

I now just paddle around it and still get plenty of waves.

Off to work

supmego
VIC, 130 posts
15 Feb 2013 11:40AM
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I think the point is Kristi didnt go for the shoulder to get out, which she probably could have and spoilt the wave but she went inside through the whitewater and let him go without trying to avoid another surfer and ruining his ride.

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
15 Feb 2013 11:46PM
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Lets get fair dinkum!!! The guy on the longboard should have been where Kristi is, setting up for a bottom turn, therefore allowing her an easy paddle over an extremely flat shoulder section of wave. Kristi did the right thing after the kook on the longboard did what most people do at Torquay point do after smoking Bells Beach sand. There's a difference between going for it down the line at Winki and staying in the rolling froth ball known as Torquay point. Have I missed the point? Kristi is an all round water woman, unfortunately most people out in the surf now (especially during summer) think that surf ettiquette can be purchased at Ripcurl Surf supermarket. It could be worse though, we could live on the Gold Coast. If you want a good laugh, watch the Snapper Rocks surf Cam someday, its funnier than Blackadder and then thank your lucky stars.

surfinJ
673 posts
15 Feb 2013 11:39PM
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Kristi is doing the right thing, thought it was more common down under.
Guess I was wrong to think that in a country with a more established
surf culture the lineup would be more organized. It's the same all over to some degree,
f#!k the other guy, I'm first.

GizzieNZ
4102 posts
16 Feb 2013 1:42PM
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purplebeanie said...
GizzieNZ said...
OG SUP said...

Often you see people paddling out and head straight to the open face ruining the ride of a surfer smashing it up on the way in. "Not Cool"

I smiled when I saw Kristi posting these images.





Phill


Wasn't really a quality wave so who cares who did what really......at makorori point in giz part of the fun is paddling over the unbroken wave of the shoulder & admiring the buzz of fellow surfers rather than burying one's head in a bucket of mush

Hey Giz. You were out of the way on the shoulder weren't you?? Thats the point. You are in the chanel, on the smooth shoulder, out of the way of the on-coming surfers, watching them surf a wave without anyone dropping in on them, or paddling out in front of them in the whitewater. Bliss!



True...the "shoulder" at makororori point can be 100 or 200 feet long



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