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Flatwater SUP speed record

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Created by Slappysan > 9 months ago, 9 Sep 2012
Slappysan
22 posts
9 Sep 2012 5:42PM
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What's the current SUP flatwater 1000m speed record?

I've read people going about 9.0 mph but that's only about 4:08 for 1000m.

Meanwhile the canoe and kayak records are:
Kayak: 3:22
Canoe: 3:46

I would have expected an 18' race SUP to beat a canoe at least. Perhaps it's just who's paddling.

chrispychru
QLD, 7932 posts
9 Sep 2012 7:44PM
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...is it a bird? is it a plane? no its sup'erman

hilly
WA, 7473 posts
9 Sep 2012 5:48PM
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Slappysan said...



I would have expected an 18' race SUP to beat a canoe at least. Perhaps it's just who's paddling.


Wrong C1 would heaps faster way narrower and been around for ages. Some bloody big units at the olympics

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
9 Sep 2012 8:45PM
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Slappysan said...

What's the current SUP flatwater 1000m speed record?

I've read people going about 9.0 mph but that's only about 4:08 for 1000m.

Meanwhile the canoe and kayak records are:
Kayak: 3:22
Canoe: 3:46

I would have expected an 18' race SUP to beat a canoe at least. Perhaps it's just who's paddling.


a big guy on a big board i reckon could do better maybe. however over longer distances 14 to 15' ish seems to be the optimal lenght. sure a longer board would go faster, but effort required to do so a massive ask.

surf4fun
WA, 1313 posts
9 Sep 2012 9:38PM
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I would be looking to Jim Terrell and the Silverblade Regatta for the best idea.

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
10 Sep 2012 12:11AM
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How do you account for the influence of current and wind in a flat water 1000m speed record?

PeterP
858 posts
9 Sep 2012 10:38PM
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Wind, current and waterdepth will all affect result.

Jim Terrel won the 200m in 53.76 seconds, which is 13.39 km/hour or 8.32 miles/hour at the Silverblade Regatta. Looking at the video it looked like they had some tailwind - not sure though. That is the fastest non-downwind sprint time I've seen recorded.

We'll be having our first 200m Sprint event in two weeks time, the venue is relatively wind protected, has no current but is a little shallow (1.8m) so I doubt anyone will get under 60secs (ca 12km/h) - but lets see, the guys are amped!

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
10 Sep 2012 7:11PM
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Bring on the sprint races , I like the sound of that 200M I rekon would attract even more punters. Couple of good spots on the Goldie to hold a sprint regatta , a good course at Varsity and a longer one up at Coomera/OXENFORD. possibly attract more kids too.

tha dogman
NSW, 2912 posts
10 Sep 2012 7:18PM
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teatrea said...

Bring on the sprint races , I like the sound of that 200M


i second that motion



hilly
WA, 7473 posts
10 Sep 2012 5:22PM
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PeterP said...

Wind, current and waterdepth will all affect result.

Jim Terrel won the 200m in 53.76 seconds, which is 13.39 km/hour or 8.32 miles/hour at the Silverblade Regatta. Looking at the video it looked like they had some tailwind - not sure though. That is the fastest non-downwind sprint time I've seen recorded.



So is that 4.48 not real fast compared to Kayak: 3:22 Canoe: 3:46

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
10 Sep 2012 7:27PM
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PeterP said...

Wind, current and waterdepth will all affect result.

Jim Terrel won the 200m in 53.76 seconds, which is 13.39 km/hour or 8.32 miles/hour at the Silverblade Regatta. Looking at the video it looked like they had some tailwind - not sure though. That is the fastest non-downwind sprint time I've seen recorded.

We'll be having our first 200m Sprint event in two weeks time, the venue is relatively wind protected, has no current but is a little shallow (1.8m) so I doubt anyone will get under 60secs (ca 12km/h) - but lets see, the guys are amped!


Sounds good Peter, what board categories are you going with on race day?

chrisparker
234 posts
10 Sep 2012 7:49PM
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Jim Terrell's a good paddler to follow for flat water sprints. He was in 4x Olympics for C1 and now he's testing out a lot of stuff with SUP race boards. Check out his thoughts on SUP sprints (including video):

www.supracer.com/jim-terrells-sprint-sup-racing-secrets/

Here's a quick comparison of times.

SUP: 13.39km/h
200m (Jim Terrell, 2012 Silver Blade Regatta)
53.76 seconds

C1: 17.03km/h
200m (2012 Olympic Gold Medalist)
42.29 seconds

K1: 19.86km/h
200m (2012 Olympic Gold Medalist)
36.25 seconds

Specs
K1 length: 520cm
min weight: 12kg

C1 length: 520cm
min weight: 16kg

SUP length: 381cm/427cm (12'6/14'... sprints are usually 14')
weight: usually between 9-15kg

Speed differences

C1: 27% faster than SUP
K1: 48% faster than SUP

Keep in mind C1/K1 boats are longer, plus their times come from the Olympics, where the very best are competing. We've never had a flat water sprint with all the top guys (...though Jim Terrell would be pretty hard to beat no matter who was there).

latman
QLD, 177 posts
10 Sep 2012 10:47PM
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I agree with lots of this but the width/drag is more significant than the craft weight IMO , most elite paddlers are high 80s to low 90kg range and their weight is vastly more than their craft.

dtm
NSW, 1610 posts
10 Sep 2012 11:23PM
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i recon i got a pretty quick 50m then im r00ted!!

PeterP
858 posts
10 Sep 2012 9:27PM
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Sounds good Peter, what board categories are you going with on race day?


Anything goes - its a test event and we've invited everyone to bring whatever they have. No entry fee and winner gets bragging rights and Un-Official SA 200m Sprint record! Whats encouraging is that some of the old boys who slipped out of racing when distances got longer and longer are showing an interest to test themselves again!

Personally I hope the MC 14 Javelin arrives in time, I've done 1.06 on the old 17 Javelin (probably weighs 16-17kg) and I'm not convinced I'll be that much faster on the MC.

From having done tons of TT's the weather on the day has a lot to do with the times we'll achieve. The other day I did 6 back to back with virtually same effort and was 10secs apart from slowest to fastest.....last one was the fastest...

We really have no clue to be honest.

PeterP
858 posts
22 Sep 2012 10:33PM
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We have a South African SUP 200m sprint champ - Colin Heckroodt (Coreban) took the win in our first 200m sprint event - results below.









PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
23 Sep 2012 12:53AM
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Nice work Peter. Which Coreban was the winner riding?

surf4fun
WA, 1313 posts
22 Sep 2012 11:13PM
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SUP WA will be running a 200m flat water sprint championships on a rowing course in November so will be good to compare times. This will be on what ever board you show up with.

Following on from that the top 8 will qualify for the Battle of the Paddler. 4 x production 12'6s and 4 x production 14s, all exactly the same. Two heats in each and one final. Idea is to find the best paddler and eliminate the board factor and will be over 500m.

PeterP
858 posts
22 Sep 2012 11:33PM
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Colin was on the Coreban 14' Turbo - but he also used a 14 Fanatic Fly and Starboard 25" Ace Pro - he did 5 runs which were 3 secs apart and I can't remember which one he was fastest on - I think it was the Fanatic. He used his Turbo in the final and set a 1.08.

Familiarity with board is quite important, and we don't really know enough about how all this sprinting works but I think that engine is 95% combined with technique as having a quick start and drawing a straight line improves times dramatically.

The guys had quite a gusty headwind hitting 15knots in some places.

The canal is also not quite deep enough to avoid drag - but now we have a marker time and can see how we go about improving it....

Summer winds come from the other direction so that could be a good start....

PeterP
858 posts
22 Sep 2012 11:37PM
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and check out the guy in 14th position - he is 8yo and already doing 7.5km/h on a 12'6 - imagine what he'll do when he turns 9yo!!!

JB Mel
QLD, 297 posts
23 Sep 2012 1:15PM
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Makai Paddlers (Mollymook) ran a fantastic paddle race event last month at Burrill Lake. The event was called Lake Lunacy & had 100m sprints held at night under lights. The sprint finals were based on times but they didn't post the sprint times on the website just the short (5km) and long course (10km) times. The sprint format was heats of 5 paddlers all paddling the same model vessel (ie a 'one design' event). First up were the skis (all on 'Epic v8's) then went the SUPs (all on Hobie 12'6") then the Outriggers with men's and women's divisions in all categories. The lane makers were milk bottles with glow sticks in them! It was great fun for both competitors and spectators! (Although very very cold! it was August with a howling westerly blowing)

IMO it would be great for the sport if there was more of this kind of stuff.




ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
23 Sep 2012 6:12PM
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JB Mel said...



IMO it would be great for the sport if there was more of this kind of stuff.






I second that, i was there it was FREEEZZZING but it was good sitting on the shore, the paddlers 30 mtrs out under lights, having a red cheering for the underdog..........



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