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Hull Ripper vid.

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Created by DavidJohn > 9 months ago, 27 Feb 2011
B Chambers
114 posts
7 Mar 2011 3:01PM
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Found some great pics on the web that should help those who want to lay down some critical turns on a sup board. These pictures give a clear idea where we need to be placing our back foot... In order to expand our performance surfing on sup boards, this is critical foot position for the big hack...

Mick Fanning. Here's a good basic visual... These are little 5-11 to 6-2 surfboards that are absolutely tiny in comparison to what we are riding. Just minimal in comparison to the huge volume we are dealing with. Even then, look at where their feet are. Right on the tail. You will NEVER snap with any kind of quickness on a sup board if your foot is not right on the tail...



Taj Burrow.



When you place a stomp pad on your sup board, put it all the way back. Approx 1" from the tail. Cut a hole for your leash plug if you have too. Coming off the bottom you won't need to have your foot that far back but in order to do a big turn off the top, especially in a steep section you have to place your foot all the way back so the arc of the turn is tight and quick. If it gets really steep it's easier to keep your nose clear on the way down too...

Last shot from the sequence in an earlier post... Foot all the way back and this turn felt really nice. Solid and in control. When you have speed, you can step all the way back and push hard...



The absolute minimum, basic first step to surfing at high levels is this tip right here. Hope this helps... By the time this thread goes away, everyone should be throwin buckets! Haha!




hilly
WA, 7323 posts
7 Mar 2011 7:52PM
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100% right there BC

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
8 Mar 2011 3:33PM
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DavidJohn said...


Actually where and why did you go down this path in design?
DJ


DJ, it evolved from the raceboard/DW program in 2010, out of which the 12'6 Hybrid was born.

This is how I saw it unfold....



This was one of the first prototypes of the Hull Hybrid. All the early boards were longer boards designed initially to be quick and stable for ocean racing and downwind. Of course if there were any waves around the boys would go surfing on these race boards.

Whammo! It was discovered that certain bottom shapes absolutely ripped it up in the waves. That was it. Race program - back burner. Surf program - priority one!



If you look closely you can see the water drops coming of the chine running down the rail. This was June last year.

Once they could smell the hint of a whole new level in both performance surfing and paddling, they switched their focus totally to developing the new shapes.

The new design is significant, so developing the concept through the whole range became the priority.

SO, to answer the burning question, the word is that we will see these longer Hull Hydrids roll out of production in Spring SPRING 2011!



DavidJohn
VIC, 17460 posts
8 Mar 2011 3:41PM
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I was thinking that AA.. That they discovered these flat water cruising boards really surf well.. .. who'd of thought..

DJ

Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
8 Mar 2011 5:00PM
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AA said...
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SO, to answer the burning question, the word is that we will see these longer Hull Hydrids roll out of production in Spring SPRING 2011!



Northern hemisphere Spring? ie. Now?

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
8 Mar 2011 5:07PM
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Gorgo said...

AA said...
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SO, to answer the burning question, the word is that we will see these longer Hull Hydrids roll out of production in Spring SPRING 2011!



Northern hemisphere Spring? ie. Now?


Sorry Gorgo, our Spring - Aug/Sept.

gotwaves
30 posts
4 Apr 2011 5:45PM
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Hey Blane, love the concept of the HR and by the looks of things you guys got it dialed in pretty good. I am very interested in getting a HR in about the 8-0 or less range.

What kind of volume does a 8-0 performance HR have? When can we expect those (performance) bamboo veneers in Hawaii?

bluesups
3 posts
13 Apr 2011 6:45AM
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B Chambers said...

Cool! You were already heading in the right direction for sure... Keep it going! Build it, surf it, build it, surf it, build it surf it... You'll find better rockers, bevel angles etc as you go... You'll also find the sweet width that you can stand on and how much you can take away off the bottom... There is nothing like the feel of hitting a turn in a steep section and the board doesn't dive or catch a rail... Go Lookie!

I'll post a pic of my current ride soon... It's pretty wild!


bluesups
3 posts
13 Apr 2011 6:54AM
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bluesups said...

B Chambers said...

Cool! You were already heading in the right direction for sure... Keep it going! Build it, surf it, build it, surf it, build it surf it... You'll find better rockers, bevel angles etc as you go... You'll also find the sweet width that you can stand on and how much you can take away off the bottom... There is nothing like the feel of hitting a turn in a steep section and the board doesn't dive or catch a rail... Go Lookie!

I'll post a pic of my current ride soon... It's pretty wild!





Nice Boards Blane. Check out Ben Aipa's Stinger from the mid 70's. He started the chimes in the boards and it is said to have been shared to him by a young Tunnel Boat Racer out at Sand Island during a race. Ben developed a new concept creating the chime, step bottom and stinger. The chimes work and create speed, quicker edge to edge and acceleration. I've been using it for 20 plus years and it's great to see you using it too. Good luck with your development.

Blue

bluesups
3 posts
13 Apr 2011 7:04AM
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AA said...

DavidJohn said...


Actually where and why did you go down this path in design?
DJ


DJ, it evolved from the raceboard/DW program in 2010, out of which the 12'6 Hybrid was born.

This is how I saw it unfold....



This was one of the first prototypes of the Hull Hybrid. All the early boards were longer boards designed initially to be quick and stable for ocean racing and downwind. Of course if there were any waves around the boys would go surfing on these race boards.

Whammo! It was discovered that certain bottom shapes absolutely ripped it up in the waves. That was it. Race program - back burner. Surf program - priority one!



If you look closely you can see the water drops coming of the chine running down the rail. This was June last year.

Once they could smell the hint of a whole new level in both performance surfing and paddling, they switched their focus totally to developing the new shapes.

The new design is significant, so developing the concept through the whole range became the priority.

SO, to answer the burning question, the word is that we will see these longer Hull Hydrids roll out of production in Spring SPRING 2011!






And all this time now for two years, I thought I had the perfect Hybrid Surf model. It works and any of the best surfers can get the best of both worlds. Neat thing is, you can paddle faster into the wave, very stable on late drops and they even nose ride well. They actually speed up even faster when on the nose due to it's displacement hull. Good to see it's taking off! Good Luck!


Blue

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
13 Apr 2011 10:43AM
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Back foot surfing, who would have thought!!.

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
13 Apr 2011 10:45AM
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Just got some more detailed pics - HULL Hybrid (All rounder) - nose entry!





Birchy
NSW, 56 posts
13 Apr 2011 11:25AM
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Hi AA, when are you expecting these hybrids in the shop?

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
13 Apr 2011 12:29PM
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Hey Birchy, after Easter....

sharpie
NSW, 347 posts
13 Apr 2011 2:22PM
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sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
13 Apr 2011 2:41PM
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sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


Geez Sharpie you're asking a bit much arent you?

Don't you know that SUP is a completely new form of craft in no way related to any surfboard that ever existed before. Further to that no shaper should ever remember or reference anything to do with surfboards when designing them. They are NEW!

If you have surfed before, forget that too. This is NEW, we NEED to forget everything! You will need to re-learn how to ride waves on your NEW wave riding device.

Of course I am joking but crikey I have been shot down so many times for saying that performance SUP boards are shaped with shortboard design elements or that when you ride them you approach things in a similar way.

AA
NSW, 2159 posts
13 Apr 2011 3:01PM
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sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


Hey Sharpie, Ha Ha, too late for that! The boys are breaking new ground and it is the confluence of racing SUP's with high performance surfing that has lead to this new development. Hull Rippers is here to stay!

It is a little bit like Blane's 'pixie' nose on the current Rippers, it wont please everyone, except those who take their first critical drop and go WOW!

sharpie
NSW, 347 posts
13 Apr 2011 3:14PM
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ok lads thanks for that, next time i get told to f off on my boat i still won't know what the f to say.

doggie
WA, 15849 posts
13 Apr 2011 1:32PM
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AA said...

sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


Hey Sharpie, Ha Ha, too late for that! The boys are breaking new ground and it is the confluence of racing SUP's with high performance surfing that has lead to this new development. Hull Rippers is here to stay!

It is a little bit like Blane's 'pixie' nose on the current Rippers, it wont please everyone, except those who take their first critical drop and go WOW!


Nose rocker is your friend in solid steep surf

HaleiwaBill
40 posts
13 Apr 2011 2:19PM
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gotwaves said...

Hey Blane, love the concept of the HR and by the looks of things you guys got it dialed in pretty good. I am very interested in getting a HR in about the 8-0 or less range.

What kind of volume does a 8-0 performance HR have? When can we expect those (performance) bamboo veneers in Hawaii?


The first shipment of Hull Rippers will be in Hawaii in the next few months. We dont have volumes yet, however, I expect they will be similar to our current boards in the progressive series. With the exception of a few that will be in the thicker (5 to 5 1/4) range

HaleiwaBill
40 posts
13 Apr 2011 2:25PM
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sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


LOL.......the first time I saw and paddled a hull Blane brought for me to try I told him "hulls are for BOATS, it will never work! Plus dont we get enough grief for being boat captains?"........how wrong I was about the performance and as for what other surfers think?......ah, FCK em! Bunch of narrow minded narcissistic A-holes anyway!

GizzieNZ
4102 posts
13 Apr 2011 3:56PM
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HaleiwaBill said...

sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


LOL.......the first time I saw and paddled a hull Blane brought for me to try I told him "hulls are for BOATS, it will never work! Plus dont we get enough grief for being boat captains?"........how wrong I was about the performance and as for what other surfers think?......ah, FCK em! Bunch of narrow minded narcissistic A-holes anyway!



Sounds like you are straying slightly into doggie & legion territory here.....always safer to stay in the "all surfers are happy surfers camp"

Piros
QLD, 6995 posts
13 Apr 2011 8:11PM
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I'm over there in mid June Bill and really looking forward to trying one of these , can you give an insight on the development on the short board Hull rippers ?

hilly
WA, 7323 posts
13 Apr 2011 7:32PM
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AA said...

Just got some more detailed pics - HULL Hybrid (All rounder) - nose entry!




Rails look nice and thin

jlv
41 posts
14 Apr 2011 12:18AM
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it seems that the hull ripper will be

-8'9” x 30 1/8” x 5 1/4”
8-9 Hull RipperRed

-9'1” x 28 7/8” x 4 1/4”
9-1 Hull Ripper

-9'2” x 30 3/4” x 4 1/4”
9-2 Hull Ripper

-9'6” x 28 7/8” x 4 1/4”
9-6 Hull Ripper

-9'6” x 30 1/2” x 4 3/8”
9-6 Hull Ripper

-9'11” x 31” x 4 1/4”
9-11 Hull Ripper

HaleiwaBill
40 posts
14 Apr 2011 3:52AM
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GizzieNZ said...

HaleiwaBill said...

sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


LOL.......the first time I saw and paddled a hull Blane brought for me to try I told him "hulls are for BOATS, it will never work! Plus dont we get enough grief for being boat captains?"........how wrong I was about the performance and as for what other surfers think?......ah, FCK em! Bunch of narrow minded narcissistic A-holes anyway!



Sounds like you are straying slightly into doggie & legion territory here.....always safer to stay in the "all surfers are happy surfers camp"


Just my (occasional) sick sense of humor [}:)] I hope no one took offense!

HaleiwaBill
40 posts
14 Apr 2011 4:01AM
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Piros said...

I'm over there in mid June Bill and really looking forward to trying one of these , can you give an insight on the development on the short board Hull rippers ?



I look forward to meeting you Rob!....and dont forget the BBQ at our place. As for the hull Ripper "development" what aspect are inquiring about? Sizes, availability, performance, etc? Sorry I am bit slow this morning....lol

Piros
QLD, 6995 posts
14 Apr 2011 8:11AM
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-8'9” x 30 1/8” x 5 1/4”
8-9 Hull RipperRed

These guys and are there any smaller ? how small has Blane taken them down to ?

Definetly looking forward to catching up and visiting your farm.

sharpie
NSW, 347 posts
14 Apr 2011 8:22AM
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HaleiwaBill said...

sharpie said...

sorry guys, just had to ask, can we please stop the HULL thing as i am already copping way to much flack for riding a BOAT. These are surfboards arn't they?


LOL.......the first time I saw and paddled a hull Blane brought for me to try I told him "hulls are for BOATS, it will never work! Plus dont we get enough grief for being boat captains?"........how wrong I was about the performance and as for what other surfers think?......ah, FCK em! Bunch of narrow minded narcissistic A-holes anyway!



sharpie
NSW, 347 posts
14 Apr 2011 8:29AM
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thanks bill guess i'm over it (the hull thing) already glad you got a laugh.but seriously would love to try one of these weapons they do look good.had a nice wave today before work so i'm happy today and well try to stay that way,still a newbie here so always learning.



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