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Created by teatrea > 9 months ago, 18 Apr 2012
teatrea

teatrea

QLD, 4177 posts
18 Apr 2012 7:26PM
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5,9 Looks like it goes pretty good though!





boofy

boofy

NSW, 2110 posts
18 Apr 2012 7:33PM
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Looks like fun but you would wanna be sitting right in the take off sweet spot cause I reckon any frantic paddle would result in lots of 360,s bet the rails cop a hiding

AmundAqua

AmundAqua

QLD, 54 posts
18 Apr 2012 7:37PM
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You want short, watch this all the way through......

boofy

boofy

NSW, 2110 posts
18 Apr 2012 7:38PM
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Heres a Vid Teatrea I think I want one

hilly

hilly

WA, 7323 posts
18 Apr 2012 6:16PM
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Matched with a power glide paddle perfect combo

Yes too short for real waves

But they look like they are having fun so good on um

colas

colas

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19 Apr 2012 3:50AM
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boofy said...

Looks like fun but you would wanna be sitting right in the take off sweet spot cause I reckon any frantic paddle would result in lots of 360,s bet the rails cop a hiding


Actually, you realize that you have been paddling too much up to now with traditional SUPs. With these boards, you just wait for the wave (or paddle to get in position rather than paddle to get momentum), and you take off in one paddle stroke, as you give the impulse to take off via upper body movement and the same "pop" as with prone shortboards... but you still take off much earlier than prone surfboards because of the SUP volume and the greater leverage of the upper body.

Basically, you now ride the same length as your surfboard. You use a 6'8" board where you would be using a 6'8" prone board. Pushing through whitewater needs more commitment, but you have less pushback. What you get from these boards is not only "turnability", but incredible SPEED (less wetted surface, and no need to stall to avoid catching the nose in turns).

Some more pics on a 101l 6'4" by a 85kg guy:

www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/pics/mika-on-angel/



the 5'9" again, on the rocks:
www.gongsup.com/Mikapulco.html?lang=fr


a 6'6" for bigger days:
www.gongsup.com/Mika-Fatal-Round.html?lang=fr


But these boards allow fun sessions on waves where a longer SUP would be boring (not enough room to move): me on my 6'8" on crappy waves


And a video in Corsica, driven by the shaper, with a 8'5" (black), 7'4" (bamboo) 6'11" (red)
www.gongsup.com/Inbear.html?lang=fr

Once again, ShortSUP is not "better" than LongSUP, it is just different, just like shortboarding and longboarding are both fun, but different.

JBFletch

JBFletch

QLD, 1287 posts
19 Apr 2012 9:58AM
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boofy said...

Heres a Vid Teatrea I think I want one



looks good, but does it really surf any more radically then a normal 7"10-8"5 surf SUP???
It looks very similar on a wave but with far less paddle-ability.

Thats just my observations....

boofy

boofy

NSW, 2110 posts
19 Apr 2012 10:14AM
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Does it surf more radically I think totally depends whos riding it Fletch, I have a 9,11 PSH hull ripper that I am sure any number of blokes can get on and make it look more radical than I can.
I like the portability of this little SUP it would be good to take on planes, in foot deep 4 foot beachies its just another avenue to explore

Maroubra SUP

Maroubra SUP

NSW, 148 posts
19 Apr 2012 6:53PM
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Good onya for pushing the design boundaries. I love those bottom turns. Good points Colas about the takeoff technique. And the portabilty factor is important.

doggie

doggie

WA, 15849 posts
19 Apr 2012 5:19PM
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boofy said...

Does it surf more radically I think totally depends whos riding it Fletch, I have a 9,11 PSH hull ripper that I am sure any number of blokes can get on and make it look more radical than I can.
I like the portability of this little SUP it would be good to take on planes, in foot deep 4 foot beachies its just another avenue to explore


Arte you going to get one for your dog?

gregc

gregc

VIC, 1298 posts
19 Apr 2012 8:15PM
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i can't believe the bloke in the first video is not wearing a leggy.

boofy

boofy

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19 Apr 2012 9:34PM
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doggie said...

boofy said...

Does it surf more radically I think totally depends whos riding it Fletch, I have a 9,11 PSH hull ripper that I am sure any number of blokes can get on and make it look more radical than I can.
I like the portability of this little SUP it would be good to take on planes, in foot deep 4 foot beachies its just another avenue to explore


Arte you going to get one for your dog?

She rides a shortboard

shunter

shunter

WA, 441 posts
19 Apr 2012 7:50PM
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Nice boards gong, looks like loads of fun.

I have recently built a 5'10" by 23" by 3 thick mini simmons for lay down surfing and have been having a blast on it in small waves especially as I am 6'2" and ~115kgs.... Didnt think I could surf sub 6 foot.

Its got me wondering if I could scale it up to a sup size some thing along the lines of 7' by 33 mid by 5 thick with a 16" tail (right at the back). flat rocker round hull entry nose rolled rails up front, single to double concave bottom and a S deck.

here are a couple of pictures of the 5'10 mini. Have you tried a mini simmons shape?













hilly

hilly

WA, 7323 posts
19 Apr 2012 8:34PM
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Noice Camprite

Sitting in mine now

I like the board will have to have a paddle.

Bnaccas

Bnaccas

VIC, 1722 posts
20 Apr 2012 12:58AM
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The best surfing in this thread was the guy on the skimboard!
Thats some real talent!

colas

colas

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20 Apr 2012 2:54AM
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looks good, but does it really surf any more radically then a normal 7"10-8"5 surf SUP???


What you gain on small or hollow waves is being able to drive the turns by the front foot like a shortboard: on a 8' SUP, you need to lift the nose in the turn in order not to catch the wave face (if you have a wave face less than, say, 10 ft), but this way you kind of apply the brakes (stall). By using a SUP short enough to "fit" in the wave face, you can apply full front foot power during the turn and build insane speeds through turns. Once you experience this, looking at people doing "radical" turns on a 9' but losing their speed will make you cringe. Also, longer SUPs tend to bog down if you apply power in the front foot, by having too much wetted surface

This explains why shapers who have big wave faces (Hawaii) do not feel the need to go shorter: the wave face is big enough to have room to properly commit a 9' into the turns. But this morning I saw a friend using his new 7'2" and the progress in his surfing was unbeleivable: I never saw him with such speed and fluidity

And, moreover, the more compact shape means that the board feels "glued to your feet", an extension of your body, very pleasant in turns.

So, in my experience, it is not just "a 8' turns better than a 9', which turns bettter than a 10', ...". There is a threshold, which depends on the wave "usable" face size, where the board "fits" and you can keep power in turns by committing on your front foot, like on a shortboard.

colas

colas

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20 Apr 2012 3:04AM
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shunter, a minisimmons shape will definitely be a blast as a SUP. My favorite board is a 6'9" wombat that is kind of a mini simmons, but with a more pulled in tail:



Of course it is not the shape to perform tight turns, and take offs in chop will be tricky, but the glide is extra fun.

Gongs makes a 8' "Alaia SUP" www.gong-galaxy.com/magazine/pics/1-hour-4-boards/ that has a mini simmons outline, but with special rails that allows it to be ridden finless (take off is very technical however...), and people seem to have real fun on it for its glide (with fins)

shunter

shunter

WA, 441 posts
20 Apr 2012 9:50AM
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Thanks Colas,

I think you would be right about a longer straight railed simmons shaped SUP

The shorter minis work/turn well because they are short and the fins are right on the back corners.

Cheers

doggie

doggie

WA, 15849 posts
20 Apr 2012 9:52AM
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Now you can make two -




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