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JetSkis banned from the Alley

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Created by Tryfan > 9 months ago, 11 Dec 2010
greggyd
TAS, 183 posts
14 Dec 2010 12:51PM
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Oh yeah, one for the non bogan, consederate jet ski user. Mine is much quieter than pretty much any outboard boat, or any gardening machine. and also i think many people would be surprised how many of those gnarly, rad fully sick riptide, surfing life magazine air's and front page pics are actually flicked in by a jet ski.

again f*&K off and leave the crowded surf breaks alone for surfers alike though, so definately with most of you there.

beerssup
NSW, 513 posts
14 Dec 2010 9:48PM
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Tryfan said...






Ban isnt working to well two Bogans on jet skis buzzing the line up at the alley today, wankers never learn I guess.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
14 Dec 2010 9:58PM
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What size rego numbers are these vessels required to have?

maybe the numbers need to be 120mm high across the bow fairing cover.

for easier Identifacactions . and dobins with water camera .

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
14 Dec 2010 11:04PM
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So who exactly is going to enforce these new laws ? Possibly the same people that enforce the wearing of lifejackets in the small craft that cross the currumbin bar every day (yeah rite) and who possibly put more surfers/and themselves in danger than the jetskis out there. Dont get me wrong I hate the bloody things as much as any body out there but its kinda futile isn't it if nobody is going to police it and fine the law breakers.

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
15 Dec 2010 12:55AM
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If you are on a board of any type you are not a swimmer so the 60m rule does not apply , like it or lump it that's the rule.

Didn't want to post this so the D!ckheads didn't get wind of it BUT it's a fact , I own a ski and tow in but never go near surfers. 9 times out of 10 I paddle in on my SUP and have to deal with the jet ski wakes , the general tow crew are respectful it's the mugs on the stand up or pole skies and the newbies with sit down skies that are the terriost , dropping in on surfers or doing blind flips over waves.

Banning skies at certain points is not the answer , it comes back to education and respect , again it's up to the water police applying the laws already in place.

Once you are off your board you are a swimmer but if you have a leggie on you're not.

Rob

beerssup
NSW, 513 posts
15 Dec 2010 4:52PM
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3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:04PM
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Piros said...

If you are on a board of any type you are not a swimmer so the 60m rule does not apply , like it or lump it that's the rule.

Didn't want to post this so the D!ckheads didn't get wind of it BUT it's a fact , I own a ski and tow in but never go near surfers. 9 times out of 10 I paddle in on my SUP and have to deal with the jet ski wakes , the general tow crew are respectful it's the mugs on the stand up or pole skies and the newbies with sit down skies that are the terriost , dropping in on surfers or doing blind flips over waves.

Banning skies at certain points is not the answer , it comes back to education and respect , again it's up to the water police applying the laws already in place.

Once you are off your board you are a swimmer but if you have a leggie on you're not.

Rob


A couple of years ago I was hit by a boat crossing the bar at currumbin whilst riding a sup and transport qld maritime dudes crucified the boat driver and I was told by them that a surfer was a swimmer under their laws ??

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:16PM
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beerssup said...

3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.


What was it like out their today ,look good last night hopefully i can sneek out of the office and go for a arvo session.

Jet skis suck

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:22PM
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teatrea said...

beerssup said...

3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.


What was it like out their today ,look good last night hopefully i can sneek out of the office and go for a arvo session.

Jet skis suck


At 2pm it was about knee high through laceys and nice and clean. Only 2 of us out.

beerssup
NSW, 513 posts
15 Dec 2010 6:24PM
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teatrea said...

beerssup said...

3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.


What was it like out their today ,look good last night hopefully i can sneek out of the office and go for a arvo session.

Jet skis suck


You would have loved it yesterday and this morn some big bombs on that wide bank.could be a few this arvo but the swell is dropping good luck

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:43PM
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billboard said...

teatrea said...

beerssup said...

3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.


What was it like out their today ,look good last night hopefully i can sneek out of the office and go for a arvo session.

Jet skis suck


At 2pm it was about knee high through laceys and nice and clean. Only 2 of us out.



s### billboard, yesterday afternoon it was 3 ft and d bar like crowd with a hideous rip.
man, i'm not paddling a shortboard in a rip like that again
cheers

billboard
QLD, 2816 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:48PM
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laceys lane said...

billboard said...

teatrea said...

beerssup said...

3x jetski bogans out the alley today again this ban is working well.life gaurds should ring regos through to cops who could meet them at the boat ramp.


What was it like out their today ,look good last night hopefully i can sneek out of the office and go for a arvo session.

Jet skis suck


At 2pm it was about knee high through laceys and nice and clean. Only 2 of us out.



s### billboard, yesterday afternoon it was 3 ft and d bar like crowd with a hideous rip.
man, i'm not paddling a shortboard in a rip like that again
cheers



Yep - we surfed laceys early yesterday and paddled non-stop for over an hour - maybe I shoulda been on a board that used a paddle, woulda been sooo much easier. F.Y.I - finally got to have a crack on the baby ron - UNREAL !

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
15 Dec 2010 5:51PM
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**** 10 min to go and im outer here , should get a leat an hour in.

rustle
QLD, 279 posts
16 Dec 2010 12:29PM
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Piros said...

If you are on a board of any type you are not a swimmer so the 60m rule does not apply , like it or lump it that's the rule.

Didn't want to post this so the D!ckheads didn't get wind of it BUT it's a fact , I own a ski and tow in but never go near surfers. 9 times out of 10 I paddle in on my SUP and have to deal with the jet ski wakes , the general tow crew are respectful it's the mugs on the stand up or pole skies and the newbies with sit down skies that are the terriost , dropping in on surfers or doing blind flips over waves.

Banning skies at certain points is not the answer , it comes back to education and respect , again it's up to the water police applying the laws already in place.

Once you are off your board you are a swimmer but if you have a leggie on you're not.

Rob


I am not for BANS as they unreasonable take away the freedom of most who behave with common sense, in a socially acceptable way. Unfortunately it becomes necessary when people can't self regulate. The Alley is one example.I believe they should have held to the 60 - 200m rule rather than a ban.
The boats coming and going are pretty dangerous but they have a safe objective as they just want to traverse the entrance with least amount of risk. They are usually careful and respectful of all the little critters in the water.
This link shows the FACTS and does not correspond to the above quote.
As far as I can decifer the Jetskis can't operate closer than 200m when tow surfing and 60m when not. The Alley is now a no go Zone according the maps in the link.
http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/db656a8b-0f0c-4d2b-884b-c22652ed2978/tow_in_surfing_consultation_jan_10.pdf

rustle
QLD, 279 posts
16 Dec 2010 12:32PM
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Part of the document
http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/db656a8b-0f0c-4d2b-884b-c22652ed2978/tow_in_surfing_consultation_jan_10.pdf

Masters of personal watercraft have a legislated responsibility to ensure their vessels are not operate at a speed greater than six knots within 60 metres of a person in the water, a ship at anchor, moored or made fast to the shore or aground and a jetty, wharf, boat ramp, boundary of a bathing reserve or the shore.

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
16 Dec 2010 3:58PM
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rustle said...

Part of the document
http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/db656a8b-0f0c-4d2b-884b-c22652ed2978/tow_in_surfing_consultation_jan_10.pdf

Masters of personal watercraft have a legislated responsibility to ensure their vessels are not operate at a speed greater than six knots within 60 metres of a person in the water, a ship at anchor, moored or made fast to the shore or aground and a jetty, wharf, boat ramp, boundary of a bathing reserve or the shore.


That's correct but as I stated before we are not swimmers , surfboards , Sup , Kayak's and skies are ALL water craft. I have been to Harbours and Marine and discussed this detail. So no the 60m rule doesn't apply top SUP's , ridiculous I know but that's the law.

rustle
QLD, 279 posts
16 Dec 2010 7:45PM
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Yeah it is one of those technical issues.
By the sounds of it , and I haven't been to the maritime authority etc, it is forbidden to navigate a jetski at a speed greater than six knots within 60 metres of a person in the water, a ship at anchor, moored or made fast to the shore or aground and a jetty, wharf, boat ramp, boundary of a bathing reserve or the shore.
However if you put a legrope on you are less important than all the above .????

rustle
QLD, 279 posts
16 Dec 2010 8:04PM
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I always try to take into account that if you ask a loaded question you are more likely to get a desired answer from someone who maybe is partially informed but wants to appear like they know the facts. Not referring to you Piros but perhaps the people you chatted to. I may be wrong but I still can't see the logic and this all does not correspond to what I read.How can they not be allowed to go within 60m of the shore yet ok to go closer to a non powered water craft -sup etc. I often find that if it really doesn't make sense then there are other details which may be inaccurately interpreted.
Whatever, they are banned anyway..just interesting to try to understand.

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
16 Dec 2010 9:46PM
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Check out this photo shoot I did on our last decent swell.

It got so bad I called the cops out we were absolutely terrorised by a group of stand up jet skiers (not in the shots) we also battled the tow crew who generally kept their distance , when the water police finally came out , I hopped on their boat and had a good chat.The law only protects swimmers so we might as well be in a row boat there is no definition from us on a SUP we are still a craft , the cops understand this and they will intervine and tell the jet skiers to move away for saftey reasons but it's not the law.

A craft is a craft and a swimmer is a swimmer , don't get me wrong I hate the mutha f!ckers that destroy the session and I'm the first one to get in their face and generally they move on but this attitude ...you can't be here doesn't stick .... stand your ground and tell them to f!ck off and generally they do......




hilly
WA, 7323 posts
16 Dec 2010 10:23PM
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Piros your rules must be different ours clearly states 200m from all other water users. Even specifies paddle surfers lol.

I do tell them to **** off.

suphater
QLD, 4 posts
22 Dec 2010 8:40PM
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All you sup ers get a life or a ski

The point is...most of you who could get out there and surf on a four to six foot day at the alley would have a ski. The rest of you would be inside on the flat, crapping yourself !!!!!

If skis are your only problem what about the 200 or so boats that use the currumbin alley as the only means to get out fishing especially when the government hasn't dreged the bar so most boats have to come right through the line up where all the surfers are.

What the difference betwwen a 2.5 m jet ski and a 5.5m boat coming through the bar (You arn't trying to ban the boats)

Most of the tow surfers i know if they were towing on a decent size day would help the paddlers by giving them a lift back out to point.

We are all there for the waves and im sure whens it the surf gets big and the skis are out, you are all watching wishing that you have a jetski.

But is that any reason to try and ban the skis from the alley.


CMC watch out


laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
22 Dec 2010 8:48PM
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suphater said...

All you sup ers get a life or a ski

The point is...most of you who could get out there and surf on a four to six foot day at the alley would have a ski. The rest of you would be inside on the flat, crapping yourself !!!!!

If skis are your only problem what about the 200 or so boats that use the currumbin alley as the only means to get out fishing especially when the government hasn't dreged the bar so most boats have to come right through the line up where all the surfers are.

What the difference betwwen a 2.5 m jet ski and a 5.5m boat coming through the bar (You arn't trying to ban the boats)

Most of the tow surfers i know if they were towing on a decent size day would help the paddlers by giving them a lift back out to point.

We are all there for the waves and im sure whens it the surf gets big and the skis are out, you are all watching wishing that you have a jetski.

But is that any reason to try and ban the skis from the alley.


CMC watch out





i haven't seen to many fishing boats wave jumping, showing off with their girlfriends on the back or hooning through the lineup.

i'm sorry for the guys that do the right thing, but there are just way to many d#### on skis roaring around at hi-speed

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
22 Dec 2010 8:57PM
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suphater said...

All you sup ers get a life or a ski

The point is...most of you who could get out there and surf on a four to six foot day at the alley would have a ski. The rest of you would be inside on the flat, crapping yourself !!!!!

If skis are your only problem what about the 200 or so boats that use the currumbin alley as the only means to get out fishing especially when the government hasn't dreged the bar so most boats have to come right through the line up where all the surfers are.

What the difference betwwen a 2.5 m jet ski and a 5.5m boat coming through the bar (You arn't trying to ban the boats)

Most of the tow surfers i know if they were towing on a decent size day would help the paddlers by giving them a lift back out to point.

We are all there for the waves and im sure whens it the surf gets big and the skis are out, you are all watching wishing that you have a jetski.

But is that any reason to try and ban the skis from the alley.


CMC watch out





Hahahahah. You know I'll hold you to that next swell I'm puffing and panting in the sweep. Sounds like the drop offs to the top of the point are on you.....

Stoked!

suphater
QLD, 4 posts
22 Dec 2010 8:57PM
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So really what your saying is that water police are not doing their job properly and controlling hoons or whatever you want to call them.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:05PM
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suphater said...

So really what your saying is that water police are not doing their job properly and controlling hoons or whatever you want to call them.



You know it buddy.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:06PM
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some Sup'rs have sup'd the alley at 4-6 without a ski......do you really need a ski at 4-6???

I dont think guys here have a problem with the tow guys doing the right thing but more the bogans with cash........unfortuneatly like most thing in life the few spoil it for the many.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:14PM
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suphater said...

So really what your saying is that water police are not doing their job properly and controlling hoons or whatever you want to call them.



yeah, that would be about right.if it was patroled properly there would be no need for a ban. i haven't brought into this topic until now,but i 've had my share of near misses. the good crews are easy to spot- alert, do the right speed, stay well away from people and look like they know what they are doing. 'hoons' , bogan's or whatever look for an audience to do their 'stuff'

suphater
QLD, 4 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:22PM
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so is that really worth a ban for us guys who love too tow surf and for the other fella 6 foot plus is worth towing

suphater
QLD, 4 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:23PM
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CMC is scared

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
22 Dec 2010 9:28PM
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suphater said...

so is that really worth a ban for us guys who love too tow surf and for the other fella 6 foot plus is worth towing



In reality there's one day every decade that 6+ is even paddleable. As I said before it's when I'll grab a six pack and watch the guys with the dough and balls to take it on....

I'm not scared, I'm petrified!



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