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Phil....a different way to ride waves.....

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Created by LSD > 9 months ago, 21 Sep 2009
LSD
VIC, 763 posts
21 Sep 2009 5:00PM
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....the foils from a few years ago. Its surprising what would work, & it didnt take much effort to make it work.
It usualy took a "surfer" about 1/2 hour or so to get the foil dialed. The driver would make the job of learning easer by being aware of the best speed to tow.
At the time, due to a lack of waves over a few consecutive years we lost interest. But they can be used with kites. The kites at the time had very
little depower & were not as suitable as todays kites so I might make a new foil for the light grovel days, foils are so efficient, once up & riding on the foil very little power is needed.
They need an initial power spike to break the board clear of the water, then its like flying a very small aircraft, that your standing on, & it cant be bought too close to the surface or it will ventilate, imediately loosing lift, a stall you might say, & quick face plant generaly follows
Great toys for bommies once wired







OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
21 Sep 2009 7:10PM
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Hey Dean,

Looks like fun, I am up for it!

I was talking to a specialist about a brace to protect my ribs for when i get back into surfing for the first few months.

I intend to get back into flat water training in 2 weeks just paddling on the Barwon for excercise every day on the PSH12gun.

I spoke to Nesha and she is very keen to have a go a kiteboarding.

Thanks again for the tour of the Big Boys Shed.

Phill

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
21 Sep 2009 8:38PM
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hi guy's, dale does it and raves about. he's say's it like nothing else
cheers

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
21 Sep 2009 9:31PM
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Hey Lacey,

Dean (Yoda) makes the board the foil the lot he is very resourceful

Phill

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
21 Sep 2009 9:50PM
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OG SUP said...

Hey Lacey,

Dean (Yoda) makes the board the foil the lot he is very resourceful

Phill


i'm a very keen skier and from what dale hears about powder skiing he believes it would be the same weightless feeling with that rise and fall action

LSD
VIC, 763 posts
21 Sep 2009 11:16PM
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Hi Lacey,
Foilboarding on the tow differs from water skiing in a few ways, on skis its 2 dimensional, on a foil there is a third dimension, the vertical, that is most important to learn how to control.
That's why I say it's like flying a low flying an aircraft, you haven't got much altitude to play with.
That's what is important in making the shaft hight, to short you have little "altitude" to fly, & too long.....well, havent realy made a long shaft, I think you could imagine how hard you'd crash from a hight ! It's not just a fall.... the foil can hook into the water bringing you to a very sudden halt from the feet, & the rest of the body tends to want to keep going....gives the neck a bit of a stretch A human controlled foil is not something you want to use to break a speed record on. Although the sailing speed record has recently been broken on foils, check out "Hydrotere" now thats what I call a wild ride!!!!
To ride a foil requires finesse, good ballance, & a good tow driver that knows what speed to go, I think we used to pop out of the water at quite low speed, 10 or 15 k's? At slow speed you get more time to adjust the angle of attack to start & then maintain "flight"
I keep refering to flight because that is the main sensation I would feel, the guys in the zodiac would be getting bounced around in the chop, the foil feels none.
I havent done any powder skiing but yes, I think the sensation could be similar

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
21 Sep 2009 11:45PM
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LSD said...

Hi Lacey,
Foilboarding on the tow differs from water skiing in a few ways, on skis its 2 dimensional, on a foil there is a third dimension, the vertical, that is most important to learn how to control.
That's why I say it's like flying a low flying an aircraft, you haven't got much altitude to play with.
That's what is important in making the shaft hight, to short you have little "altitude" to fly, & too long.....well, havent realy made a long shaft, I think you could imagine how hard you'd crash from a hight ! It's not just a fall.... the foil can hook into the water bringing you to a very sudden halt from the feet, & the rest of the body tends to want to keep going....gives the neck a bit of a stretch A human controlled foil is not something you want to use to break a speed record on. Although the sailing speed record has recently been broken on foils, check out "Hydrotere" now thats what I call a wild ride!!!!
To ride a foil requires finesse, good ballance, & a good tow driver that knows what speed to go, I think we used to pop out of the water at quite low speed, 10 or 15 k's? At slow speed you get more time to adjust the angle of attack to start & then maintain "flight"
I keep refering to flight because that is the main sensation I would feel, the guys in the zodiac would be getting bounced around in the chop, the foil feels none.
I havent done any powder skiing but yes, I think the sensation could be similar


that 3 rd dimension is a term used a lot to explain powder skiing to people.must be really good fun

Bnaccas
VIC, 1722 posts
22 Sep 2009 12:29AM
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I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!

hilly
WA, 7322 posts
21 Sep 2009 10:43PM
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These guys seem to have it sussed.

rogerthecat
188 posts
22 Sep 2009 4:18AM
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This vid of Laird has been around a while but does explain some of the whys and wherefores:

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
22 Sep 2009 8:07AM
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I am working on powered support for our Bombie adventures right now.

The next time it breaks down here we will be ready to cut it up safely!

People under estimate what can go wrong and how badly, it only takes seconds.

I learned a lesson last week, but it was a great lesson.

As Laird says preparation is everything.

By winter next year we will have everything we need in place to have some serious FUN FUN FUN.

Phill.


Bnaccas said...

I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!


LSD
VIC, 763 posts
22 Sep 2009 8:52AM
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Bnaccas said...

I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!


Hey Brendon, when I have a new one going I'll give you a buz.
The thing with foiling is the densty of the water, far higher than powder. Flying in it, as you could imagine, if you suddenly take the weight off the front foot & lean back when going quick.......the foil will literaly blast out of the water skyward. (thats what the guy did in 1 of my shots) It's one of the easyest tricks to do on them because thats what they naturaly want to do. Your continualy keeping or pushing with the front leg, the foil at least 6" under, or the funs over...very smartly. The speeds required are quite low, so the "go downs" are not real hard
And the speed required to fly is proportional to the wing loading, or foil area/body weight, (so phils foil will need to be larger & yours smaller or tow at the appropriate speed to generate the lift needed)
If you watch video you will notice the front leg bent compensating & balancing the "lift" as its being generated by the blades speed through the water & angle of attack.
Riding waves is done the same as a dolphin, flying "IN" a wave in the right position of the pressure gradient, its really amazing when you use this power of an unbroken wave for the first time, in a very different way than your've been used to doing for many years of "sliding down a wet wall" due to gravity. Your now sliding down an under water pressure wave, as the dolphins love to do in front of a ship.
(I've even had them doing it under my standup board while I've been riding a wave)
An example of what can be surfed...a pair of slalom sailboard fins stuck together. The anhedral or tips down, is so they dont ventilate when leaning over to turn....the last thing you want is a tip comming too close to the surface



so whats your next project hey Brendon...LOL

a pair of old sub fins will do......anything that will float for a board, a foiled shaft, a moldy pair of snow board bindings that need a wash....& your mates jet ski...its a heap of fun
I even had one bolted to a sailboard once.....sail powered

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
22 Sep 2009 9:15PM
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Bnaccas said...

I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!


gee i missed not going to japan this year, that place has most insane powder, seems like ever 3 rd day is epic

jed
NSW, 188 posts
23 Sep 2009 12:22PM
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lacey said...

Bnaccas said...

I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!


gee i missed not going to japan this year, that place has most insane powder, seems like ever 3 rd day is epic


ssshhhh... do not speak of Japan powder, too many people there already..... lace you would love the head monster 88s i am buying this week for strawberry fields in feb, almost as good as picking up a dale 8'10"

Gorgo
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23 Sep 2009 2:21PM
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laceys lane
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23 Sep 2009 5:15PM
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jed said...

lacey said...

Bnaccas said...

I would be super keen to have a go. My mates jetski would be perfect. I can picture the crashes and you would hit the water really hard and fast.

I got 160cm+ of powder in Hakuba Japan a couple years ago and I would imagine it would feel very similar. As you slow down to a speed the foil or snowboard can't maintain lift and you would slowly start to sink.

I'd rather sink and be swimming in water rather than neck deep powder though (near impossible)!


gee i missed not going to japan this year, that place has most insane powder, seems like ever 3 rd day is epic


ssshhhh... do not speak of Japan powder, too many people there already..... lace you would love the head monster 88s i am buying this week for strawberry fields in feb, almost as good as picking up a dale 8'10"




mate sounds good, i've got the red and black mojo 90's. blueberry fields is a nice , was semi secret



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