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Quad Less 50%

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Created by Piros > 9 months ago, 8 Apr 2010
Piros
QLD, 7062 posts
8 Apr 2010 9:25PM
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Got to spend some time with the Ivan Van Vuuren & the Coreban crew at the Noosa Surf Festival and we did a trip to Double Island Point and these guys were riding there boards as twin fins moving the front set back to the rear boxes and they were ripping.When I got home I tried a set of Rastas "Sea Sheperds" in my 8-10.

My board is alot narrower in the tail so I put the "Sea Sheperds" in my front boxes......how did it go? I am a pronounced Quad freak these fins have a big concave on the inside and the base is very long almost overlapping my rear boxes this gives amazing grip not quiet as much drive as the quad but the board just hook turns on dime and pulls the board over on it's rail letting you really drive off the bottom turn and back around on the cut back. I surfed Straddie all Easter shoulder to shoulder with the short board riders getting full on stand up pits.

The board stuck like sh!t to blanket on the steepest drops and I got the best stand up shacks I ever had faaaaarking insane try the twin set up you'll be impressed.

Rob




62mac
WA, 24860 posts
8 Apr 2010 7:44PM
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Piros said...

Got to spend some time with the Ivan Van Vuuren & the Coreban crew





What a great shot

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
8 Apr 2010 11:45PM
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I think Adam Snow tried this on his 7'8 a few months ago and loved it too.

The Sea Sheppard fins look radical we have be trialing MR TXs and they rock , almost the size of an old twinny side fin. Huge drive and stability but we combine them with a cutaway center. Maybe we should chuck out the center fin.

Something else to try.

Phill

Piros
QLD, 7062 posts
9 Apr 2010 8:08AM
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Yeah Phill give it a go as just a twiny ...surprising results.

Mac we ended up calling that Ivan's forehand layback he normally follows that with a big cutback.

Rob

Clarky
QLD, 290 posts
9 Apr 2010 8:48AM
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Riding my 8'11 as a twin fin at the moment due to a busted front fin box and in the bigger surf I absolutely love it. No probs sliding out on the face of a big one and it seems to have more speed getting around critical sections. However in small surf it doesn't turn as free as the quad set up.

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
9 Apr 2010 9:07AM
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OG SUP said...

I think Adam Snow tried this on his 7'8 a few months ago and loved it too.

The Sea Sheppard fins look radical we have be trialing MR TXs and they rock , almost the size of an old twinny side fin. Huge drive and stability but we combine them with a cutaway center. Maybe we should chuck out the center fin.

Something else to try.

Phill


I use the MR's as side fins in a thruster set up. Back fin is hand foiled and about 1/2 an inch bigger than the fronts. I tried all fins I owned and to get the drive I was used to needed a pretty big fin set up. Turning is not an issue if you have speed.

tha dogman
NSW, 2912 posts
9 Apr 2010 9:48AM
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62mac said...

Piros said...

Got to spend some time with the Ivan Van Vuuren & the Coreban crew





What a great shot


i've gotta say that one of the best moments of noosa for me was being in a heat with ivan and paddling back out through the lineup and watching him take the drop on a screamer n pull a line off the bottom and then with his rubber legs contort into that position and line up the barrel (luckly for me he got nailed down the line)

after watching every vid i could find of him over the last few years it was sooooo good to met the legend and have a few laughs and coooeee!!!! each other into a few epic waves

watching him in the water was amazing

it was nearly as big a moment as meeting DJ for the first time

DJ where the hell were you dude

no excusses next year

Kagey
569 posts
9 Apr 2010 7:56AM
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So would riding a board with twin fins in small waves not work? Would the board not turn as well? Also is the drive with a twin set up better than a thruster set up?

Piros
QLD, 7062 posts
9 Apr 2010 10:08AM
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Kagey said...

So would riding a board with twin fins in small waves not work? Would the board not turn as well? Also is the drive with a twin set up better than a thruster set up?


For my set up the twin is best overall even in small stuff , I can't try mine as a thruster so can't answer that one.

I'm going to block off the rear boxes this weekend to reduce drag , I'll be leaving mine as Twin.

Rob

bjhjames
QLD, 177 posts
9 Apr 2010 10:41AM
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I bought the Rasta keels a few months ago and tried them on my JL Mano 9.

Only had quick two surfs in small waves, picked up some slide, held in fine, but really missed the drive, to me the board felt very slow and vague, particularly off the first bottom turn, so took them out.

Would it be that they work better in place of a quad setup then thruster?

Will have to try them again if those who know more than me say they are fun.

Cheers

MIKO
QLD, 408 posts
9 Apr 2010 11:51AM
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Hey Rob , Cool photo white coreban board,
Sounds like ya had a ripping good time on the island, what a great wave when its on,
where you nth or sth

On the fins I Have not tried the sea sheperds but have been experimenting with fin placements. The day i tried as a twin, fins in rear only, i near shat myself on the first wave. I Couldnot believe the looseness and the way the board bottom turned, just a quick snap and the thing just rocketed of the bottom, in a hollow headhigh shutting down beachbreak.
Was only making 50 % of waves and getting slammed or flicking out on the rest. Next day took the twinnie out in messy 3 ft beachbreak to see the difference. it just felt like a golfclub with a crap shaft in it, Tired. Came back in and put the other pair back in.

Mick

Kagey
569 posts
9 Apr 2010 11:39AM
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bjhjames said...

I bought the Rasta keels a few months ago and tried them on my JL Mano 9.

Only had quick two surfs in small waves, picked up some slide, held in fine, but really missed the drive, to me the board felt very slow and vague, particularly off the first bottom turn, so took them out.

Would it be that they work better in place of a quad setup then thruster?

Will have to try them again if those who know more than me say they are fun.

Cheers



Hmm getting confused now, I thought that taking a larger centre fin out..or two other fins (quad) would reduce drag? so not sure why the board felt slow? Or was it slow as you missed the drive?

Not that my sub vector is slow (far from it) but i'm keen on experimenting to find out how different or better changing fins around will make the ride? variety is the spice of life..so they say.


What are the benefits of riding as a twin fin? does it just create looseness or does it do more than that?

Piros
QLD, 7062 posts
9 Apr 2010 2:51PM
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Kagey said..
What are the benefits of riding as a twin fin? does it just create looseness or does it do more than that?




The one big stand out feature for me is I'm now getting the board on it's rail which means I turn faster and harder. My rails are really pulled over on a thin tail so thats probably why it's making such a big difference to my board compared to other boards with softer rails.

Rob



CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
9 Apr 2010 3:05PM
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This whole topic is super interesting to me.

As a previous employee of a fin company I have just a couple of fin sets. With every board I get I run through a whole process of dialling in what feels right for me to maximise my own kooky level of surfing.

I usually start with a familiar set of fins and then go up, down and sideways to get to the best feeling.

SAYING all of this though, Piros, you have inspired me to get off the beaten path and try some weird stuff. Thanks mate, FCS have some 3 plug fins similar in Nature to these Rasta fins. I might have to try this out.........

bjhjames
QLD, 177 posts
9 Apr 2010 3:09PM
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It would seem logical that in removing a rear centre fin on thrusters = less drag.. should be faster.
So paid my $160 for some Rasta keel fins as I had read on standupzone about a guy raving about them in JL Mano’s.
I found without the rear fin to pump and lever against definitely less drive & acceleration which creates the speed in the first place.
But intrigued again now so will try them again

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
9 Apr 2010 4:25PM
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maybe speed with regards to fins can be more for more fin area as it is "catching" the energy of the wave, no fin = no or little energy caught, big fin or fins "catch" more energy????/ does this sound right?

Brooko
1672 posts
9 Apr 2010 5:54PM
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Piros good to see your charging stand up pits at Straddy with all the shorties very impressed keep up the good work bro.

I have often thought about trying the Naish 9 6" as a twinnie, stay tuned I will give it a run!

SimonDodd
NSW, 80 posts
10 Apr 2010 5:59AM
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I have been riding my batwing setup as a twinnie with the rasta sea sheperds for a long while now including the noosa comp. As quoted in the feedback i gave the future fin guys 'In small waves it gives the board a controllable looseness with speed'
Anything over 4' I change back to a quad with FF controllers.



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