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Race Training whats the best way to get fit.

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Created by OG SUP > 9 months ago, 20 Dec 2010
OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
20 Dec 2010 8:46AM
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Hey guys I'm interetested in all the different views on how to get fit for paddling races up to 8km long.

Some people say 200 - 400 meter sprints work well as interval work

Others say paddle 10 - 12 kms then the 8km will be a walk i the park.

what are your thoughts?

Also nutrition, before during and after the race?

Regards

Phill

hilly
WA, 7272 posts
20 Dec 2010 6:04AM
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Do heaps of longer paddles weeks out from the race taper down before race to feel fresh. Interval work would be good to mix it up. Training would be tailored to each race eg a 50k distance race would be different to a BOP style event. Cross training running, swimming and cycling cannot hurt.

Carbs before, energy during and protein after to grossly simplify the diet. All with lots of fluid, not beer unfortunately.

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
20 Dec 2010 8:26AM
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keep a detailed log of improvement , do regular testing like 200 , 400 sprints 8k ect.Good way to see if your training is working.When you hit a plateau thats when you change things up.Paddling has lots of isometric movements so do these exercises off water.Probably the most important is intensity and rest , and the nutrition.

oh and stetching , tight muscles fatigue much faster.Ad some breathing work too.

Ok im off to have my coffe and smoke

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
20 Dec 2010 10:21AM
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From Starboard's website, maybe some ideas here...

http://www.star-board-sup.com/2011/news/read.php?post_name=6-paddleboarding-mistakes-avoid

6 Paddleboarding Mistakes To Avoid
OCTOBER 29, 2010 | BY BENTON JONES |
Effort, discipline, motivation, will-power, time, all of these are what you've been burning in training. But what mistakes are costing you results? It's going to be alright.
Getting on your paddleboard is the first step towards achieving results, but it's not the only one. The steps you follow before, during, and after your paddle can be the difference between winning and losing.
Jeff Bell, C.S.C.S. is quoted as saying "Your personal habits, your social life, even which exercises you choose to do can take away from what you're trying to build," Looking towards experts in the field of paddleboarding and physiology we have the right advice to take your paddling to a whole other level.
It's a good time to eradicate these mistakes and get back on your board with a new game plan.


BACK TO BASICS

Paddleboards are really very easy for a beginner to get going on, just grab the paddle and go. The only problem is that there is an ample amount of beginner paddlers that began without proper instruction. Because of this many people picked up some nasty habits from the beginning. Whether they began with dramatically elongated paddle strokes, or leveraging their body in awkward positions on choppy water, or just plain sloppy riding technique. Basic moves such as paddling and dynamic turns will bring you back to the basics that prevent injury during those extremely crucial moments.
Of course you need variation, but don't abandon basic moves in favor of sloppy intermediate style.
Solution: First, go out there with a plan figure out a routine that works for you and crank it up a notch every time you hit the water. Second, grab a friend, grab a camera and record your session and watch for the problem spots. From there you have all the ammunition to bring yourself to the next level.


TOO MUCH, TOO SOON

One of the biggest ways paddlers are burning themselves out during training is too much, too soon. Muscles naturally need 24-48 hours of rest to restore from the stresses placed on them during intense exercise. Bell is quoted as saying that "Engaging in extra activity also makes your body more likely to use any excess calories it has for fuel, and not for rebuilding itself,"
Solution: Restore your muscles where it matters most and take the time necessary to rest up. Can't miss a paddle? During your next session, ease up on the muscles you use most in your extra activity so they have more time to recover.


YOUR POISONOUS PALS SMOKING AND DRINKING

I don't have to give you the laundry list of reasons to not smoke, just type it into Google. But beyond that a lot of people don't realize that this is reducing their muscle mass and capacity for long duration exercises.
Recently Scott Swartzwelder, Ph.D. from Duke University published a report stating "Smoking places carbon monoxide in your system, which prevents your muscles from getting as much oxygen to use for energy, The less oxygen your muscles have to draw from, the less efficient they are at contracting, which can limit their capacity for work."
And then there is always Alcohol it covers your abs with a layer of lard and most certainly interferes with the hormones that play a part in building them. Swartzwelder makes it painfully clear that alcohol messes with more than just your ability to balance in this quote "Drinking alcohol on a regular basis can also keep your testosterone levels lower than usual and decrease muscle mass."
Solution: It's obvious step 1. Quit smoking alread, and no worries, if you get in at least 4 30 minute paddles a week you won't be adding any extra pounds on. These paddles will also boost your positivity and diminish the need to smoke. When possible try out drinking a moderate amount (technically speaking 2 drinks or less a day and no, these do not roll over). This will not harm testosterone levels and can actually improve your cardiovascular health, he says.


STARVING YOURSELF

I know you're trying to look good on the beach but you need to eat straight away after your workout. Basically what's happening is that after a long paddle surf your body is looking to begin converting glucose into glycogen so your muscles can repair themselves and grow. John Ivy, Ph.D., "If you don't eat after exercise, your body breaks down muscle into amino acids to convert into glucose."
Solution: Immediately after a paddle, grab a high-carbohydrate meal (beer)-and don't forget the protein (cheese and jerky). Follow the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, they found that a "four-to-one carbohydrate-to-protein ratio can provide 128 percent greater muscle-glycogen storage than a high-carbohydrate drink alone."


IT'S TIME FOR BED

Why is it that 10 minutes of sleep matters so much more in the morning than that extra rerun of The Wire did the night before? When you don't sleep enough, your muscles don't recover. When you work out and don't have enough sleep the level of intensity is far below what you even realize even though you feel like you're putting in your best effort what this means it that your muscles are not receiving enough stress to grow.
Solution: Stop wrecking your sleep patterns on the weekend, 7 days a week (that includes weekends) keep to your schedule. Avoid caffeine and if your schedule allows no exercise for 4 hours before bedtime.


QUENCH YOUR THIRST

The rule of thumb is about a gram of protein for every 2.2 pounds of body weight. The body in turn builds and repairs muscles and uses the protein for energy, removing the nitrogen component of the molecule and turning it into glucose. This process takes a fair amount of water.
Solution: Drink your 8-10 glasses of water a day and divide your protein out throughout the day. Keep track of it, you're probably drinking less than you think.

Fred Rubble
WA, 96 posts
20 Dec 2010 4:51PM
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Anyone interested in improving their fitness for surfing should check out the website
www.totalsurfingfitness.com
Its surfing based but the training is concentrated on improving those all important core muscles
Good luck

boylos
NSW, 769 posts
20 Dec 2010 9:12PM
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Put Kristi on a plane upto QLD over the school holidays ...... in the hands of the little master Jacko ...... and your'll be fit as bro!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boylos

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
20 Dec 2010 9:41PM
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More Corio Bay Crossings is the answer Phill !!
It's a great little course.
First 100m is a lake... Then the 1 inch ripples start... At 400m, maybe 6 inch ripples. At the 1km mark a massive 1 foot plus, building... But at the 2.5km mark they have slowly built to thigh high runners... Non stop work. A fun option considering the surf is crap when Corio Bay is "on". Even though you already know this Phill !

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
20 Dec 2010 10:04PM
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Simmondo you are the biggest grom,

And yes more Corio runs are in order and a South Channel Fort run dont forget!!!!!

Phill.

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
20 Dec 2010 10:32PM
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Hey Phill,
I'd say doing as many events as possible during the race season is the best way to improve fitness and technique.Hard to match the intensity during competition when compared to training.Paddle similar distance to whatever the upcoming race is.Regular racing keeps the motivation high during training rather than slogging it out for an event a long way off.
Plenty of rest in between for the older crew,time to recover is a good thing and for the younger ones more frequent exercise can be handled.
As for nutrition limit the sugar/fatty foods as much as possible and then take the sports drinks/supplements if required during/after training/racing when the body will absorb them rather than before or when not exercising as I reckon they just go out the other end at these times,

Good Luck.

P.S how's the CD coming along.

Standy Davies
NSW, 56 posts
20 Dec 2010 11:08PM
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Night Before: 6-12 beer's and a Kebab

Race Day
Pancakes and a Coffee

Race
Gatorade/Powerade 2 litres

Finish up with a Meat Pie and few beers

working ok so far, but might have to mix it up before W.A and Hawaii

pmorgan1974
NSW, 1080 posts
20 Dec 2010 11:30PM
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AndySup said...

Night Before: 6-12 beer's and a Kebab

Race Day
Pancakes and a Coffee

Race
Gatorade/Powerade 2 litres

Finish up with a Meat Pie and few beers

working ok so far, but might have to mix it up before W.A and Hawaii



you forgot the couple of cinnamon donuts on the way through...beers and pies a must. Throw down a milo bar for good measure :)

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
20 Dec 2010 10:36PM
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paddle with people that are better and fitter than yourself

that's not too hard where i live

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
20 Dec 2010 8:42PM
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laceys lane said...

paddle with people that are better and fitter than yourself



That's why I dont paddle with you Lacey

62mac
WA, 24860 posts
20 Dec 2010 8:43PM
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boylos said...



Put Kristi on a plane upto QLD over the school holidays ...... in the hands of the little master Jacko ...... and your'll be fit as bro!!!!!!!!!!!!

Boylos




here here

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
20 Dec 2010 11:48PM
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AndySup said...

Night Before: 6-12 beer's and a Kebab

Race Day
Pancakes and a Coffee

Race
Gatorade/Powerade 2 litres

Finish up with a Meat Pie and few beers

working ok so far, but might have to mix it up before W.A and Hawaii



Yer, stop training with "Tha Dogman" , Andy.

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
21 Dec 2010 9:49AM
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camo hosk said...

Hey Phill,
I'd say doing as many events as possible during the race season is the best way to improve fitness and technique.Hard to match the intensity during competition when compared to training.Paddle similar distance to whatever the upcoming race is.Regular racing keeps the motivation high during training rather than slogging it out for an event a long way off.
Plenty of rest in between for the older crew,time to recover is a good thing and for the younger ones more frequent exercise can be handled.
As for nutrition limit the sugar/fatty foods as much as possible and then take the sports drinks/supplements if required during/after training/racing when the body will absorb them rather than before or when not exercising as I reckon they just go out the other end at these times,

Good Luck.

P.S how's the CD coming along.



Ha ha CD is done, I wil send you some images PM me your email please

OG SUP
VIC, 3516 posts
21 Dec 2010 9:51AM
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AndySup said...

Night Before: 6-12 beer's and a Kebab

Race Day
Pancakes and a Coffee

Race
Gatorade/Powerade 2 litres

Finish up with a Meat Pie and few beers

working ok so far, but might have to mix it up before W.A and Hawaii



Kristi laughs at me when I tell her that a surfers breakfast was once an can of coke and a mars bar.

I prefer 2 x 500m V and a large snickers

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
21 Dec 2010 10:52AM
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Ok my 2 cents,

Here is a pic for great body fuel, this is basically my 9 - 5 food & what i need to eat to keep myself getting up at 4:30 every day to train.



Not mention about 4 litres of water i now drink everyday.

And yep to train harder you need to surround yourself with people better then yourself, otherwise you become lazy. It's the truth!

Get up and go paddling even if it feels like the last thing you want to do, if you don't you lose your paddle fitness and heart.

Mix your training up, here is what i do over 7 days,

Monday 4:30 Paddle training until about 6ish with our fitness group. Pretty high intensity to very high.

Tuesday 4:30 Run about 1 billion stairs!! Then go paddling!! It amazing how much you need your legs to be strong and work.

Wednesday, same as monday but more circuit paddle training.

Thursday 4:30 Hill running morning!! This kills me!!! Then go paddling or swimming in the ocean.

Friday, same as monday & wednesday

Saturday 4:30, 2 hours non stop medium intensity distance paddling. Great way to bulid endurance and work on different stroke techs.

Sunday day off but maybe surf or in's / out's.

Repeat all of above everyweek and see if you improve.

Remember you need to paddle with people better then you.

This training changes when Molokai gets closer.
XXX angie

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
21 Dec 2010 12:03PM
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The brown baggy on the left... Is that a big bag of extra strong hash, or raisins ?
Just kidding !! But what is it?

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
21 Dec 2010 11:14AM
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Simondo said...

The brown baggy on the left... Is that a big bag of extra strong hash, or raisins ?
Just kidding !! But what is it?


Prunes LOL

CMC
QLD, 3954 posts
21 Dec 2010 11:16AM
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So good Angie, thanks for posting this.

What an amazing situation there is when there are guys like Jacko, Jamie M, Travis, Peasey, Kelly, Greg Long, shapers and designers like Dale and Mick Dibetta and that's just the well known guys that people here would know all training just to be the best on Currumbin Creek. Then there are the girls like Ang, Sim, Ali, Jen etc etc that are smoking most of the blokes. The best bit is that normal people are welcome to train with them and learn. See if you can join in training with so many elite guys anywhere else........

It reminds me of the Joel Parko, Mick F and Dean Morrison Cooly Kids thing who just wanted to beat each other and then popped out onto the world tour and kicked butt.

Love watching this stuff and having any chance to soak even a 100th of the knowledge to improve myself.

akhawk
WA, 1085 posts
21 Dec 2010 9:53AM
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I joined an outrigging club.
It has improved my paddle technique, encourages you train even when you sometimes don't feel like it, great being involved in team sport, more regular racing than sup.
Highly recommend it.

angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
21 Dec 2010 4:52PM
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CMC said...

So good Angie, thanks for posting this.

What an amazing situation there is when there are guys like Jacko, Jamie M, Travis, Peasey, Kelly, Greg Long, shapers and designers like Dale and Mick Dibetta and that's just the well known guys that people here would know all training just to be the best on Currumbin Creek. Then there are the girls like Ang, Sim, Ali, Jen etc etc that are smoking most of the blokes. The best bit is that normal people are welcome to train with them and learn. See if you can join in training with so many elite guys anywhere else........

It reminds me of the Joel Parko, Mick F and Dean Morrison Cooly Kids thing who just wanted to beat each other and then popped out onto the world tour and kicked butt.

Love watching this stuff and having any chance to soak even a 100th of the knowledge to improve myself.




Yep we are definatly luckly here!

So see ya all at 4:30 in the morning tomorrow.

XX angie

Gorgo
VIC, 4950 posts
22 Dec 2010 12:27PM
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Hi Angie

Sorry but I have to ask, do you think you might be over doing it a bit?

Six hard training days a week with 4:30 am starts every day?

I would be worried about over training and not getting enough sleep to properly recover from the hard days.

Cheers

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
22 Dec 2010 1:31PM
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Gorgo, I think that training schedule is probably about right for the elite. Of course the not quite elite will scale it back !!
4.30 in SE Qld is kind of like 5:30 for the rest of us, as it should be on daylight savings!
Plus some people function well on 5-6hrs sleep, plus we don't know what time is her bedtime!

I was actually wondering if OG SUP was the one planning on getting into a bit of racing! As opposed to asking on behalf of Kristi!

Angie, can you suggest a slightly scaled back training schedule. The pictorial diet was great! No processed food there (other than some very lightly processed tuna, crackers and muesli bar). Thanks.

akhawk
WA, 1085 posts
22 Dec 2010 12:25PM
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Hi Angie,
Do you guys take pre, during, and post training supplements?
Such as carb shots or glucogen for during, protein supplements for recovery etc.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
22 Dec 2010 2:30PM
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Gorgo said...

Hi Angie

Sorry but I have to ask, do you think you might be over doing it a bit?

Six hard training days a week with 4:30 am starts every day?

I would be worried about over training and not getting enough sleep to properly recover from the hard days.

Cheers


it's tough to get out of bed. i'm older than most of those guys and that routine would kill me plus i work as a chippie/builder so during the day i don't get the recovery others paddlers might.

i'm trying for 3 week days of roars sessions. i also do some of my own stuff. if i don't feel up to it i'll miss it.

it's a fine line between gritting your teeth when training hard and just flogging yourself into the ground. even professional athletes and teams struggle to get it right.

train hard, but be smart about your needs

cheers


paul.j
QLD, 3318 posts
22 Dec 2010 3:29PM
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Ang is in bed at 7pm so we still get a good sleep!! there are times when we might not train as hard and focus more on technique and i guess its about knowing your limits. We change things around quite alot just so we never get bored and we keep it fun which is a big thing.

I feel i could train more at times and less at others so it's just about learning what your body wants and can take.

Jacko

Gorgo said...

Hi Angie

Sorry but I have to ask, do you think you might be over doing it a bit?

Six hard training days a week with 4:30 am starts every day?

I would be worried about over training and not getting enough sleep to properly recover from the hard days.

Cheers


angie pangi
QLD, 1779 posts
22 Dec 2010 4:02PM
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akhawk said...

Hi Angie,
Do you guys take pre, during, and post training supplements?
Such as carb shots or glucogen for during, protein supplements for recovery etc.



Hi Guys,

I take a few different supplements. I take a Pre Trainer when i know i'm gonna have a hard session. I always have a good full drink bottle with me while training, with water and electrolite's in it.
After training i take a protein supplement.
I definately don't over train if anything i could and should be doing more. Like jacko said, im in bed super early relaxing and i always get good sleep.
If I miss a training session my body becomes very lazy and I lose energy.
I also always have a good breakfest and dinner!! Very important.

XX angie

tha dogman
NSW, 2912 posts
22 Dec 2010 5:04PM
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camo hosk said...

AndySup said...

Night Before: 6-12 beer's and a Kebab

Race Day
Pancakes and a Coffee

Race
Gatorade/Powerade 2 litres

Finish up with a Meat Pie and few beers

working ok so far, but might have to mix it up before W.A and Hawaii



Yer, stop training with "Tha Dogman" , Andy.


haha

andy you forgot to mention the 10 bucket bongs on the hour every hour

yewwwwwww

teatrea
QLD, 4177 posts
22 Dec 2010 4:09PM
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you just transported me back in time dogmanLucky im more mature now



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